POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[Foxfyre]

So you voted (2)?

No I voted other. Of course character is important. I just believe very strongly that leftists malign Trump's character unjustly, maliciously wrongly, unfairly, apply myriad double standards, and sin much more than he has when they do that. I believe how you characterized his character in the OP is very VERY different from the facts in evidence. How you characterized his character in the OP is mostly based on maliciously manufactured 'facts'.

There is no person on Earth who has not engaged in some sort of rhetoric that edited and taken out of its full context or even within its full context that would look terrible on the front page of the newspaper or leading the evening newscast. Trump is no different. But his demonstrated character is pretty darn good and in no way disqualifies him from being President.

 

[Mac1958]

No I voted other. Of course character is important. I just believe very strongly that leftists malign Trump's character unjustly, maliciously wrongly, unfairly, apply myriad double standards, and sin much more than he has when they do that. I believe how you characterized his character in the OP is very VERY different from the facts in evidence.

Then we disagree with the facts in evidence.

As I said, it's my opinion. The approval of others is not required.

 

[kyzr]

I'm not talking about performance. I tried to make this clear.

I'll try one more time with you: Do you believe the criticisms of Trump are accurate and you're willing to overlook them, or are they just dishonesty and lies from his opponents? This isn't that complicated.

Yes it is complicated. This topic is NOT a binary choice as much as you pretend that it is.
1. Being president is 100% about performance. Can you make the next 4-years better than the last 4-years. Yes or no?

2. You need to be clear as to which specific criticisms about Trump you are including. Even then, it probably would NOT be a binary choice.

3. As an example, do you believe that Kamala Harris has the mental capacity to be president? Most of us do not.

4. Another example, do you believe that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden broke Laws selling influence? For instance, when Biden bragged that he withheld the $1b approved loan to Ukraine until Z fired the prosecutor investigating Hunter's cash cow Burisma. After Shokin was fired no further actions against Burisma were taken, so it was in-fact a coverup.

 

[Foxfyre]

Then we disagree with the facts in evidence.

As I said, it's my opinion. The approval of others is not required.

My 'facts in evidence' are unedited and placed in their full context. I think those will the intellectual honesty and integrity to do that will not find a lot of disagreement with me on that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not all powerful men are serial, sexual abusers.

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No, but any in the public like who offend the media are subject to accusations of being serial sexual abusers.

The fact that you use "Access Hollywood" as a serious source of information shows how thin these accusations have been.

 

[Mac1958]

My 'facts in evidence' are unedited and placed in their full context. I think those will the intellectual honesty and integrity to do that will not find a lot of disagreement with me on that.

Yes, I know you believe that.

 

[Mac1958]

Yes it is complicated. This topic is NOT a binary choice as much as you pretend that it is.
1. Being president is 100% about performance. Can you make the next 4-years better than the last 4-years. Yes or no?

2. You need to be clear as to which specific criticisms about Trump you are including. Even then, it probably would NOT be a binary choice.

3. As an example, do you believe that Kamala Harris has the mental capacity to be president? Most of us do not.

4. Another example, do you believe that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden broke Laws selling influence? For instance, when Biden bragged that he withheld the $1b approved loan to Ukraine until Z fired the prosecutor investigating Hunter's cash cow Burisma.

To make this as clear as I can: This thread is about Donald J. Trump's character, and the way it has been characterized. I have seen many Trump supporters say that the negative reports of his character are lies. So I'm asking, again, are you willing to put up with the reported character flaws, or do you believe the reported character flaws are not true?

This is not about Kamala Harris, or Joe Biden, or Hunter Biden, or Burisma or George Soros or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Mickey Mouse.

Please let me know if you need me to simplify this further.

 

[Orangecat]

Trump did an exceptional job last time.
Is he perfect? No.
Am I looking for a POTUS who makes an ideal Valentine’s Day match? No.
I am greatly enjoying the emo angst of the libs as well as that of the disenfranchised old-school repubs/conservatives.
The Stones said it best: You can’t always get what you want…

 

[whitehall]

Funny, I don't recall an "interesting informative conversation" about Biden or Harris.

 

[kyzr]

I know...................
childcare

Trump cannot commit to funding childcare, so he explained that he intends to make the economy better so families have more disposable income instead of the $11,400 hit they took during Biden's disastrous term

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics, Republican analysis finds

Compared with 2021, the typical household must spend an additional $11,434 annually just to maintain their standard of living, analysis shows.

www.cbsnews.com

Americans need an extra $11,400 today just to afford the basics, Republican analysis finds​

Childcare is not a Federal responsibility. Maybe congress will allow/budget a new tax break?

 

[Rawley]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation.

LOL

my Trump-voting friends
my concerns about MAGA
horrified about what's happening
America is in serious danger
MAGA
not worth selling my soul
deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability
autocratic authoritarianism.

LOL Nah no attacks or criticism of any degree. LOL

 

[Mac1958]

LOL

my Trump-voting friends
my concerns about MAGA
horrified about what's happening
America is in serious danger
MAGA
not worth selling my soul
deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability
autocratic authoritarianism.

LOL Nah no attacks or criticism of any degree. LOL

Yes. I began that paragraph with "personally..." and ended it with "That's just my personal opinion". Full disclosure.

Then I asked for yours.

You're not required to give it. You're welcome.

 

[Rawley]

Yes. I began that paragraph with "personally..." and ended it with "That's just my personal opinion". Full disclosure.

Then I asked for yours.

You're not required to give it. You're welcome.

Dude, if you really do hold the positions you claim to hold, you are with 95% of Trump's polices and positions and are hard core deep red MAGA

Everything you divisively mock and deride.

 

[kyzr]

To make this as clear as I can: This thread is about Donald J. Trump's character, and the way it has been characterized. I have seen many Trump supporters say that the negative reports of his character are lies. So I'm asking, again, are you willing to put up with the reported character flaws, or do you believe the reported character flaws are not true?
This is not about Kamala Harris, or Joe Biden, or Hunter Biden, or Burisma or George Soros or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Mickey Mouse.
Please let me know if you need me to simplify this further.

How has Trump's character been characterized and by whom? If you say the MSM, I will say that they have a 93% negative bias to Trump. So his character is misrepresented negatively. So is bias a lie? I say yes, because it is not the Truth.

Harvard Study reveals media bias

Every news outlet in the study was negative more often than positive.

www.studentnewsdaily.com

So if its a binary choice, I say Trump's general character has been misrepresented over and over. Call them lies.

If you want to discuss specific character flaws, that is a different discussion.
Is Trump a narcissist? yes
Does Trump lie? yes
Does Trump exaggerate? yes
Is/was Trump an adulterer? yes

What you need to understand is that we are electing a president, not a pope.
The question isn't just about character, its about ability.
Who do I trust more as president, Trump, Biden, or Kamala? I say Trump. Not just because of Trump, but because of the guardrails that the Trump admin has that the democrat admins do not have, like senators and congressmen.

 

[Mac1958]

How has Trump's character been characterized and by whom? If you say the MSM, I will say that they have a 93% negative bias to Trump. So his character is misrepresented negatively. So is bias a lie? I say yes, because it is not the Truth.

Harvard Study reveals media bias

Every news outlet in the study was negative more often than positive.

www.studentnewsdaily.com

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So if its a binary choice, I say Trump's general character has been misrepresented over and over. Call them lies.

If you want to discuss specific character flaws, that is a different discussion.
Is Trump a narcissist? yes
Does Trump lie? yes
Does Trump exaggerate? yes
Is/was Trump an adulterer? yes

What you need to understand is that we are electing a president, not a pope.
The question isn't just about character, its about ability.
Who do I trust more as president, Trump, Biden, or Kamala? I say Trump.

Got it. I assume you voted (2) then, if you voted? I don't need the whole speech.

 

[kyzr]

Got it. I assume you voted (2) then, if you voted? I don't need the whole speech.

Nope. I voted 3 because its not a simple binary choice.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So, you're a #2.

I voted 3 since he does have some issues just not what the press and the left have claimed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

My contribution to the serious-interesting-informative-conversation is that:

Trump sucks more than anything has ever sucked before. That's why you always see him with his lips in a perfect circle.

/—-/ Libs always turn every argument they lose into some perverted sex act. It’s how they role.

 

[d0gbreath]

/—-/ Libs always turn every argument they lose into some perverted sex act. It’s how they role.

His cute duck lips pose, has always looked like dick lips to me. I guess he's just not very good at it.

 

[Cellblock2429]

His cute duck lips pose, has always looked like dick lips to me. I guess he's just not very good at it.

/——/ d0gbreath is the USMB expert on men’s pursed lips.