Poll for leftists.....Did you pay your FAIR SHARE?

[jc456]

/---/ Don't answer a question with another question. Did you pay more than Amazon who paid $412 million?

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

/---/ Don't answer a question with another question. Did you pay more than Amazon who paid $412 million?

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

/——/ You’re debating a libtard who doesn’t know or care about facts. It’s just bash corporations 24/7

Lol, I'm not a liberal. I do however think that companies should pay what is required. Not a high rate, 21% seems fine and right in line with what the rest of the world pays.

what is required? How do you get to that statement. what is the requirement exactly? point to the document.

What is required is, whatever the current tax rate is, minus general deductions. Right now the corporate tax rate is 21%, so, after a business gets all the deductions they are allowed, then they should pay whatever that left over rate is.

I'm not against low corporate taxes, I'm just saying, if the law says they should pay X, then they should pay X.

 

[jc456]

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

/——/ You’re debating a libtard who doesn’t know or care about facts. It’s just bash corporations 24/7

Lol, I'm not a liberal. I do however think that companies should pay what is required. Not a high rate, 21% seems fine and right in line with what the rest of the world pays.

/----/ Corporate taxes are counterproductive. I'm not talking about sales and use taxes or property tax, I'm talking about a tax on profits. All that does is drive up consumer prices.

I agree that corporate taxes should be different that personal taxes. Corporations are what give people jobs, and help make the products that drive the economy. I agree they should be low, but do you feel they should be non existent? I dont know enough about corporate America to answer that myself.

I can see where you would say that there should be a 0% corporate tax rate, I just dont know if that is feasible. Maybe there should be a flat tax rate, and then the company gets percentage deductions based on the number of people they employ? So, if you're a mega corporation that employs 80,000 people, you get a bigger discount than a company that employs 100 people. Granted, the smaller company would pay the same tax rate as the bigger company, but their tax payment would be much smaller because they bring in less revenue?

In just shooting at the hip here, not sure that would work.

again, we're looking for the definition of fair share. you aren't a lefty, so that would be hard for you to do. it's their definition that counts.

 

[jc456]

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

/——/ You’re debating a libtard who doesn’t know or care about facts. It’s just bash corporations 24/7

Lol, I'm not a liberal. I do however think that companies should pay what is required. Not a high rate, 21% seems fine and right in line with what the rest of the world pays.

what is required? How do you get to that statement. what is the requirement exactly? point to the document.

What is required is, whatever the current tax rate is, minus general deductions. Right now the corporate tax rate is 21%, so, after a business gets all the deductions they are allowed, then they should pay whatever that left over rate is.

I'm not against low corporate taxes, I'm just saying, if the law says they should pay X, then they should pay X.

and it is information you will never have. so stop trying to calculate that to which you have no information on. nor their requirement.

 

[ThisIsMe]

And individual taxes drive down consumer spending .

Fact is that military whiz jets and fema payments to red states cost money . The country can’t run on smiles and sunshine.

Welfare is what costs the most money. Let's get rid of that.

No it's a drop in the bucket I hear. You mean welfare for poor people? It's nothing. Corporate welfare is where the most waste is.

Corporate welfare is trivial. Welfare for the under-performing is about $1.2 trillion per year. That's if you don't count Social Security and Medicare.

different pool of money.

It all goes into the same pool and comes out of that same pool.

I dont think SS should be labeled as an entitlement program, or welfare. People have paid into the SS fund all of their lives, with the expectation that they would draw out of it upon retirement. To me, that is not a welfare program.

Of course, it may turn out to be a big scam, if the government ever just digs their hands into it and wipes it out...

 

[sealybobo]

On income over ten million go ahead and tax me. It puts a cap on greed

How is keeping what you've earned "greed?" Wouldn't wanting what others have earned fit the definition better?

We've had this conversation a million times. Call it greed and ignorance of your surroundings.

I can't explain it over and over to you. Put it this way. When you were still living in your fathers balls we had a progressive system. We agreed that system worked best and it worked for you because here you are rich. You made it in that progressive system.

But NOW you want to do what we decided a long time ago wouldn't work, isn't right and isn't fair.

That's why. Because a flat tax won't work. If it won't work it's not fair. Stop it.

I never agreed to it, moron. No amount of demagoging will get you around that irrefutable fact. I couldn't give a flying **** what some corrupt politicians decided 100 years ago. None of you socialist douchebags have ever come up with a good argument as to why anyone is obligated to pay a bigger percentage of their income to the government simply because they have earned more.

Are you a part of the government? Then no you did not agree. Your politician did. Or enough politicians decided to where your politician lost the debate.

Now since Reagan the rich are fighting back and winning big time. And you wonder why the middle class has struggled ever since Reagan?

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

This is what the rich have been doing to us stupid

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

ROFL! I don't buy into the leftwing theory that some politician can decide for me. That's utter democratic theory horseshit. Can he sign a mortgage for you? No judge would allow that. Stalin would endorse your theory of "consent"

Bottom line: I didn't agree.

What does Reagan have to do with this? When you're losing an argument, do you always reach into some bag of talking points and pull out a random selection?

You don't get to disagree stupid. If your politician votes to raise taxes it doesn't matter if you agree. Our governor might raise the gas tax to pay for roads. I don't agree. So what? Who the **** are you/am I?

 

[sealybobo]

Welfare is what costs the most money. Let's get rid of that.

No it's a drop in the bucket I hear. You mean welfare for poor people? It's nothing. Corporate welfare is where the most waste is.

Corporate welfare is trivial. Welfare for the under-performing is about $1.2 trillion per year. That's if you don't count Social Security and Medicare.

different pool of money.

It all goes into the same pool and comes out of that same pool.

I dont think SS should be labeled as an entitlement program, or welfare. People have paid into the SS fund all of their lives, with the expectation that they would draw out of it upon retirement. To me, that is not a welfare program.

Of course, it may turn out to be a big scam, if the government ever just digs their hands into it and wipes it out...

That could happen to your 401K if the rich ever digs their hands into it and wipes it out.

 

[bripat9643]

How is keeping what you've earned "greed?" Wouldn't wanting what others have earned fit the definition better?

We've had this conversation a million times. Call it greed and ignorance of your surroundings.

I can't explain it over and over to you. Put it this way. When you were still living in your fathers balls we had a progressive system. We agreed that system worked best and it worked for you because here you are rich. You made it in that progressive system.

But NOW you want to do what we decided a long time ago wouldn't work, isn't right and isn't fair.

That's why. Because a flat tax won't work. If it won't work it's not fair. Stop it.

I never agreed to it, moron. No amount of demagoging will get you around that irrefutable fact. I couldn't give a flying **** what some corrupt politicians decided 100 years ago. None of you socialist douchebags have ever come up with a good argument as to why anyone is obligated to pay a bigger percentage of their income to the government simply because they have earned more.

Are you a part of the government? Then no you did not agree. Your politician did. Or enough politicians decided to where your politician lost the debate.

Now since Reagan the rich are fighting back and winning big time. And you wonder why the middle class has struggled ever since Reagan?

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

This is what the rich have been doing to us stupid

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

ROFL! I don't buy into the leftwing theory that some politician can decide for me. That's utter democratic theory horseshit. Can he sign a mortgage for you? No judge would allow that. Stalin would endorse your theory of "consent"

Bottom line: I didn't agree.

What does Reagan have to do with this? When you're losing an argument, do you always reach into some bag of talking points and pull out a random selection?

You don't get to disagree stupid. If your politician votes to raise taxes it doesn't matter if you agree. Our governor might raise the gas tax to pay for roads. I don't agree. So what? Who the **** are you/am I?

It's true that the government doesn't care whether I consent. That doesn't alter the fact that I didn't consent.

It also doesn't matter to the rapist if his victim agrees to it. If she doesn't agree, then it's rape. That's all there is to it.

 

[jc456]

We've had this conversation a million times. Call it greed and ignorance of your surroundings.

I can't explain it over and over to you. Put it this way. When you were still living in your fathers balls we had a progressive system. We agreed that system worked best and it worked for you because here you are rich. You made it in that progressive system.

But NOW you want to do what we decided a long time ago wouldn't work, isn't right and isn't fair.

That's why. Because a flat tax won't work. If it won't work it's not fair. Stop it.

I never agreed to it, moron. No amount of demagoging will get you around that irrefutable fact. I couldn't give a flying **** what some corrupt politicians decided 100 years ago. None of you socialist douchebags have ever come up with a good argument as to why anyone is obligated to pay a bigger percentage of their income to the government simply because they have earned more.

Are you a part of the government? Then no you did not agree. Your politician did. Or enough politicians decided to where your politician lost the debate.

Now since Reagan the rich are fighting back and winning big time. And you wonder why the middle class has struggled ever since Reagan?

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

This is what the rich have been doing to us stupid

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

ROFL! I don't buy into the leftwing theory that some politician can decide for me. That's utter democratic theory horseshit. Can he sign a mortgage for you? No judge would allow that. Stalin would endorse your theory of "consent"

Bottom line: I didn't agree.

What does Reagan have to do with this? When you're losing an argument, do you always reach into some bag of talking points and pull out a random selection?

You don't get to disagree stupid. If your politician votes to raise taxes it doesn't matter if you agree. Our governor might raise the gas tax to pay for roads. I don't agree. So what? Who the **** are you/am I?

It's true that the government doesn't care whether I consent. That doesn't alter the fact that I didn't consent.

It also doesn't matter to the rapist if his victim agrees to it. If she doesn't agree, then it's rape. That's all there is to it.

 

[gallantwarrior]

/---/ Don't answer a question with another question. Did you pay more than Amazon who paid $412 million?

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

well there is quite a lot that comes out of that revenue, like expenses, what they buy and what they pay out for benfits. it's amazing how fking everyone knows shit about our tax system. fking amazing. fk the fact they paid 412 million and you and I pay 10 thousand or so. if you took all their money, you don't make a dent. fk.

you know you and I get tax credits, we get to take deductions, so is it any different? if you paid 28% against what you made right?

Well we are Americans. Those are businessess . A paper creation allowed by the government.

Why shouldn’t they pay a higher % than your average joe ?

/—-/ Why should they? Why shouldn’t you pay 100% tax?

Because I can’t survive at a 100% rate .

Sure you could because all your needs would be determined and provided by the government. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll enjoy the prosperity of your government mandated, guaranteed income.

 

[gallantwarrior]

/—-/ Why should they? Why shouldn’t you pay 100% tax?

Because I can’t survive at a 100% rate .

/——/ You don’t care if a company can survive. But you can get food stamps and welfare. So you should work hard and pay 100% taxes. Do it for the children.

I never said they should pay 90% . I DO think business should be taxed higher than individuals .

/——/ Then they pass the tax on to the consumers. Duhhhhhh

Not necessarily. They can just take less profit .

Why the hell would anybody want to establish and run a business when the government would confiscate any profits in order to redistribute them to others who have not earned them? Pretty soon, your parasites would overload and kill the host, then where would you be?

 

[ThisIsMe]

I have to admit, it is a valid question. Percentage wise, they are not even close.

Looks like their net revenue for 2018 was 234 billion. If all they paid is 412 million that's like .18 percent. At the 21 percent number, they should have paid almost 50 billion in taxes. Sure. There will be some deductions for payroll and a few other things, but not enough to wipe away 99% of their tax burden.

I agree in that respect. They should pay what they are required to. If 21% is the number then that is what they should pay.

Or did I get my math wrong...?

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

 

[jc456]

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

why do you need to understand? corporate tax law is different. why not leave it at that? not sure your intentions, other than you look foolish.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Because I can’t survive at a 100% rate .

/——/ You don’t care if a company can survive. But you can get food stamps and welfare. So you should work hard and pay 100% taxes. Do it for the children.

I never said they should pay 90% . I DO think business should be taxed higher than individuals .

/——/ Then they pass the tax on to the consumers. Duhhhhhh

Not necessarily. They can just take less profit .

Why the hell would anybody want to establish and run a business when the government would confiscate any profits in order to redistribute them to others who have not earned them? Pretty soon, your parasites would overload and kill the host, then where would you be?

/-----/ "overload and kill the host, then where would you be?["
"Ahhh - you stupid Gringo - we'd just print more money.Problem solved." -AOC

 

[ThisIsMe]

No it's a drop in the bucket I hear. You mean welfare for poor people? It's nothing. Corporate welfare is where the most waste is.

Corporate welfare is trivial. Welfare for the under-performing is about $1.2 trillion per year. That's if you don't count Social Security and Medicare.

different pool of money.

It all goes into the same pool and comes out of that same pool.

I dont think SS should be labeled as an entitlement program, or welfare. People have paid into the SS fund all of their lives, with the expectation that they would draw out of it upon retirement. To me, that is not a welfare program.

Of course, it may turn out to be a big scam, if the government ever just digs their hands into it and wipes it out...

That could happen to your 401K if the rich ever digs their hands into it and wipes it out.

How would the rich get into my 401K?

 

[bripat9643]

234 billion is their gross revenue, moron. Their pretax income was $11 billion. They paid about $1.2 billion in income tax. At the 50% rate they would have paid about $5.5. billion.

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

They tax gross income, not gross revenue. Amazon paid $1.2 billion in federal income taxes last year.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

why do you need to understand? corporate tax law is different. why not leave it at that? not sure your intentions, other than you look foolish.

I guess my intentions are, if a company is required to pay a certain tax rate, according to law, then they should pay that rate, no more, no less. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The numbers I've seen said they paid $412M, which is about 1/4th of what they should have paid. Accounting for certain deductions, it would still be a lot less than required. However, if you've seen that they paid 1.5B, then that would be right in line with what they should have paid.

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

They tax gross income, not gross revenue. Amazon paid $1.2 billion in federal income taxes last year.

Thank you! That's what I was getting at. I looked for amazon taxes paid in 2018 and the number I got back was 412M. That is why I was saying it didnt look right. According to a 10B income, their taxes should have been around 2B. However, with deductions and other things they can write off, 1.2B seems more accurate.

 

[jc456]

you have no idea on what they were supposed to pay. stop that. quit acting like a fking know it all.

I'm just going off of the numbers posted here, and what I looked up, quickly, on the internet.

I don't care. you look foolish. you have no clue and no one in here can give it to you. so please stop it.

Help me understand then. I see pages of articles that say amazon paid no federal taxes in 2018, and even got a 129M rebate. Net profits for the company were 10B.

I know corporate taxes work differently than personal, but, for me, the IRS takes my gross income, gives me a standard deduction (I dont have enough to itemize yet), and they tax me on the remaining gross income. That isnt how it works in the corporate world? They have a gross revenue, they claim certain write offs, and the rest is taxable?

No need to be crass, I'm just trying to understand [emoji4]

why do you need to understand? corporate tax law is different. why not leave it at that? not sure your intentions, other than you look foolish.

I guess my intentions are, if a company is required to pay a certain tax rate, according to law, then they should pay that rate, no more, no less. That's all I'm trying to say.

well you will never find out if they did or didn't. it isn't your business. too fking funny. you almost sound leftist with your desire to know everything about them, like you need to absorb them into your skin and become one. it's fking stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

How is keeping what you've earned "greed?" Wouldn't wanting what others have earned fit the definition better?

We've had this conversation a million times. Call it greed and ignorance of your surroundings.

I can't explain it over and over to you. Put it this way. When you were still living in your fathers balls we had a progressive system. We agreed that system worked best and it worked for you because here you are rich. You made it in that progressive system.

But NOW you want to do what we decided a long time ago wouldn't work, isn't right and isn't fair.

That's why. Because a flat tax won't work. If it won't work it's not fair. Stop it.

I never agreed to it, moron. No amount of demagoging will get you around that irrefutable fact. I couldn't give a flying **** what some corrupt politicians decided 100 years ago. None of you socialist douchebags have ever come up with a good argument as to why anyone is obligated to pay a bigger percentage of their income to the government simply because they have earned more.

Are you a part of the government? Then no you did not agree. Your politician did. Or enough politicians decided to where your politician lost the debate.

Now since Reagan the rich are fighting back and winning big time. And you wonder why the middle class has struggled ever since Reagan?

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

This is what the rich have been doing to us stupid

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

ROFL! I don't buy into the leftwing theory that some politician can decide for me. That's utter democratic theory horseshit. Can he sign a mortgage for you? No judge would allow that. Stalin would endorse your theory of "consent"

Bottom line: I didn't agree.

What does Reagan have to do with this? When you're losing an argument, do you always reach into some bag of talking points and pull out a random selection?

You don't get to disagree stupid. If your politician votes to raise taxes it doesn't matter if you agree. Our governor might raise the gas tax to pay for roads. I don't agree. So what? Who the **** are you/am I?

The rape victim doesn't get to disagree either. That doesn't mean it isn't rape.

What you don't seem to get is that might does not make right. You obviously don't care whether what your government does is moral or not. You're a ******* thug. On that we agree.