POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[Mac1958]

Your TDS made you a straight up @sshole for years here. Start there, Mac. I notice your backpedal but it's not enough.

I know you didn't mean it to be, that was actually instructive. Thanks.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

 

[SweetSue92]

"The lies told about Trump are massive". That's Option 2. See how easy that was?

Then, instead of deflecting to others, we could have zeroed in on where people draw the line on his character.

That was the point of the thread. That would be a pretty interesting conversation.

It's not an "interesting conversation"; you've been hammering on it for I don't' know how many years.

Mac, you allowed your TDS to make you into an uptight, self-righteous, finger-pointing Puritan.

The way out is to say "I was wrong."

 

[SweetSue92]

I know you didn't mean it to be, that was actually instructive. Thanks.

We know, Mac. You must be a delight in real life, huh? It's never you, never. When anyone tries, it's just them. And it "instructs" you as to how flawed everyone else it.

It's insufferable behavior.

 

[Mac1958]

It's not an "interesting conversation"; you've been hammering on it for I don't' know how many years.

Mac, you allowed your TDS to make you into an uptight, self-righteous, finger-pointing Puritan.

The way out is to say "I was wrong."

Well, I guess I would need to know what you're saying I was wrong about.

 

[kyzr]

Isn't it kinda a really sad statement that 10,000 troops would need sent out to protect the country from a Trump rally?

Actually Trump wanted the troops to protect his rally.

 

[SweetSue92]

I know you didn't mean it to be, that was actually instructive. Thanks.

Mac imagine if I or any poster, for the last 10 years, had been putting up fodder on how Jesus Christ chose Trump for America. And I insist and I know I'm right.

And any counter post "says more about you than it does about me", and just proves that you're in the cult.

That's what you've been doing. For years.

(BTW, I don't have the foggiest idea if the hypothetical is true. But if I were you, I'd insist on it. No arguments brokered, or you're just a cultist)

 

[Mac1958]

Mac imagine if I or any poster, for the last 10 years, had been putting up fodder on how Jesus Christ chose Trump for America. And I insist and I know I'm right.

And any counter post "says more about you than it does about me", and just proves that you're in the cult.

That's what you've been doing. For years.

(BTW, I don't have the foggiest idea if the hypothetical is true. But if I were you, I'd insist on it. No arguments brokered, or you're just a cultist)

Well, it's not what I've been saying, but you're entitled to your perceptions.

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, I guess I would need to know what you're saying I was wrong about.

The MAGA portion of the Right is stuck in this binary doom loop right now, where there are only two choices on everything. A or B, that's it. The Dems, for their faults, look like the adults in the room right now. The country can't continue like this forever.

This is not as MAGA thinks. This is not Good vs. Evil. They've been manipulated to think that way, and they have to get past it.

They're becoming more feral by the day.

If there is some kind of violence, the blood will be on the hands of people like Hannity, Levin, Carlson, and Limbaugh's corpse.

 

[kyzr]

Except that it wasn’t a mistake. It was a plan. We know this now. The FBI had numerous agents among the crowd instigating violence. Protestors were freely allowed in. Nancy used the events that day to her party’s benefit. She refused the NG because she wanted violence.
Do you still call it an insurrection?

I NEVER called it an insurrection, I always call it an FBI setup.

They never caught the guy placing pipe bombs on video. Why not?

 

[Mac1958]

SweetSue92, yes. And?

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, it's not what I've been saying, but you're entitled to your perceptions.

I guess it's not surprising that the Trumpsters don't know about how things are done in Normal World.

Especially when their McSavior wasn't willing to grow up and do it.

Sure. Mindless Trumpsters. Each one. This is a Mindless Trumpster board, Einstein.

That's what makes it so interesting to observe.

If you don't like that, too bad.

And you keep posting to me. That's how relevant I am to mindless Trumpsters.

Too funny.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[Captain Caveman]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

Democracy has happened, and if they're horrified, then if I was you, I wouldn't associate with them.

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, it's not what I've been saying, but you're entitled to your perceptions.

The Trumpsters hold others to much higher standards than they hold themselves and their McJesus.

McJesus has called people scum, animals, evil, and much, much, much more.

But now the snowflakes are in full meltdown. This whole mess has exposed how weak they are.

It's still somehow a little jarring to see Trumpsters using "honesty" as some kind of partisan rhetorical weapon, when the person for whom they have sold their soul is essentially an ongoing hurricane of lies, ridiculous hyperbole and fantasies.

Nothing can be said to them, of course, because they have convinced themselves that he's as honest as the day is long. That he is the model of integrity, virtue and good faith. They do not see a thing. All is well on the honesty front for the GQP.

This is like living in a zombie movie.

 

[SweetSue92]

SweetSue92, yes. And?

Your only way back is, "I'm an ass. I'm sorry. I apologize."

Otherwise, it's all Gaslighting Fail. Honey, we're not stupid. We have the receipts.

 

[Mac1958]

Your only way back is, "I'm an ass. I'm sorry. I apologize."

Otherwise, it's all Gaslighting Fail. Honey, we're not stupid. We have the receipts.

That's silly. Okay, I tried.

 

[August West]

Most of the attacks are made up bullshit by butthurt people. Trump is not racist not does he attack women, his court cases are lies and exaggerated bullshit as well. He has strong opinions and a sense of what he wants done and is not afraid to go after that, this worries the powers that he threatens, and he is A THREAT to the status quo.

The fact that he was fined $2 million dollars for robbing his own charity isn`t bullshit and I don`t vote for convicted felons, ever.

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation

A judge in New York ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation.

apnews.com

 

[Mac1958]

The fact that he was fined $2 million dollars for robbing his own charity isn`t bullshit and I don`t vote for convicted felons, ever.

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation

A judge in New York ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation.

apnews.com

I think that's considered fake news, or a corrupt judge, or something like that.

 

[SweetSue92]

We're weak, we're stupid, we're mindless. We're in a cult. We don't belong in Normal World.

Screw you, Mac. Suffer, apologize or get bent.