Palestinians are told all their problems are because of the Jews. They are told this because their leaders are corrupt kleptocrats who benefit personally by keeping their people poor and miserable and scapegoating Jews. Palestinians do not want a two state solution. It would go agaiinst their interests. But the obama administraiton, worst in history, believes Arabs over Jews, or Americans, every single time and takes their side.
Worse than all the horrific stabbing is the news media reporting. "Today a Jew destroyed a Palestinian's property when he soaked his knife in blood...."
Actually, US Media reporting is far more pro-Zionist than the rest of the world, which despises Israel.
Here's the real question- Why would any sane person live next to people who've dedicated themselves to KILLING YOU?
A better question - why is any of this OUR PROBLEM?
JoeB,
These threads start the same and end the same...
First we get a unsupported piece of propaganda from the Israeli Government or an incident of an Israeli getting harmed/killed.
Usual rant from the right how palestinians are all murders and should be wiped.
Then the people who spent more than ten minutes actually getting facts on the region point out that palestinians are the ones under attack (i.e. one side is taking the others land), Israelis are killing at a ratio of about 10 to 1 now, the illegal settlers are breaking international law, Israel are guilty of collective punishment, Palestinians are being forced to live in third world conditions... And generally Israel have a case to answer for ethnic cleansing.
RW replies by saying the bible told them it is theirs and palestinians aren't a real people.
We point out the bible is a contract and while some Jews definitely have lived there for thousands of years. But Jews and Arabs lived there and looked after each other until the others moved in a forcefully removed the Arab population.
RW : But it is in the Bible
We point out that ethnic cleansing is a war crime and there is clear evidence of that here.
RW : But it is in the Bible and then they go for the insults... The usual Jew hater stuff...
The funny thing is everyone knows the solution. It involves the Illegal settlers clearing off and Palestine to get to grips with the extremists (Israeli policy has only made them stronger).
That's certainly a comic book version.
No one is taking Palestinians' land. In fact Israel withdrew from the Gaza entirely, leaving land to the Palestinians. They have of course let it go to ruin because they couldn't build shit if their lives depended on it. But that's irrelevant.
The Palis are not a real people. This is established.
The partition of Palestine divided the area into a Jewish state, Israel, and an Arab state, Jordan. It is Palestinians seeking to take Jewish land.
No need to thank me for setting you striaght here.
To validate your contention that the Gaza was a mess EVEN though...
After all they've received over $32 billion in foreign aid including $5 billion from the USA alone!
In addition to the above.... ISRAEL has GIVEN... To the PA........
(1) In September 2012, with the Palestinian Authority (PA) facing severe financial strain due to a shortfall in international donations and significant overspending, Israel advanced the PA 250 million shekels in tax revenues to aid the Palestinian economy.
Similarly, in July 2012, Israel advanced the PA 180 million shekels to ensure that the salaries of PA employees were paid before the Muslim holiday of Ramadan.
(2) Since the signing of the 1993 Oslo accord, real GDP per capita in the West Bank has increased considerably.
From 1998-2011, these numbers grew from about $1,750 to about $2,000 according to the June 2012 U.S. congressional report U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians.
The report also notes that Gaza experienced a considerable rise in real GDP per capita from 2002-2005 before the Hamas takeover.
(3) In order to reduce the level of Palestinian unemployment, Israel has increased the number of permits for Palestinians to work in Israel - by 40% since February 2011.
(4) Despite the constant barrage of rocket attacks emanating from the Gaza Strip, Israel provides most of the electric supply for both the West Bank and Gaza. Approximately half of Gaza’s electricity is supplied directly from Israel by way of the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC). The remaining supply comes mostly from the Gaza Power Plant (GPP), which is funded not by Hamas but by the Palestinian Authority.
Billions of dollars in international aid is sent to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
Indeed, the PA reportedly spends approximately 40% of its annual budget on Gaza. Thus, much of the billions of dollars in international aid that is provided to the Palestinian Authority is in turn sent to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
Despite owing the Israel Electric Corporation over 662 million shekels, Israel continues to provide electricity to the PA.
This includes supplying electricity to government buildings such as schools, hospitals, and water pumping stations.
(5) Following a March 2012 meeting of the Ad Hoc Liaison Committee (the committee chaired by Norway and co-sponsored by the European Union that serves as the policy coordinating mechanism for development assistance to the Palestinian people), Israel appealed to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to support PA requests for special IMF economic assistance. Israel even attempted to acquire a one billion dollar IMF loan on behalf of the PA, but was turned down because the IMF reportedly did not want to set a precedent of one state taking a loan on behalf of a non-state entity.
(6) In July 2012, Israel’s Minister of Finance, Dr. Yuval Steinitz, and PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, discussed new measures designed to boost the Palestinian economy. These included developing the Gaza Marine gas field which reportedly “could contribute dramatically to Palestinian fiscal sustainability.”
During 2011 and the first half of 2012, Israel closely collaborated with the PA to improve the Palestinian agriculture industry. This included projects to exterminate pests, improve soil quality, and increase international trade of Palestinian agricultural goods.
(7) Despite being governed by Hamas, an international terrorist group dedicated to Israel’s destruction, Israel has established a number of initiatives meant to aid Gaza’s economy. These include provisions to promote the building of essential societal institutions such as schools, hospitals and sanitation centers. Since 2010, these Israeli initiatives have seen Gaza’s real GDP per capita improve considerably.
(8) Israel continues to provide extensive medical care to Palestinians, including those from the Gaza Strip. In 2009 alone, some 10,544 patients and their companions left Gaza for medical treatment inside Israel. Further, Israeli doctors working through the organization Save a Child’s Heart have performed free life-saving heart operations for 2,300 children since 1995, with almost half of these children coming from the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Iraq.
(9) Recently, many Palestinians have voiced a desire to become citizens of Israel, especially in east Jerusalem. According to Hatem Abdel Kader, the Fatah official in charge of the “Jerusalem Portfolio”, this growing trend is a result of the failure of the PA and Arab and Islamic countries to help the Palestinian residents of Jerusalem. As noted by Khaled Abu Toameh of the Gatestone Institute, Abdel Kader “is admitting that Israel is doing more for these Palestinians than the Palestinian leadership and the entire Arab and Islamic countries.”
(10) The PA receives international aid primarily in the form of loans and grants from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), the United Nations Development Program (UNDP), the United States, and Net Official Development Assistance (ODA), which is an amalgamation of aid packages from the nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and other international lending institutions such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF).
International aid to Palestinians far exceeds all Marshall Plan aid for post-WWII Europe.
Since 1996, the West Bank has received over 70,000 loans from the UNRWA alone, amounting to over 100 million dollars, and since 1992 Gaza has received over 98,000 UNRWA loans amounting to over 110 million dollars. To provide context, the amount of international aid provided to the Palestinians, taking inflation into account, far exceeds the Marshall Plan aid designated for rebuilding Europe following the Second World War.
(11) According to the Council on Foreign Relations, Hamas receives its funding primarily from private donors from Arab Gulf States, international Islamic charities such as the Holy Land Foundation (which was shut down in the US in 2001 for funding Hamas, a US-designated foreign terrorist organization), and Iran, that donates approximately 30 million dollars annually. As noted above, Hamas also receives direct funding from the PA.
(12) The United Nations Relief and Works Agency’s (UNRWA) sole focus is the Palestinian population. According to the June 2012 U.S. congressional report, U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians, since its inception in 1950 through 2011, the United States has given the agency over $4 billion dollars and has always been UNWRA’s largest donor. Aggregate contributions from the Muslim world during this time makes up about 15% of the total budget. In 2011, UNWRA’s general fund (ie. core program) budget was $568 million, with the U.S. contribution almost $129 million, about 23% of its budget, with the total 2011 U.S. contribution to UNWRA almost $239.5 million. It is important to note that Saudi Arabia is the only Arab nation in the top-10 donors to UNWRA in 2011 with their core budget pledge at approximately $5.3 million and total pledge at $76.8 million.
According to the Jewish Virtual Library, “Initially, the United States contributed $25 million and Israel nearly $3 million. The total Arab pledges amounted to approximately $600,000. For the first 20 years, the United States provided more than two-thirds of the funds, while the Arab states continued to contribute a tiny fraction. Israel has donated more funds to UNRWA than most Arab states. The Saudis did not match Israel's contribution until 1973; Kuwait and Libya, not until 1980. As recently as 1994, Israel gave more to UNRWA than all Arab countries except Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Morocco.” Currently, Israel does not give directly but through their UN dues. The UN pledge to UNRWA was over $24.5 million in 2011, making it the 10th largest donor after Switzerland.
http://www.rubincenter.org/2012/06/...ollars-given-to-the-palestinian-authority-go/
But the Anti-Semites Jew haters won't believe these facts. Their minds are made up so I am justing confusing them with FACTS!
