Poll: 4 out of 5 Americans don't trust Washington

[JBeukema]

It's people like this who share your obsession:

And just what is this obsession you think I have?

You've anything to support your comparing me to the people (mostly Right wingers) threatening to kill representatives and their children?

 

[boedicca]

You are obsessed with trashing Tea Partiers as being violent extremists.

They're not.

 

[Samson]

Sammy - what type of language do you expect from people who have an OCD driven oral fixation with sweaty male balls?

You're right, again of course: I suppose I just don't run across as many of these folks in the High Plain as I would in The SF Bay Area.

Im so terribly sheltered.

You can read many of their posts here on USMB. They spew the T-Word quite frequently.

And you know exactly why they love the "T-word," don't you........

You need to think of some derogatory term for "Harry Reed [sic]"......ok, that's already funny...

 

[JBeukema]

You are obsessed with trashing Tea Partiers as being violent extremists.

They're not.

Demonstrate this obsession.


Anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes.

 

[Oddball]

That's right, just keep evading

This is why people don't take you seriously.

The one being evasive here is you, with your continual strawmen and non sequitur, the most notable being the limp and stale accusation of "anarchist" toward those who don't by into your collectivist authoritarian ethos.

Just because people don't go along with your brand of collectivist despotism doesn't automatically mean that they want no rules at all.

This is why you're such an easy and nearly universal object of mockery and derision.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

hahahaha! Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow, laughing out loud.

 

[boedicca]

Demonstrate this obsession.


Anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes.

Where is the evidence of rioting, looting, and other acts of violence from the Tea Partiers?

You won't find any. The Left is engaged in a smear campaign to undermine peaceful activism against Big Government.

Tony Blankley nails the strategy very well:

Former President Bill Clinton last week inadvertently demonstrated Karl Marx's shrewd observation, "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." The historical event in question is the attempt to deter by smearing a broad-based, popular, American anti-high-tax, anti-big-central government movement as likely to induce seditious violence against the government.

The historic example of this calumny was Alexander Hamilton's slander against Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's emerging Republican/Democratic Party. The first repetition, as tragedy, was Bill Clinton's attack on the Republican Contract With America rhetoric following the Oklahoma bombing in 1995 - which resulted in deflecting the upward progress of conservatism from the summer of 1995 onward.

The second repetition - this time as farce - occurred last week as, once again, Mr. Clinton went back to his once-trusty playbook and implied that this time, the Tea Party rhetoric might result in political violence.

By coincidence, I have found myself involved in both of Mr. Clinton's attempted repetitions. As Newt Gingrich's press secretary in 1995, I received the calls of reporters asking me to respond to Clinton White House-generated accusations that our Contract with America rhetoric had caused Timothy McVeigh to bomb the Oklahoma City government building. As preposterous as the charge was - advocating constitutional, limited government is inherently nonseditious, nor did we ever call for violence of any sort - the charge had its intended effect and put Mr. Clinton back in the political driver's seat in Washington after the drubbing he took the previous November.

Being a shrewd student of history, Mr. Clinton doubtlessly got the idea from Federalist Hamilton's initially successful effort to tar anti-Federalists Jefferson and Madison's effort to squelch a big federal government from overwhelming American liberty.

(snip)

As Jefferson wryly observed at the time: "An insurrection was announced and proclaimed and armed against, and marched against, but could never be found." Does that sound familiar? Were unrecorded rude words really uttered at the Tea Party event on Capitol Hill last month? No matter. Those who made the claims hoped even the unproved charge would help the government against the Tea Party movement. Don't bet on it.

Back in 1794, after the fact, Hamilton said: "The insurrection will do us a great deal of good and add to the solidity of everything in this country." In fact, as historian Gordon Wood has written, "so much did the rebellion redound to the benefit of the national government that some thought the Federalists were behind the entire uprising."

Eventually, the Federalists fell because, inter alia, the vast public they slandered turned out not to like being lied about by their "betters." So was born - then - the Democratic Party.

(snip)

How closely the Clinton strategy paralleled Hamilton's. Consider the description of Hamilton's method by Jefferson's ally Madison: "The game" Madison explained in a letter, "was to connect the democratic societies [those accused of encouraging the insurrection] with the odium of the insurrection - to connect the Republicans in Congress (Jefferson, Madison, et al.) with those Societies - to put the President ostensibly at the head of the other party, in opposition to both."

And just as some Americans came to suspect the Federalists of provoking that of which they accused Jefferson, I went on to note that accusing your political opponents of causing a murderous tragedy is a dangerous game.

I quoted from a 2001 Associated Press article about McVeigh's execution, which included his own words: "The siege at Waco [ineptly carried out by Mr. Clinton's Justice Department] was the defining event in his [McVeigh's] decision to retaliate against the government with the bombing. ... 'If there would not have been a Waco, I would have put down roots somewhere and not been so unsettled with the fact that my government was a threat to me. Everything that Waco implies was on the forefront of my thoughts. That sort of guided my path for the next couple of years.' " Ouch.

Of course, as I completed my on-air comments, I didn't blame Mr. Clinton for the deaths of more than 160 men, women and children in the Oklahoma City bombing because no one should be blamed for the conduct of a murderous lunatic like McVeigh (even though the evidence is conclusive that McVeigh bombed because of the actions of Clinton's top aides in Waco).

...

BLANKLEY: There Bill Clinton goes again - Washington Times

 

[JBeukema]

I called you a minarchist and a libertine, not an anarchist, you illiterate twit.

Dude has a record of making his minarchist beliefs known on this board.

And WTF is a 'lib', anyway? A Libertine? That would be Dude.

Also, feel free to demonstrate any 'brand of collectivist despotism' I've ever advocated.

You'll have a hard time, given my repeated calls to gut the federal government

 

[JBeukema]

Demonstrate this obsession.


Anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes.

Where is the evidence of rioting, looting, and other acts of violence from the Tea Partiers?http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/20/there-bill-clinton-goes-again/

Nice strawman. Did I say there were looting? Or did I say 'anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes'?

 

[Samson]

Demonstrate this obsession.


Anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes.

Where is the evidence of rioting, looting, and other acts of violence from the Tea Partiers?

You won't find any. The Left is engaged in a smear campaign to undermine peaceful activism against Big Government.

TIMOTHY McVIEGH WAS A REGISTERED MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY!!!

 

[boedicca]

Wow! Proof of that the Living Dead walk amongst us?

Is he a vampire or a zombie?

 

[JenyEliza]

Demonstrate this obsession.


Anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes.

Where is the evidence of rioting, looting, and other acts of violence from the Tea Partiers?

You won't find any. The Left is engaged in a smear campaign to undermine peaceful activism against Big Government.

TIMOTHY McVIEGH WAS A REGISTERED MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY!!!

What a dumbcluck you are.

The Tea Party didn't exist 15 years ago, shitforbrains.

 

[boedicca]

Nice strawman. Did I say there were looting? Or did I say 'anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes'?

So you prejudge people of being capable of violence without any evidence other than the fact that they legally own guns.

Nice.

 

[Samson]

Wow! Proof of that the Living Dead walk amongst us?

Is he a vampire or a zombie?

You probably think Elvis is Dead too......you're just freakin' hopeless....which is really surprising considering you're a so-called Hip Trekkie: SPOCK was dead too ya' know!!!

 

[JBeukema]

Nice strawman. Did I say there were looting? Or did I say 'anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes'?

So you prejudge people of being capable of violence without any evidence other than the fact that they legally own guns.

Nice.

Another strawman


There's a big difference between owning a gun and threatening to use it against those who want children to have health insurance.


We've heard all this rhetoric from the Right before. Those who ignore history...

 

[boedicca]

Wow! Proof of that the Living Dead walk amongst us?

Is he a vampire or a zombie?

You probably think Elvis is Dead too......you're just freakin' hopeless....which is really surprising considering you're a so-called Hip Trekkie: SPOCK was dead too ya' know!!!

Spock was revived by the Genesis Device.

If it was used to revive McVeigh, then what a waste. Twould have been better to terraform Mars so those of us who can't stand the statism on this planet could start over again with a New Frontier.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'll try. Because we have the best form of Government on earth. Our form of government has been the model of other nations for 200 years. Now as all of you government haters out there start your posts laughing at me...


I only ask you which government do you propose we emulate? Name a country

How in your mind does not trusting the government and the ******* politicians who **** it up equate to wanting to install a different form of government?

Swing an a Miss....Strike Three!

Another US Government hater who is unable to name a country that is more trustworthy than ours.

Come on boys! You all hate the US Government.....name a country you want us to be like

Government is nothing but a necessary evil.

Those of you who think government is some benevolent all loving all righteous embodiment of the "good and trustworthy" are naive to the point of being mentally retarded.

Oh and BTW you still haven't answered my question.

 

[Samson]

Nice strawman. Did I say there were looting? Or did I say 'anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes'?

So you prejudge people of being capable of violence without any evidence other than the fact that they legally own guns.

Nice.

Another strawman


There's a big difference between owning a gun and threatening to use it against those who want children to have health insurance.


We've heard all this rhetoric from the Right before. Those who ignore history...

AHHHGGGGG!!! JUST LIKE TIMOTHY McVEIGH!!!

THEY WANNA KEEELLL DA CHEEEEELDRENS!!!!

 

[boedicca]

Nice strawman. Did I say there were looting? Or did I say 'anyone who threatens regularly to vote with a Browning and uses the same rhetoric that has come from violent extremists in the past should be watched with a suspicious eyes'?

So you prejudge people of being capable of violence without any evidence other than the fact that they legally own guns.

Nice.

Another strawman


There's a big difference between owning a gun and threatening to use it against those who want children to have health insurance.


We've heard all this rhetoric from the Right before. Those who ignore history...

Very intellectually disingenuous of you - and right according to the script of the Clinton playbook on this issue.

You can't provide any evidence that Tea Partiers engage in violence - so you spread suspicion and innuendo.

 

[JBeukema]

Government is nothing but a necessary evil.

You condemn all means by which multiple individuals reach an agreement and carry out a course of action as evil?

You and your buddies ever decide what pizza to get? That's s a Democracy- a system of governance.

Those of you who think government is some benevolent all loving all righteous embodiment of the "good and trustworthy" are naive to the point of being mentally retarded.

And those who think it's necessarily the devil on Earth are a bunch of idiots.