Perhaps the best test of alternate realities - clear video of the shooting

[22lcidw]

Many thanks to Dorian Mode, who admitted in post 685 here, that the shooter was not hit by the car.

He then does the regular deflection stuff and tries to change the subject and put me on the defensive, which is fine, but at least he was honest about my actual point.

Good stuff.

You guys live with double think and triple think Your politicians are dystopian and you believe anything. The defund your police era is now whitewashed.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

He was not run over, but it looks to me that there was bodily contact with the car. I would think a better approach would have been to shoot the tires, instead, but that's just me.

As to the op, what Mac is doing is to attempt to establish that a wider percentage of Americans support Democrat extremism than actually exists. He has created a world where it is "MAGA" on one side of the issue and everybody else on the other. This is simply not true.


"alternate reality", indeed.

 

[Independent thinker]

This thread is less about the Minnesota shooting and more about how America has split into two different realities.

President Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Noem and most MAGAs on this site are saying the ICE agent was "hit" or "run over".

This is easily the clearest view of the positioning of the vehicle and the shooter. At :09, she puts the vehicle in drive, you can see the tires turning to the right, and the shooting begins.

Please view this video and describe how the agent is "hit". Or, please tell me if you think Trump, Vance, Noem and MAGA are lying.

PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SEE.

Yes, there is clear video of the lady giving law enforcement shit, refusing to obey instructions, and moving her car in the direction of an ICE officer, hitting him while he defended himself.

 

[Seymour Flops]

There was contact. You don't see it in the OP's video because the video is from behind the vehicle and the contact was in front of the vehicle.

From your beloved MSNOW:



Her wife told her to "drive, baby drive!" and she did. Did she know that the officer was in front and she would hit him? My guess is that she blindly followed her wife's insruction without thinking at all.

It's sad for her. But it seems she prefers writing poetry to working and harrassing law enforcement to taking care of her children. Such an end was an very likely outcome of the life she chose to lead.

 

[Correll]

There was contact. You don't see it in the OP's video because the video is from behind the vehicle and the contact was in front of the vehicle.

From your beloved MSNOW:



Her wife told her to "drive, baby drive!" and she did. Did she know that the officer was in front and she would hit him? My guess is that she blindly followed her wife's insruction without thinking at all.

It's sad for her. But it seems she prefers writing poetry to working and harrassing law enforcement to taking care of her children. Such an end was an very likely outcome of the life she chose to lead.

Hell, to me, it looks like they were TRAINED to be confrontational and to provoke law enforcement.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It’s pointless confronting Trump Cult members with facts and the truth.

The reprehensible right will always defend the indefensible.

“Facts and truth” like men have a penis and women have a vagina?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Hell, to me, it looks like they were TRAINED to be confrontational and to provoke law enforcement.

Of course.

They were obviously taught to scream, act smug, use numbers to their advantage, i.e. be such a large crowd that the police cannot arrest one without being harassed by ten others, and to set up situations where they can claim victimhood.

White lesbians and "non-binary" white males are among the worst at this, as numerous videos show.

This incident may have been the result of a "perfect storm," of a situation leading to a death that might otherwise have been an arrest later in the day at the perp's home.

A recently-converted lesbian behind the wheel dominated by her more experienced significant other, thus following the command to "drive baby, drive," instead of checking her front view, combined with the policeman who was hit having previously been dragged by another such criminal. He did everything he could to defend himself, both trying to get out of the way, and trying to stop the driver from trying again, or hitting someone else.

 

[berg80]

They can't give an inch, because that would mean that Trump, Vance & Noem are lying.

The video in the OP is perfectly clear.

As indicated by the replies from trumples on this thread, they will never, ever, ever acknowledge trump and Noem were too hasty in reflexively defending Ross. In so doing mischaracterizing the circumstances of the shooting.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The video in the OP is plenty clear enough.

It's just being viewed from two entirely different realities. Not just perspectives, but realities.

The fact that this country now has two different realities is killing us.

"Two different realities"

 

[berg80]

Hell, to me, it looks like they were TRAINED to be confrontational and to provoke law enforcement.

For the sake of argument let's say they were. It doesn't justify Good being shot.

trumples are coming dangerously close to claiming she deserved to be shot for being an uppity, mouthy, gay, woman who disagreed with what the regime was doing.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Cause and effect.
All the filthy rug munching wackos I know stay alive by NOT impeding iCE operations.
This shit is so simple.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There's another clip of the incident from an entirely different standpoint that shows there was contact. But nevertheless, he put himself in front of a vehicle and stayed there when he didn't have to, and did other things wrong too, as this retired agent with 25 years experience including in the investigative arm of ICE/DHS explains:

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She's FLEEING. She should have been arrested. That's all

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Hell, to me, it looks like they were TRAINED to be confrontational and to provoke law enforcement.

Nor trained. And without it and the right temprement they have no business in law enforcement

 

[Seymour Flops]

As indicated by the replies from trumples on this thread, they will never, ever, ever acknowledge trump and Noem were too hasty in reflexively defending Ross. In so doing mischaracterizing the circumstances of the shooting.

As indicated by your ignoring the video I posted in # 164 this very thread, you Bidenistas will never, ever acknowledge that the perp in this incident drove into a federal law enforcement officer after being given a lawful command to exit the vehicle.

Say she was infuriated by the evil Nazi ICE agents, say she was passionate about the rights of the Somolis who run such wonderful learing centers across her adopted city, say it was all the fault of Trump's rhetoric that she made that fatal decision. Those are opinions you are entitled to.

But you are not entitled to alternate facts, invented to fit your opinion.

 

[Mac1958]

Yes, there is clear video of the lady giving law enforcement shit, refusing to obey instructions, and moving her car in the direction of an ICE officer, hitting him while he defended himself.

Yes, I've seen that, and it definitely looks like she went too far with her crap and was an example of how activists can create problems on their own. They can be counter-productive in multiple ways.

 

[Mac-7]

This thread is less about the Minnesota shooting and more about how America has split into two different realities.

President Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Noem and most MAGAs on this site are saying the ICE agent was "hit" or "run over".

This is easily the clearest view of the positioning of the vehicle and the shooter. At :09, she puts the vehicle in drive, you can see the tires turning to the right, and the shooting begins.

Please view this video and describe how the agent is "hit". Or, please tell me if you think Trump, Vance, Noem and MAGA are lying.

PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SEE.

I do not call it attempted murder by the dead lesbian

Nor was it murder by the ICE agent

The truth is that the woman acted recklessly and suffered the consequences of her actions

 

[Mac1958]

She's FLEEING. She should have been arrested. That's all

Yep. One the guys had her license plate on video. Easy arrest. And it could have been done later if not then.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I do not call it attempted murder by the dead lesbian

Nor was it murder by the ICE agent

The truth is that the woman acted recklessly and suffered the consequences of her actions

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Did you see the still photograph from the video from Ross' phone, where Good looked at him and smiled before she floored it?

.

 

[task0778]

But you are not entitled to alternate facts, invented to fit your opinion.

Neither are you or anyone else. Here's the facts: the shooter did not fire through the windshield, he fired through the driver's window as the car was passing by him. At that instance, he was not in imminent danger of being hit and he was not being dragged when he opened fire.

 

[sartre play]

What the woman's sex, or political preference was has no bearing on the situation.
SHE IS DEAD. The question is did she deserve to DIE over this dispute.
Is this the kind of response we want to be common from enforcement officers here in America ?