Police state national ID card tucked in immigration bill

[Moonglow]

I'll say...

If you're telling me thst the Government follows all thst money, why aren't I being investigated or stopped? Im a gun owner. I work in a regulated industry thst requires background checks. I hold extreme political views and have been researched by the FBI in the past. Shouldn't I be on the top of the list of people to be questioned?

can't change my quote...not without taking out the arrow,,,,a mod will freak if they see that...

 

[Anathema]

can't change my quote...not without taking out the arrow,,,,a mod will freak if they see that...

No useful response to my comment, I see.

 

[Moonglow]

can't change my quote...not without taking out the arrow,,,,a mod will freak if they see that...

No useful response to my comment, I see.

Yeah, I think you are a liar at all times..

 

[Anathema]

Yeah, I think you are a liar at all times..

Yet you feel it necessary to respond to my posts. Hmm...

 

[Montrovant]

Wait a minute, it appears you are talking about American's in the beginning, but then you end in deportation at the end ? So which do you require to have this ID, the temps or the American's ?? If only one ID is required of the temps to identify them, then they having any other form of ID does them no good. The only thing missing from the current system is enforcement on employers who had been working these immigrants by way of allowing them to use stolen or fake ID's. These employers knew who was here illegally, and they in the interest of their own bottom lines ignored the problem. Now we have to pay for the problems by changing our system as if it was our fault ?? Pathetic.

The ID woild be issued to US Citizens. Failure to have it on your person and/or to present it to ANY LEO on demand would be considered as not having the national ID.

Anyone not having a national ID who is found to be involved in any criminal activity, from jaywalking to murder would be immediately and permanently expelled from the country.

You wanna play thst "I don't have my ID" of the "I don't have to show you my ID" game with the cops - go directly to GTFO of this country. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200 (or any personal property left behind.)

Left your ID at home? Deported!

 

[Montrovant]

The proposed CITIZEN ID card eh ? Doesn't sound like something to control illegal immigration to me,[...]

Right now the immigration officials have a major problem with fake ID. All sorts of fake documents are available to illegals and the quality is so high it's virtually impossible to detect: Birth certificates. Baptismal certificates. Military discharge. School diplomas. Driver licenses, Passports -- you name it.

If ICE pulls a raid on a factory where dozens of illegals are employed they all have fake ID. The employers know it's fake and they couldn't care less. As long as the illegals have the papers the employer can't be charged for hiring them. I've read that some of these employers actually steer illegals to the source of the documents. But the Biometric ID Card will put an abrupt end to the hiring of illegals once and for all.

The Citizen ID Card will have a major impact on the problem of illegal immigration.

It will also impact identity theft

. Wouldn't have to worry about that if only one form of identity is excepted by the feds from the immigrants who are here temporarily. Illegals without ID's are deported. Simple. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent anything that has been put in place over the years in which American's have made use of over the very long periods in which we had perfected these things.

Why do we need to carry half a dozen types of identification ?

Just carry one that can be used for any application anywhere in the country

Are you planning to nationalize all industries that you’re talking about?

 

[Anathema]

Left your ID at home? Deported!

Yep. If you can't PROVE who you are, we assume you don' belong here.

I don't normally get up in the morning without having my wallet/ID on me. Even if I don't intend to leave the house all day.

 

[Montrovant]

Left your ID at home? Deported!

Yep. If you can't PROVE who you are, we assume you don' belong here.

I don't normally get up in the morning without having my wallet/ID on me. Even if I don't intend to leave the house all day.

You are such a caricature.

 

[Anathema]

You are such a caricature.

In some ways, yes. However, caricatures and stereotypes are built on the fact thst there are or were many people who actually embodied those certain traits. Thst makes me more of a throwback thsn a caricature.

 

[danielpalos]

all foreigners in the US should have a federal id because they are a federal responsibility.

Why not everyone?

What are you afraid of?

with a federal ID, States no longer have to consider foreigners as Citizens under our State Constitution.

Makes no difference

yes, it does.

ID is still ID

Having a national ID tied to biometrics makes it almost impossible to steal your identity

States have their own id.

 

[rightwinger]

The proposed CITIZEN ID card eh ? Doesn't sound like something to control illegal immigration to me,[...]

Right now the immigration officials have a major problem with fake ID. All sorts of fake documents are available to illegals and the quality is so high it's virtually impossible to detect: Birth certificates. Baptismal certificates. Military discharge. School diplomas. Driver licenses, Passports -- you name it.

If ICE pulls a raid on a factory where dozens of illegals are employed they all have fake ID. The employers know it's fake and they couldn't care less. As long as the illegals have the papers the employer can't be charged for hiring them. I've read that some of these employers actually steer illegals to the source of the documents. But the Biometric ID Card will put an abrupt end to the hiring of illegals once and for all.

The Citizen ID Card will have a major impact on the problem of illegal immigration.

It will also impact identity theft

. Wouldn't have to worry about that if only one form of identity is excepted by the feds from the immigrants who are here temporarily. Illegals without ID's are deported. Simple. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent anything that has been put in place over the years in which American's have made use of over the very long periods in which we had perfected these things.

Why do we need to carry half a dozen types of identification ?

Just carry one that can be used for any application anywhere in the country

Are you planning to nationalize all industries that you’re talking about?

You don't nationalize anything. Just provide a solid ID

Your credit card number will be stored in the system. When you go to a store, you will insert your ID and maybe a thumbprint or facial scan. Their computer will show that you have an account with them or VISA

Same with your healthcare card

 

[rightwinger]

Why not everyone?

What are you afraid of?

with a federal ID, States no longer have to consider foreigners as Citizens under our State Constitution.

Makes no difference

yes, it does.

ID is still ID

Having a national ID tied to biometrics makes it almost impossible to steal your identity

States have their own id.

And when you travel between states?
Why not one size fits all?

 

[danielpalos]

with a federal ID, States no longer have to consider foreigners as Citizens under our State Constitution.

Makes no difference

yes, it does.

ID is still ID

Having a national ID tied to biometrics makes it almost impossible to steal your identity

States have their own id.

And when you travel between states?
Why not one size fits all?

Doesn't matter for citizens in the several States, within the free trade area known as the United States.

 

[rightwinger]

Makes no difference

yes, it does.

ID is still ID

Having a national ID tied to biometrics makes it almost impossible to steal your identity

States have their own id.

And when you travel between states?
Why not one size fits all?

Doesn't matter for citizens in the several States, within the free trade area known as the United States.

It is a matter of record keeping

Do we need 50 different data bases or just one?

 

[beagle9]

Thanks to 9/11 and the war on drugs every financial institution gives the US govt. you info when you get an account....

But not daily balances, income and payment info, or other transactions UNLESS you do something stupid like withdraw $10,000 in cash at one time.

. Shouldn't be none of their business if an American does that. As long as it's your money, you should be able to draw it out in quarters if you want to.

 

[Montrovant]

You are such a caricature.

In some ways, yes. However, caricatures and stereotypes are built on the fact thst there are or were many people who actually embodied those certain traits. Thst makes me more of a throwback thsn a caricature.

Fair enough.

 

[Montrovant]

Right now the immigration officials have a major problem with fake ID. All sorts of fake documents are available to illegals and the quality is so high it's virtually impossible to detect: Birth certificates. Baptismal certificates. Military discharge. School diplomas. Driver licenses, Passports -- you name it.

If ICE pulls a raid on a factory where dozens of illegals are employed they all have fake ID. The employers know it's fake and they couldn't care less. As long as the illegals have the papers the employer can't be charged for hiring them. I've read that some of these employers actually steer illegals to the source of the documents. But the Biometric ID Card will put an abrupt end to the hiring of illegals once and for all.

The Citizen ID Card will have a major impact on the problem of illegal immigration.

It will also impact identity theft

. Wouldn't have to worry about that if only one form of identity is excepted by the feds from the immigrants who are here temporarily. Illegals without ID's are deported. Simple. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent anything that has been put in place over the years in which American's have made use of over the very long periods in which we had perfected these things.

Why do we need to carry half a dozen types of identification ?

Just carry one that can be used for any application anywhere in the country

Are you planning to nationalize all industries that you’re talking about?

You don't nationalize anything. Just provide a solid ID

Your credit card number will be stored in the system. When you go to a store, you will insert your ID and maybe a thumbprint or facial scan. Their computer will show that you have an account with them or VISA

Same with your healthcare card

What system is each person's credit card number being stored in? Those numbers are part of private companies. Same with health insurance. Unless you nationalize those things, how is all that information being put into one system? Are you planning to force private companies to keep their information in a national government database at the same time you force individual citizens to provide their fingerprints and retinal scans to a national government database?

That's a lot of support for and trust in the federal government.

 

[MikeK]

Why is this a problem over illegal immigration for the American's ?? You are about to be duped is why, and the illegals or immigration issue is the vehicle to be used to get the job done.

Unless you provide some specific information to support such a charge one tends to dismiss what you're saying as casual paranoid rambling.

 

[rightwinger]

It will also impact identity theft

. Wouldn't have to worry about that if only one form of identity is excepted by the feds from the immigrants who are here temporarily. Illegals without ID's are deported. Simple. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent anything that has been put in place over the years in which American's have made use of over the very long periods in which we had perfected these things.

Why do we need to carry half a dozen types of identification ?

Just carry one that can be used for any application anywhere in the country

Are you planning to nationalize all industries that you’re talking about?

You don't nationalize anything. Just provide a solid ID

Your credit card number will be stored in the system. When you go to a store, you will insert your ID and maybe a thumbprint or facial scan. Their computer will show that you have an account with them or VISA

Same with your healthcare card

What system is each person's credit card number being stored in? Those numbers are part of private companies. Same with health insurance. Unless you nationalize those things, how is all that information being put into one system? Are you planning to force private companies to keep their information in a national government database at the same time you force individual citizens to provide their fingerprints and retinal scans to a national government database?

That's a lot of support for and trust in the federal government.

Still would be

The companies would be putting in info and storing records ......just like they do now

Only difference is instead of access being through a 12 digit number and signature, it would be through your biometric ID card

All the card does is verify......this is Montrovant
Then the private company looks up your name/ID and accesses your record

Cops would do the same thing for your drivers license

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'm all for a national ID with fingerprint recognition and a photo, with some caveats...

1. It also acts as a drivers license, firearms license, social security card,voter ID, passport, and any other state or federal license/ID required by law.

2. It would not be attached to any financial, employment, or other private information, including medical insurance.

3. It could only be issued to US Citizens.

4. It would be required to be carried on your person at all times, and could be demanded to be presented to any LEO at any time. Failure to have or present the card would result in immediate deportation.

. Wait a minute, it appears you are talking about American's in the beginning, but then you end in deportation at the end ? So which do you require to have this ID, the temps or the American's ?? If only one ID is required of the temps to identify them, then they having any other form of ID does them no good. The only thing missing from the current system is enforcement on employers who had been working these immigrants by way of allowing them to use stolen or fake ID's. These employers knew who was here illegally, and they in the interest of their own bottom lines ignored the problem. Now we have to pay for the problems by changing our system as if it was our fault ?? Pathetic.

He is rambling while he beats off, as usual.