Perry's Announcement- no wonder the Obamabots are scared!

[WillowTree]

Good luck with this bush wanna. LOL The country is made up of some idiots, but not enough to elect another bush into office. Not this soon.

Do you really think this whole "Texas = Mordor" strategy is going to work for you guys?

At this point, Bush ain't looking too bad. I'd much rather have his term average 5% unemployment to the Community Organizers term average of 9%.

I'd rather have Bush's 150 billion dollar deficits than Obama's 1.4 TRILLION ones.

What would you have if Bush was still President?

I know I know. We'd have a "white" guy in the Whitehouse.

 

[WillowTree]

I thought we would have learned our lesson that talk is cheap after watching Obama in action.

Unlike the Community Organizer, Gov. Perry has a record to run on.

Yes, he certainly does. Here is some of it:

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

Perry will be spending a lot of his time on the stump. Dig beneath the talking points and you will find a troubling picture: rising unemployment, a glut of low-wage jobs without benefits, overcrowded homeless shelters and public schools facing billions in budget cuts.
"If you want a bad job, go to Texas," said Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman (D), who represents a district in Houston, in an interview with The Huffington Post. "If you want to work at Carl's Jr., our doors are open, and if you want to go to a crumbling school in a failing school system, this is the place to come."

Texas is struggling right along with every other state. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Texas had recently bumped up to 8.2 percent unemployment in June which puts it below the national average. In May, job growth slowed statewide. According to a recent report in the Houston Chronicle, Houston's not seasonally adjusted unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent. The unemployment rate has hit double digits in the Rio Grande Valley. In Hildago County, it's 12 percent. Quality of life indexes like child poverty rates put Texas further behind. State Sen. Judith Zaffirini (D) told The Huffington Post her state ranks 48th in teen birth rates, 50th in prenatal care and 46th in income disparity and 50th in the number of persons who receive a high school diploma by age 25.

Of the all the jobs in Texas created last year, 37 percent paid at or below minimum wage -- and the state leads the nation in total minimum wage workers, according to a recent New York Times report.

"The important thing to do is not to just count jobs but to look at what kinds of jobs are being created in Texas," explained Dick Lavine, a Senior Fiscal Analyst with the Center for Public Policy Priorities. "Texas is tied for last with Mississippi for the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs and Texas is by far the leader of residents who don't have health insurance. It's low wage jobs without any benefits."

When it comes to budget gaps, Texas is just like much of the rest of the country. This year, the state faced a projected budget shortfall totaling as much as $27 billion; the legislature also had to contend with a $4.3 billion deficit in its current budget. The state made massive across-the-board cuts to state agencies -- including $4 billion in public school cuts over two years. Perry and the state legislature also ended up closing out funding for pre-kindergarten programs for roughly 100,000 low-income children. Mass layoffs of public sector workers is expected.

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

I hope you will read the rest of this article that I couldn't post. In any case, I think Rick Perry is another GWB, actually worse in some ways.

Hey bimbo? what's the fucking job situation in Illinois? dew tell.

 

[edthecynic]

Clinton handed Bush a steady 3.9% UE rate and Bush handed Obama a 7.6% UE rate that was skyrocketing to over 8% before the stumulus bill was signed and over 10% before the first stimulus dollar was spent.
Bush raised the debt $6 trillion in 8 fiscal years, which averages $750 billion in borrowing per year. But with GOP fuzzy math accounting that comes to 5% UE and $150 billion deficits.

The problem with your logic is that you want to cherry pick any given year.

We all knew the economy was slowing down when Clinton was on his way out. (Not that he had anything to do with his good economy, he just lucked into the Tech Boom).

Also, your statement that Bush raised the debt 6 trillion is pure hogwash. It was closer to four. The Bush deficit was never worse than 400 billion any given year, and was shrinking after 2004 until the Recession hit. On the other hand, HopeNChange's deficits have never been less than a trillion, and he'd consider a deficit of 600 billion to be an accomplishment.

So were things wonderful under Bush? Nope. Where they a damned sight better than they were under B. Hussein? Yup.

the unemployment was steady for the whole year of 2000 averaging 3.97 for the year, where as Bush's UE was rising astronomically as he left office.

And Bush did increase the national debt by $6.1 trillion in his 8 fiscal years, but even useing your phony $4 trillion, that AVERAGES at $500 billion per year making your claim that the deficit never went over $400 billion in any given year proof of just how cooked Bush's deficit numbers were and how gullible you are to parrot them!!!!

 

[Zona]

Good luck with this bush wanna. LOL The country is made up of some idiots, but not enough to elect another bush into office. Not this soon.

Do you really think this whole "Texas = Mordor" strategy is going to work for you guys?

At this point, Bush ain't looking too bad. I'd much rather have his term average 5% unemployment to the Community Organizers term average of 9%.

I'd rather have Bush's 150 billion dollar deficits than Obama's 1.4 TRILLION ones.

Clinton handed Bush a steady 3.9% UE rate and Bush handed Obama a 7.6% UE rate that was skyrocketing to over 8% before the stumulus bill was signed and over 10% before the first stimulus dollar was spent.
Bush raised the debt $6 trillion in 8 fiscal years, which averages $750 billion in borrowing per year. But with GOP fuzzy math accounting that comes to 5% UE and $150 billion deficits.

For some reason, they forget this.

 

[jillian]

I thought we would have learned our lesson that talk is cheap after watching Obama in action.

Unlike the Community Organizer, Gov. Perry has a record to run on.

a record of government funded jobs in his state.... you mean *that* record?

this is the same BS that preceded Fred Thompson's fizzling out...

 

[JoeB131]

Clinton handed Bush a steady 3.9% UE rate and Bush handed Obama a 7.6% UE rate that was skyrocketing to over 8% before the stumulus bill was signed and over 10% before the first stimulus dollar was spent.
Bush raised the debt $6 trillion in 8 fiscal years, which averages $750 billion in borrowing per year. But with GOP fuzzy math accounting that comes to 5% UE and $150 billion deficits.

The problem with your logic is that you want to cherry pick any given year.

We all knew the economy was slowing down when Clinton was on his way out. (Not that he had anything to do with his good economy, he just lucked into the Tech Boom).

Also, your statement that Bush raised the debt 6 trillion is pure hogwash. It was closer to four. The Bush deficit was never worse than 400 billion any given year, and was shrinking after 2004 until the Recession hit. On the other hand, HopeNChange's deficits have never been less than a trillion, and he'd consider a deficit of 600 billion to be an accomplishment.

So were things wonderful under Bush? Nope. Where they a damned sight better than they were under B. Hussein? Yup.

the unemployment was steady for the whole year of 2000 averaging 3.97 for the year, where as Bush's UE was rising astronomically as he left office.

And Bush did increase the national debt by $6.1 trillion in his 8 fiscal years, but even useing your phony $4 trillion, that AVERAGES at $500 billion per year making your claim that the deficit never went over $400 billion in any given year proof of just how cooked Bush's deficit numbers were and how gullible you are to parrot them!!!!

Eddie, budd, you can try to paint the numbers anyway you want, but nearly everyone I know tells me that their lives were a LOT better under Bush than they are under the Community Organizers...

 

[edthecynic]

The problem with your logic is that you want to cherry pick any given year.

We all knew the economy was slowing down when Clinton was on his way out. (Not that he had anything to do with his good economy, he just lucked into the Tech Boom).

Also, your statement that Bush raised the debt 6 trillion is pure hogwash. It was closer to four. The Bush deficit was never worse than 400 billion any given year, and was shrinking after 2004 until the Recession hit. On the other hand, HopeNChange's deficits have never been less than a trillion, and he'd consider a deficit of 600 billion to be an accomplishment.

So were things wonderful under Bush? Nope. Where they a damned sight better than they were under B. Hussein? Yup.

the unemployment was steady for the whole year of 2000 averaging 3.97 for the year, where as Bush's UE was rising astronomically as he left office.

And Bush did increase the national debt by $6.1 trillion in his 8 fiscal years, but even useing your phony $4 trillion, that AVERAGES at $500 billion per year making your claim that the deficit never went over $400 billion in any given year proof of just how cooked Bush's deficit numbers were and how gullible you are to parrot them!!!!

Eddie, budd, you can try to paint the numbers anyway you want, but nearly everyone I know tells me that their lives were a LOT better under Bush than they are under the Community Organizers...

Yeah sure, .... Just as sure as Bush ran up "$4 trillion" in debt over 8 years without ever having a deficit worse than $400 billion in any given year.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, it was probably less than 4 trillion, but guy, THAT ISN'T IMPORTANT.

We all know that they've been doing that double accounting trick where surpluses in Social Security and Medicare erase deficits in general funds. But Clinton did that trick (that's what his imaginary "surpluses" were about) and so did a few of his predecessors going back to LBJ.

What is important is that the Community Organizer has screwed everything up so badly you can't even pull THAT trick anymore. That unemployment is so high, Medicare and Social Security are running deficits now, too, instead of surpluses.

 

[bodecea]

Good luck with this bush wanna. LOL The country is made up of some idiots, but not enough to elect another bush into office. Not this soon.

Do you really think this whole "Texas = Mordor" strategy is going to work for you guys?

At this point, Bush ain't looking too bad. I'd much rather have his term average 5% unemployment to the Community Organizers term average of 9%.

I'd rather have Bush's 150 billion dollar deficits than Obama's 1.4 TRILLION ones.

that's for damn sure 3/4 of the country whishes President Bush was back.

 

[bodecea]

Unlike the Community Organizer, Gov. Perry has a record to run on.

Yes, he certainly does. Here is some of it:

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

Perry will be spending a lot of his time on the stump. Dig beneath the talking points and you will find a troubling picture: rising unemployment, a glut of low-wage jobs without benefits, overcrowded homeless shelters and public schools facing billions in budget cuts.
"If you want a bad job, go to Texas," said Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman (D), who represents a district in Houston, in an interview with The Huffington Post. "If you want to work at Carl's Jr., our doors are open, and if you want to go to a crumbling school in a failing school system, this is the place to come."

Texas is struggling right along with every other state. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Texas had recently bumped up to 8.2 percent unemployment in June which puts it below the national average. In May, job growth slowed statewide. According to a recent report in the Houston Chronicle, Houston's not seasonally adjusted unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent. The unemployment rate has hit double digits in the Rio Grande Valley. In Hildago County, it's 12 percent. Quality of life indexes like child poverty rates put Texas further behind. State Sen. Judith Zaffirini (D) told The Huffington Post her state ranks 48th in teen birth rates, 50th in prenatal care and 46th in income disparity and 50th in the number of persons who receive a high school diploma by age 25.

Of the all the jobs in Texas created last year, 37 percent paid at or below minimum wage -- and the state leads the nation in total minimum wage workers, according to a recent New York Times report.

"The important thing to do is not to just count jobs but to look at what kinds of jobs are being created in Texas," explained Dick Lavine, a Senior Fiscal Analyst with the Center for Public Policy Priorities. "Texas is tied for last with Mississippi for the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs and Texas is by far the leader of residents who don't have health insurance. It's low wage jobs without any benefits."

When it comes to budget gaps, Texas is just like much of the rest of the country. This year, the state faced a projected budget shortfall totaling as much as $27 billion; the legislature also had to contend with a $4.3 billion deficit in its current budget. The state made massive across-the-board cuts to state agencies -- including $4 billion in public school cuts over two years. Perry and the state legislature also ended up closing out funding for pre-kindergarten programs for roughly 100,000 low-income children. Mass layoffs of public sector workers is expected.

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

I hope you will read the rest of this article that I couldn't post. In any case, I think Rick Perry is another GWB, actually worse in some ways.

Hey bimbo? what's the fucking job situation in Illinois? dew tell.

Bimbo?

 

[edthecynic]

Well, it was probably less than 4 trillion, but guy, THAT ISN'T IMPORTANT.

It was $6.1 trillion. And it is VERY important. It speaks to your credibility and the credibility of those who fed you your disinformation and your lack of desire to find out the truth!!!

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Total National Debt
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06

 

[Zander]

If my choice is Perry or Obama- I'd take Perry in a second.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, it was probably less than 4 trillion, but guy, THAT ISN'T IMPORTANT.

It was $6.1 trillion. And it is VERY important. It speaks to your credibility and the credibility of those who fed you your disinformation and your lack of desire to find out the truth!!!

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Total National Debt
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06

Why are you cherry picking numbers? Why pick a number NINE MONTHS into B. Hussein's first year, when he ran up a trillion dollars in new debt?

And why do you pretend that the Social Security surplus doesn't count?

 

[edthecynic]

Well, it was probably less than 4 trillion, but guy, THAT ISN'T IMPORTANT.

It was $6.1 trillion. And it is VERY important. It speaks to your credibility and the credibility of those who fed you your disinformation and your lack of desire to find out the truth!!!

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Total National Debt
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06

Why are you cherry picking numbers? Why pick a number NINE MONTHS into B. Hussein's first year, when he ran up a trillion dollars in new debt?

And why do you pretend that the Social Security surplus doesn't count?

Borrowing from SS is still borrowing money to cover deficit spending.

Those are fiscal years. But even if you use calander years which gives Bush the benefit of Clinton's good budget for 9 months, it's just about $4.9 trillion at an average of over $600 billion per year.

Why does it not bother you that the people who told you Bush's deficit spending never exceeded $400 billion lied to you? And worse yet, why do you still swallow their bullshit????
What does that say about YOU?????

01/21/2009 - $10,625,053,544,309.79
01/21/2001 - $5,728,195,796,181.57

 

[JoeB131]

It's says I'm not a miserable little Obama sychophant like you who lives in denial about how this radical socialist is screwing up my country.

if you want to go full bore, hey, guy, guess who was in charge of Congress when deficits started balooning again?

 

[ladyliberal]

Eddie, budd, you can try to paint the numbers anyway you want, but nearly everyone I know tells me that their lives were a LOT better under Bush than they are under the Community Organizers...

"Nearly everyone I know" is a rather horrible statistical sample. I care how my friends are doing, but they aren't a representative sample of the populace, and I doubt your friends are either. It is true that the economy has been much worse under Obama than under Bush, but this is more despite Obama's policies than because of them.

Returning to the thread topic, I think Perry would be very formidable in the general election. He's less gaffe-prone than Bachmann and more likable than Romney. He certainly presents a clear contrast to Obama, though equally certain he is far to the right of the median voter.

 

[Avatar4321]

Good rhetoric. not sure the substance is there yet. but i may learn otherwise at some point.

 

[BDBoop]

What is the Republican fascination with thinking Democrats are scared. When I criticize politicians...and keep in mind I'm an Independent fiscal conservative and social Libertarian...I never criticize people because I'm afraid of them. Fear never has anything to do with it.

When Dems and Independents criticize Palin, Bachmann, Perry, or people like Angle and O'Donnell...they don't sound afraid to me. They seem joyous about the fact that these people consistantly embarras themselves and the GOP...or they're happy because a politican has a lot of weaknesses like Perry.

One study I saw, and I take these with a grain of salt, showed that Liberals were better at negotiating complex issues, and Conservatives were better at identifying threats. It's natural for people to think others share their traits, so I guess I'm not surprised that conservatives think liberals are afraid when they criticize, because conservatives are afraid when they criticize.

It's a Fox thing, they parrot what they hear on the network. Fox is big on fear, so if they're not scaring their viewers, they're telling their viewers that the opposition is frightened. I don't know the psychological 'why' of it, though.

 

[The Rabbi]

Romney and Perry are the same person aren't they ? I can't tell one clone from the other.

Let me make it easy for you since your brain power is limited:
Romney: Still making excuses for ROmneycare.
Perry: Largest job growth in the country.

See the difference?

 

[The Rabbi]

I thought we would have learned our lesson that talk is cheap after watching Obama in action.

Unlike the Community Organizer, Gov. Perry has a record to run on.

Yes, he certainly does. Here is some of it:

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

Perry will be spending a lot of his time on the stump. Dig beneath the talking points and you will find a troubling picture: rising unemployment, a glut of low-wage jobs without benefits, overcrowded homeless shelters and public schools facing billions in budget cuts.
"If you want a bad job, go to Texas," said Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman (D), who represents a district in Houston, in an interview with The Huffington Post. "If you want to work at Carl's Jr., our doors are open, and if you want to go to a crumbling school in a failing school system, this is the place to come."

Texas is struggling right along with every other state. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Texas had recently bumped up to 8.2 percent unemployment in June which puts it below the national average. In May, job growth slowed statewide. According to a recent report in the Houston Chronicle, Houston's not seasonally adjusted unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent. The unemployment rate has hit double digits in the Rio Grande Valley. In Hildago County, it's 12 percent. Quality of life indexes like child poverty rates put Texas further behind. State Sen. Judith Zaffirini (D) told The Huffington Post her state ranks 48th in teen birth rates, 50th in prenatal care and 46th in income disparity and 50th in the number of persons who receive a high school diploma by age 25.

Of the all the jobs in Texas created last year, 37 percent paid at or below minimum wage -- and the state leads the nation in total minimum wage workers, according to a recent New York Times report.

"The important thing to do is not to just count jobs but to look at what kinds of jobs are being created in Texas," explained Dick Lavine, a Senior Fiscal Analyst with the Center for Public Policy Priorities. "Texas is tied for last with Mississippi for the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs and Texas is by far the leader of residents who don't have health insurance. It's low wage jobs without any benefits."

When it comes to budget gaps, Texas is just like much of the rest of the country. This year, the state faced a projected budget shortfall totaling as much as $27 billion; the legislature also had to contend with a $4.3 billion deficit in its current budget. The state made massive across-the-board cuts to state agencies -- including $4 billion in public school cuts over two years. Perry and the state legislature also ended up closing out funding for pre-kindergarten programs for roughly 100,000 low-income children. Mass layoffs of public sector workers is expected.

Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle' Includes Crowded Homeless Shelters, Low-Wage Jobs, Worker Deaths

I hope you will read the rest of this article that I couldn't post. In any case, I think Rick Perry is another GWB, actually worse in some ways.

Yeah, no other state has crowded shelters, low wage jobs and worker deaths.