POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[Nuthin' Fancy]

If you want to debate, lets debate FACTS, not BELIEFS

Facts coming from the Trump cult is like asking their dear leader.
The latest............................

www.nbcnews.com · news · us-newsTrump says Mexico's president promised to close the border ...​

19 hours ago · Trump said in a post on Truth Social on Monday that he plans to “charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products” imported into the U.S., framing the proposal as a...

“Just had a wonderful conversation with the new President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo. She has agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border,” he said in a post on Truth Social. “It was a very productive conversation!”

Sheinbaum’s account differed from Trump’s.

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” she said on X. “We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but instead build bridges between government and people.”

 

[Mac1958]

Your OP is worthless , imho .

Above is the nub of it :-
The underlined "thought" resembles English but seems to lack meaning because there is no list of support examples to back up the remarkable claim .

The rest is just personal unsupported generalisations of the mild mannered golfing legend who is Mr Trump .
BUT surrounded by what I call untutored fanatic crap .
By this I mean the ploy of pretending to be fair minded and open to alternatives BUT used just as a pretext and excuse to detail further unsupported generalisations . All harsh and spiteful and either untrue or not really a necessary part of a serious discussion .

If you hoped to craft a simulated mild and reasonable attitude--- so you might be removed from the list of Extremist Lefty Mutants --- it has been a dismal failure .
You are just a sorry loser trying to defend yourself by advancing a conspiracy theory that other people are blind whereas you are not and you are wise .
Crap .
imho naturally .

Yes, I'm accustomed to all the personal attacks and name-calling.

Your input on the actual question would be appreciated, but it's not required.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Facts coming from the Trump cult is like asking their dear leader.
The latest............................

www.nbcnews.com · news · us-newsTrump says Mexico's president promised to close the border ...​

19 hours ago · Trump said in a post on Truth Social on Monday that he plans to “charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products” imported into the U.S., framing the proposal as a...

“Just had a wonderful conversation with the new President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo. She has agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border,” he said in a post on Truth Social. “It was a very productive conversation!”

Sheinbaum’s account differed from Trump’s.

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” she said on X. “We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but instead build bridges between government and people.”

/---/ GOOD. And if Mexico doesn't comply, we raise the tariff to 50%, then 75%, then 100% until they get the message: STOP THE CARAVANS AND FENTANAL.

 

[kyzr]

time.com · 5579161These Presidents Won Electoral College But Not Popular Vote ...​

May 15, 2019 · In some ways, it’s not actually surprising that more attention is being paid to the Electoral College. Two of the last three U.S. Presidents — Donald Trump and George W. Bush —
WTF?

www.nytimes.com · 2024/06/26 · usSupreme Court Rules Public Corruption Law Allows Gifts to ...​

Jun 26, 2024 · The Supreme Court limited the sweep of a federal law on Wednesday aimed at public corruption, ruling that it did not apply to gifts and payments meant to reward actions.
WOW........................

www.vox.com · policy-and-politics · 2016/9/28Donald Trump’s history of corruption: a comprehensive review​

There are the hundreds of accusations that Trump refused to pay contractors and workers what they were owed, which the Wall Street Journal and USA Today compiled this year.

1. There is no "popular vote" when it comes to electing a president, the US Constitution ONLY recognizes the Electoral College. So your claim that the "EC" is "corrupt" is nonsense. The EC is the ONLY Constitutional means to elect a president.

2. So the USSC said that rewards for actions are legal but bribes are not. I'm okay with that. I also prefer no gifts, period, but the Law is the Law.

3. Your VOX link details many of Trump's business dealing and charges corruption, yet if there was corruption he would have been indicted, or sued for damages. The legal system is the legal system. If Trump broke the Law take him to court.

4. Thank you for providing details to explain and detail your post!

 

[kyzr]

McConnell, Denouncing Trump After Voting to Acquit, Says His Hands Were Tied (Published 2021)

The top Senate Republican gave his most damning condemnation of Donald Trump, but said the Senate had no power to convict an ex-president. He had refused to try Mr. Trump while he remained in office.

www.nytimes.com

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1. Not to be lawyerly, but this is what you said in an earlier post.....
"You know it is a fact that republicans who voted to let trump slide on both impeachments later publicly admitted that he was actually guilty, but they didn't convict him for political reasons, don't you?"

2. I don't see a link proving that ALL Republicans who voted not to remove Trump ALL admitted that they didn't convict for political reasons. We all know that there are "Never-Trumpers" who are Republicans, like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, in the Senate Mitch McConnell, Murkowski, and Mitt Romney come to mind. BUT, the linked article says that the Senate has no power to remove an ex-president, so the 2nd Impeachment was moot because Trump lost the election.
The reason Republicans voted NOT to remove Trump was that he was gone anyway. Not a political but a legal rationale'.

 

[sparky]

Does Trump's character and history really matter to you?​

no, they do not

why?

because i lived in a state under the heel of a Dem supermajority pre-election

the damage , and i mean socio-economic unconstitutional if not criminal damage led many of us to vote R, despite who was on the ticket

~S~

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

/---/ GOOD. And if Mexico doesn't comply, we raise the tariff to 50%, then 75%, then 100% until they get the message: STOP THE CARAVANS AND FENTANAL.

Like the lying, orange retard did last time?

abcnews.go.com · Politics · trump-administrationTrump administration overwhelmed by record border crossings ...​

May 8, 2019 · Trump administration overwhelmed by record border crossings, asylum requests . The overwhelming surge is the highest seen in a decade.

www.nbcnews.com · business · economyTrump steel tariffs raised prices, shriveled up demand, led ...​

Oct 9, 2020 · Trump's strategy centered on shielding U.S. steel mills from foreign competition with a 25 percent tariff imposed in March 2018. He also promised to boost steel demand through

​

 

[kyzr]

Facts coming from the Trump cult is like asking their dear leader.
The latest............................

www.nbcnews.com · news · us-newsTrump says Mexico's president promised to close the border ...​

19 hours ago · Trump said in a post on Truth Social on Monday that he plans to “charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products” imported into the U.S., framing the proposal as a...
“Just had a wonderful conversation with the new President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo. She has agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border,” he said in a post on Truth Social. “It was a very productive conversation!”

Sheinbaum’s account differed from Trump’s.
“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” she said on X. “We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but instead build bridges between government and people.”

So Trump spins the conversation as no tariffs if the border is closed by Mexico, and Mexico spins the conversation as we respect human rights and the right of humans to migrate. So we need to see what Mexico does, if they close the border, then no tariffs, if they do NOT close the border, then Trump imposes 25% tariffs. Need to wait and see what Mexico does.

 

[Hollie]

If anyone did 1/10th of what Trump did, they would have been in prison, a long time ago.
Trump's cult doesn't care.
It's a cult.
Just like Charlie Manson and Jim Jones, but dumber.

Hoo boy, the whacked out conspiracy theory loons have arrived.

 

[DonGlock26]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

Another cope poll?

 

[Modern Messiah]

This thread and poll is specifically about his character. I tried to make that clear. Thanks for your input.

And I am trying to make it clear for you. President Trump won in a most monumental fashion. So when a rational person contemplates the results of the 2024 elections, said rational person can only come to a couple different conclusions. Either the majority of the American Electorate doesn't see anything wrong with his character, or they feel it is an inconsequential metric to base their conclusion on. In other words, irrelevant.

 

[bdtex]

Character and accountability do matter. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Hoo boy, the whacked out conspiracy theory loons have arrived.

And their dear leader.

www.independent.co.uk · news · worldMarjorie Taylor Greene doubles down on weather control ...​

Oct 9, 2024 · Marjorie Taylor Greene has doubled down on her debunked claim that the government can control the weather just as millions of Floridians brace for Hurricane Milton.

www.wral.com · story · fact-check-is-governmentFact check: Is government seizing North Carolina lithium ...​

Oct 9, 2024 · Some social media users said people engineered the hurricane to clear land in North Carolina to mine lithium, a metal used to power batteries for electric vehicles,

 

[1srelluc]

.....let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability.

Oh sure, that will get you a rational conversation.

Dem shill OP fails again.

 

[BULLDOG]

Robert Byrd said the same thing about Clinton. You can not expect one side to do what you would not.

link?

 

[Hollie]

And their dear leader.

www.independent.co.uk · news · worldMarjorie Taylor Greene doubles down on weather control ...​

Oct 9, 2024 · Marjorie Taylor Greene has doubled down on her debunked claim that the government can control the weather just as millions of Floridians brace for Hurricane Milton.

www.wral.com · story · fact-check-is-governmentFact check: Is government seizing North Carolina lithium ...​

Oct 9, 2024 · Some social media users said people engineered the hurricane to clear land in North Carolina to mine lithium, a metal used to power batteries for electric vehicles,

Harris dodges question about Biden exit, claims she was honest about his mental acuity

The vice president continues to maintain President Biden has never shown signs of mental decline.

cbsaustin.com

 

[Dekster]

Trump is a feral rich kid, but maybe that is what America needs right now. IDK. As long as he isn't Harris with her crazy-assed tax on "unearned gains" that would quickly devolve into a totally unhinged because we say so tax, I can tolerate him.

 

[j-mac]

If anyone did 1/10th of what Trump did, they would have been in prison, a long time ago.
Trump's cult doesn't care.
It's a cult.
Just like Charlie Manson and Jim Jones, but dumber.

But yet, you couldn’t beat him in an election. He won both the electoral, and the popular vote…So all you have is to call everyone else dumb…sad.

Ever hear the phrase, “if everyone disagrees with me, maybe it’s not them, it’s me”?

 

[Lisa558]

Trump is a feral rich kid, but maybe that is what America needs right now. IDK. As long as he isn't Harris with her crazy-assed tax on "unearned gains" that would quickly devolve into a totally unhinged because we say so tax, I can tolerate him.

Hard to believe she has an undergraduate degree in Economics, isn’t it? Either that reveals that Howard gives out diplomas like candy, or Kamala cheated her way through college.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Like the lying, orange retard did last time?

abcnews.go.com · Politics · trump-administrationTrump administration overwhelmed by record border crossings ...​

May 8, 2019 · Trump administration overwhelmed by record border crossings, asylum requests . The overwhelming surge is the highest seen in a decade.

www.nbcnews.com · business · economyTrump steel tariffs raised prices, shriveled up demand, led ...​

Oct 9, 2020 · Trump's strategy centered on shielding U.S. steel mills from foreign competition with a 25 percent tariff imposed in March 2018. He also promised to boost steel demand through

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/——/ He’s already got Mexico to comply. Trump has learned much from his first term with four years to prepare.