Polar Ice

[code1211]

Very interesting.

Around march 1st, the Arctic Sea ice Extent curve bent up to almost touch the range of standard deviation for the average 1979 to 2000.

Meanwhile, at the South Pole, Sea Ice is about 90,000 square kilometers above the 30 year average.

Dr. Hansen must, we may assume, be rechecking his figures. Again.

If it's so freakin' hot, where is all this ice coming from?

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure2.png

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure6.png

 

[saveliberty]

The Earth has slowed due to the Chilean quake. A slower Earth has caused the water molecules to slow and become a solid state (ice). Did I mention January was the WARMEST EVER? So says, our warmer friend(s). Interesting how the warm areas are near these poles with the growing ice huh? Will one of you morons trot out some new graph please. They are so entertaining, unreliable, but entertaining.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The Earth has slowed due to the Chilean quake.

Actually, it sped up.

 

[saveliberty]

So much for the warmer bait. Shorter day means faster rotation.

 

[Old Rocks]

Very interesting.

Around march 1st, the Arctic Sea ice Extent curve bent up to almost touch the range of standard deviation for the average 1979 to 2000.

Meanwhile, at the South Pole, Sea Ice is about 90,000 square kilometers above the 30 year average.

Dr. Hansen must, we may assume, be rechecking his figures. Again.

If it's so freakin' hot, where is all this ice coming from?

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure2.png

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure6.png

Yes, very interesting, indeed. The north polar ice is actually touching the bottom of the two standard deviation range for the present date.

It is only 106,000,000 square kilometers below the 30 year average.

In the mean time, the South Polar sea ice is 90,000 square kilometers above average.

So what you are saying is that 90,000 is larger and more significant than 106,000,000? Perhaps you should recheck your logic.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

 

[saveliberty]

Very interesting.

Around march 1st, the Arctic Sea ice Extent curve bent up to almost touch the range of standard deviation for the average 1979 to 2000.

Meanwhile, at the South Pole, Sea Ice is about 90,000 square kilometers above the 30 year average.

Dr. Hansen must, we may assume, be rechecking his figures. Again.

If it's so freakin' hot, where is all this ice coming from?

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure2.png

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure6.png

Yes, very interesting, indeed. The north polar ice is actually touching the bottom of the two standard deviation range for the present date.

It is only 106,000,000 square kilometers below the 30 year average.

In the mean time, the South Polar sea ice is 90,000 square kilometers above average.

So what you are saying is that 90,000 is larger and more significant than 106,000,000? Perhaps you should recheck your logic.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Gee the chart appears to say we are well above the 2006-07 sea ice levels. So if this is the hotest year on record, why the ice EXPANSION? Interesting that the chart uses just a thirty year average. Just how do they figure the areas with 15% sea ice in it? Particularly back in 1979. Is it the same method?

 

[Old Rocks]

They are called satellites, sonny.

 

[saveliberty]

They are called satellites, sonny.

How many satellites from the 80's are collecting climate data? I can see where the older versions of data collectors would have been much less accurate and could have easily overstated the ice masses. Thanks for falling into the trap. My only question is, what took you so long?

 

[rdean]

Climate scientists to fight back at skeptics - Washington Times

"Most of our colleagues don't seem to grasp that we're not in a gentlepersons' debate, we're in a street fight against well-funded, merciless enemies who play by entirely different rules," Paul R. Ehrlich, a Stanford University researcher, said in one of the e-mails.

Some scientists question the tactic and say they should focus instead on perfecting their science, but the researchers who are organizing the effort say the political battle is eroding confidence in their work.

Newsmax - Climate Scientists Plot to Fight Back at Skeptics

In his e-mail, Mr. Woodwell acknowledged that he is advocating taking "an outlandishly aggressively partisan approach" but said scientists have had their "classical reasonableness" turned against them.

"We are dealing with an opposition that is not going to yield to facts or appeals from people who hold themselves in high regard and think their assertions and data are obvious truths," he wrote.

FOXNews.com - Climate Scientists Plan to Hit Back at Skeptics

climate scientists at the National Academy of Sciences say they are tired of "being treated like political pawns" and need to fight back in kind.

 

[code1211]

Very interesting.

Around march 1st, the Arctic Sea ice Extent curve bent up to almost touch the range of standard deviation for the average 1979 to 2000.

Meanwhile, at the South Pole, Sea Ice is about 90,000 square kilometers above the 30 year average.

Dr. Hansen must, we may assume, be rechecking his figures. Again.

If it's so freakin' hot, where is all this ice coming from?

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure2.png

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100303_Figure6.png

Yes, very interesting, indeed. The north polar ice is actually touching the bottom of the two standard deviation range for the present date.

It is only 106,000,000 square kilometers below the 30 year average.

In the mean time, the South Polar sea ice is 90,000 square kilometers above average.

So what you are saying is that 90,000 is larger and more significant than 106,000,000? Perhaps you should recheck your logic.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

I really think it is you that needs to re-check my logic.

What I said was that the South Pole's ice is above average and the North Pole's Ice has grown to almost within the range of standard deviation. The "logic" of the folks claiming iminent disaster is that it is warming and, as a result, the Polar ice will be completely melted in the next 30 or so years.

The ice, ice is so stupid, just can't seem to get on the program.

If it is going to be completely gone in 30 years, it better speed up already. It's current progress is simply glacial.

 

[code1211]

Climate scientists to fight back at skeptics - Washington Times

"Most of our colleagues don't seem to grasp that we're not in a gentlepersons' debate, we're in a street fight against well-funded, merciless enemies who play by entirely different rules," Paul R. Ehrlich, a Stanford University researcher, said in one of the e-mails.

Some scientists question the tactic and say they should focus instead on perfecting their science, but the researchers who are organizing the effort say the political battle is eroding confidence in their work.

Newsmax - Climate Scientists Plot to Fight Back at Skeptics

In his e-mail, Mr. Woodwell acknowledged that he is advocating taking "an outlandishly aggressively partisan approach" but said scientists have had their "classical reasonableness" turned against them.

"We are dealing with an opposition that is not going to yield to facts or appeals from people who hold themselves in high regard and think their assertions and data are obvious truths," he wrote.

FOXNews.com - Climate Scientists Plan to Hit Back at Skeptics

climate scientists at the National Academy of Sciences say they are tired of "being treated like political pawns" and need to fight back in kind.

Hey, R. I do like Anthony Watts' site as it is repleat with data and converstations between people who are both knowledgable and interested in this stuff. They actually run betting pools on what the anamolous deviation from average record of temperature for the next month will be.

As far as i know, they don't bet on next year, so they may have gotten the memo on the end of the world through excessive heating through CO2.

I try to stay away from sites that are clearly agenda driven from either side and prefer sites that present data.

The NSIDC is such a site. The data presented by RSS and UAH are too. GISS, seemingly, collects data only as a basis for the adjustments it must make in order to match it to the deviations shown by RSS and UAH. Curious.

Also, citing actual predictions from Dr. Hansen compared to actual performance of the Climate.

Also citing the actual data from the experts in this infant field of science with regard to what they believe has happened over the past 200 billion years or so.

Taking all of this into account, The need to panic as recomended by the AGW crowd just doesn't seem well founded in rational thought. This need seems driven by some agenda that is not related to the data presented.

Any ideas on why Dr. Hansen's employer, the NASA, has stopped any work in space travel and now only does climate research? Pretty convenient for Dr. Hansen that his hobby has allowed him to continue getting paid under the new mission of the NASA, huh?

Prior to our government's discovery that the planetary climate had a big influence on extra terrestrial events, I wonder why Dr. Hansen was getting paid to check thermometers.

I'm sure it was because he noticed that the Sun's activity picked up every time the Earth warmed. Therefore, warming on the Earth causes the sun to radiate more heat. Brilliant!

 

[Old Rocks]

Very good job, Code. A lie and major peice of idiocy in every sentence.

Watts is a fraud, no degree, and not even certified by the American Meteorlogical Society.

Dr. James Hansen is generally recognized as the leading climatologist in the world, here and abroad.

2008, with the lowest TSI on satellite record ends up as 8th or 10th warmest year on record. Wotts Up With That?

 

[saveliberty]

Manipulating data, changing methodologies when the results don't support you, and just plain greed for research dollars are what brought this science to the level of alchemy.

Old Rocks, did you miss the big release of methane in Siberia?
Methane Leaks off Siberian Coast, Speeding Climate Change: Scientific American

Ocean currents are causing that. Just like ocean currents are causing the shifts in regional heat or cooling.

 

[code1211]

Very good job, Code. A lie and major peice of idiocy in every sentence.

Watts is a fraud, no degree, and not even certified by the American Meteorlogical Society.

Dr. James Hansen is generally recognized as the leading climatologist in the world, here and abroad.

2008, with the lowest TSI on satellite record ends up as 8th or 10th warmest year on record. Wotts Up With That?

Having a degree allows one to brag about a credential, but does not guarentee accuracy in any presentation beyond that. I have one, well, actually three, so you can draw your own conclusion on that.

That Hansen is "generally recognized as the leading climatologist in the world" is a sad statement on the level of that group's expertise.

Another half truth with that TSI tripe? The level of TSI since the Satelite record began has been historically the highest in 700 years. The low you site during the satleite record period would have been a spike in any other time.

Following the principled approach of other AGW Proponents?

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course, when 97% of the people that are in your field agree with you, it usually means that your presentation has been pretty convincing.

A sad statement is that with the three degrees that you claim, you cannot discern what is real science and what is fraud. You have even posted referances to OISM.

 

[Old Rocks]

Manipulating data, changing methodologies when the results don't support you, and just plain greed for research dollars are what brought this science to the level of alchemy.

Old Rocks, did you miss the big release of methane in Siberia?
Methane Leaks off Siberian Coast, Speeding Climate Change: Scientific American

Ocean currents are causing that. Just like ocean currents are causing the shifts in regional heat or cooling.

Calling the men and women of science names when their results do not agree with the way you think things ought to be is the sign of a weak mind unable to face reality.

So, just ocean currents are causing the permafrost in Siberia and North America to outgas? Just ocean currents that have been warmed by an atmosphere that has been warmed because of the GHGs man has put into it.

The Arctic Ocean clathrates are outgassing far ealier than even the most pessimistic 'Alarmist' thought they would. The amount of GHGs being emitted in Siberian and North American permafrost has taken everyone by surprise. The amount of ice lost in the Artic Ocean in the last five years, and the resultant absorption of sunlight, has resulted in a significant increase in the temperature of the water. Which tranlates to a later freeze. Which creates more time to absorb even more heat, which.........

Now as the Arctic clathrates out gass, and the Yedoma does the same, there is a good deall higher amount of CH4 in the atmosphere over the Arctic. It does mix, but for a few months of the summer, the level is far higher than the present 1.8 ppm in the rest of the atmosphere. And, since CH4 is immediately 23 times as effective of a GHG as CO2, that is very significant. For more heat absorbed by the atmosphere there means more CH4 released by the yedoma, which means............

But, of cours, all this is irrelevant, a bunch of people that deny reality on an internet message board state that it is not happening, the Arctic Ice is not going away, the permafrost is not melting, the Inuit are in on the conspiracy to fool all the 'Libruls'.

And all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science of the industrial nations, and all the major universities. And everyone single person that hikes the mountains and notices that the glaciers have receded in a major way in almost all mountain ranges. Then there are those damned lying satellite pictures.

Why yes, ocean currents do cause regional heating and cooling. That is why it is so important to notice that over the past 50 years, the La Ninas have been getting warmer, as have the El Ninos. And the global temperature has been rising quite fast, even in Dr. Spencers graphs.

 

[code1211]

Of course, when 97% of the people that are in your field agree with you, it usually means that your presentation has been pretty convincing.

A sad statement is that with the three degrees that you claim, you cannot discern what is real science and what is fraud. You have even posted referances to OISM.

Okay... I googled oism. I have read other posts about it, but have only been tangently aware of their things. They did that petition, did they not? Another vote to see if the science is correct or not.

Voting on science doesn't provide any proofs. Same as the UN voting on the climate.

Dr. Hansen has not proven his authority by putting up verifiable AND accurate predictions of what the climate will do as a result of the CO2 in the air. That he is revered by 97% of the people in his field means only that they kinow even less than he.

Have any of the AGW proponents made a verifiable and accurate prediction of the climate over the following 30 years? Predicitng more of the same is not a verifiable prediction. That is a statistical forcast.

To Hansen's credit, he analyzed the growth of CO2, he projected 3 scenarios of the possible rates of increase for CO2 and he made 3 climate predictions based on those possible increases. He was wrong in all cases. At least he put it out there.

I predict that no other climate scientist will do this again. That is probably the most accurate climate science prediction you'll get in this decade.

 

[code1211]

Manipulating data, changing methodologies when the results don't support you, and just plain greed for research dollars are what brought this science to the level of alchemy.

Old Rocks, did you miss the big release of methane in Siberia?
Methane Leaks off Siberian Coast, Speeding Climate Change: Scientific American

Ocean currents are causing that. Just like ocean currents are causing the shifts in regional heat or cooling.

Calling the men and women of science names when their results do not agree with the way you think things ought to be is the sign of a weak mind unable to face reality.

So, just ocean currents are causing the permafrost in Siberia and North America to outgas? Just ocean currents that have been warmed by an atmosphere that has been warmed because of the GHGs man has put into it.

The Arctic Ocean clathrates are outgassing far ealier than even the most pessimistic 'Alarmist' thought they would. The amount of GHGs being emitted in Siberian and North American permafrost has taken everyone by surprise. The amount of ice lost in the Artic Ocean in the last five years, and the resultant absorption of sunlight, has resulted in a significant increase in the temperature of the water. Which tranlates to a later freeze. Which creates more time to absorb even more heat, which.........

Now as the Arctic clathrates out gass, and the Yedoma does the same, there is a good deall higher amount of CH4 in the atmosphere over the Arctic. It does mix, but for a few months of the summer, the level is far higher than the present 1.8 ppm in the rest of the atmosphere. And, since CH4 is immediately 23 times as effective of a GHG as CO2, that is very significant. For more heat absorbed by the atmosphere there means more CH4 released by the yedoma, which means............

But, of cours, all this is irrelevant, a bunch of people that deny reality on an internet message board state that it is not happening, the Arctic Ice is not going away, the permafrost is not melting, the Inuit are in on the conspiracy to fool all the 'Libruls'.

And all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science of the industrial nations, and all the major universities. And everyone single person that hikes the mountains and notices that the glaciers have receded in a major way in almost all mountain ranges. Then there are those damned lying satellite pictures.

Why yes, ocean currents do cause regional heating and cooling. That is why it is so important to notice that over the past 50 years, the La Ninas have been getting warmer, as have the El Ninos. And the global temperature has been rising quite fast, even in Dr. Spencers graphs.

You have yet to prove that GHG's emitted by Man ar the cause. Just saying it's so don't make it so.

That no Alarmist was able to make this prediction indicates something. What might it be?

a. They have no clue what is happening.
b. They know exactly what they are talking about, but this outgassing is occurring due a different cause althogether. So, again, they don't know what they are talking about as this is concerned.

 

[saveliberty]

Manipulating data, changing methodologies when the results don't support you, and just plain greed for research dollars are what brought this science to the level of alchemy.

Old Rocks, did you miss the big release of methane in Siberia?
Methane Leaks off Siberian Coast, Speeding Climate Change: Scientific American

Ocean currents are causing that. Just like ocean currents are causing the shifts in regional heat or cooling.

Calling the men and women of science names when their results do not agree with the way you think things ought to be is the sign of a weak mind unable to face reality.

So, just ocean currents are causing the permafrost in Siberia and North America to outgas? Just ocean currents that have been warmed by an atmosphere that has been warmed because of the GHGs man has put into it.

The Arctic Ocean clathrates are outgassing far ealier than even the most pessimistic 'Alarmist' thought they would. The amount of GHGs being emitted in Siberian and North American permafrost has taken everyone by surprise. The amount of ice lost in the Artic Ocean in the last five years, and the resultant absorption of sunlight, has resulted in a significant increase in the temperature of the water. Which tranlates to a later freeze. Which creates more time to absorb even more heat, which.........

Now as the Arctic clathrates out gass, and the Yedoma does the same, there is a good deall higher amount of CH4 in the atmosphere over the Arctic. It does mix, but for a few months of the summer, the level is far higher than the present 1.8 ppm in the rest of the atmosphere. And, since CH4 is immediately 23 times as effective of a GHG as CO2, that is very significant. For more heat absorbed by the atmosphere there means more CH4 released by the yedoma, which means............

But, of cours, all this is irrelevant, a bunch of people that deny reality on an internet message board state that it is not happening, the Arctic Ice is not going away, the permafrost is not melting, the Inuit are in on the conspiracy to fool all the 'Libruls'.

And all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science of the industrial nations, and all the major universities. And everyone single person that hikes the mountains and notices that the glaciers have receded in a major way in almost all mountain ranges. Then there are those damned lying satellite pictures.

Why yes, ocean currents do cause regional heating and cooling. That is why it is so important to notice that over the past 50 years, the La Ninas have been getting warmer, as have the El Ninos. And the global temperature has been rising quite fast, even in Dr. Spencers graphs.

NBC did a piece on the the cold snap in the US and England. They cited ocean currents as the cause and NEVER once mentioned the fabled "global warming" angle. Party over for you faithers. You can go on quoting your faked data from here to eternity Old Rocks. The world is getting smarter to your bogus money grabbers.

 

[boedicca]

The Earth has slowed due to the Chilean quake. A slower Earth has caused the water molecules to slow and become a solid state (ice). Did I mention January was the WARMEST EVER? So says, our warmer friend(s). Interesting how the warm areas are near these poles with the growing ice huh? Will one of you morons trot out some new graph please. They are so entertaining, unreliable, but entertaining.

You are misstating the January "Warmest Ever". It was a measurement of sea surface temperatures. Considering that El Nino is in effect in the Pacific, it is hardly surprising that the oceans are warmer on average.