Perhaps the best test of alternate realities - clear video of the shooting

[Mac-7]

You seem to want to justify executing someone on the street spreading lies about them...

She made her own bed because of her reckless actions

I had nothing to do with her death

 

[leftwinger]

Cheese Stain say "

alternate realities".​

As they use the teenage picture of the mean old truck driving Lezbo ICE attacker.//

 

[leftwinger]

It's fixin' to get uglier//

 

[Nostra]

Like draft dodger Clinton? Obama? Neither of those served, either. You might not want to open up that can of worms.

His Vegetable Messiah got 5 deferments during Nam…….for asthma……….while playing college football.

 

[Independent thinker]

Standing front of a car is totally against DHS policy...

They had no right to ask her to get of the car and had no atrocity to do so... She had already let ICE vehicles pass...

The officer first broke policy by standing in front of the car...

She attempted to get out of the way and turned her wheel away from him...

Also two of the shots fired are at best as firing on a person fleeing. He wasn't the way of the car. That is against the law...

Ye have been watching too much movies... Officer can't shoot at a car which is fleeing... Ever think why cops are shooting at car in the news like they do in the movies?

So you ARE saying that if an ICE agent gets in front of a car the driver has the right to run them over.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It is a train derailment.
The railroad flatcars are towards the top of the photo, on the hillside. They are the grayish rectangles.
The shiny green "cylinders" are Boeing 737 fuselages. Components fabricated at a factory in the midlands USA, being trucked to Seattle/Renton for completion; wings, engines, etc. to be attached.

The 737 fuselages are shipped by rail ~ railroad.

Did you see this photo/image as something else ?

My brain skipped a beat when it saw airplane fuselages instead of railway cars lol.

My point was not about what's actually in the photo, it's instead about what I was expecting to see versus what was actually there and how that disconnect impacted my brain momentarily.

As far as the topic on hand, as I mentioned previously, someone used some software to synchronize 4 or 5 different vantage points of this incident and ran them all together as one video which gives the observer the ability to consider the event from multiple vantage points all at once and what I saw that I appreciated most was the one that focused on the officers feet, showing where he was as the vehicle moved past him. Even if it made contact with him, it was not in a manner that had the ability to knock him over which we know did not occur.

Also the first video I saw from his vantage point, meaning his cell phone, I couldn't hear any of the shots fired whereas, the one I saw that seemed to show the situation best, I could hear a muffled shot (1st shot) and then clearly the two subsequent shots.

All of the video I've seen leads me to believe that Good was attempt to escape from the swarm of agents trying to get ahold of her (yanking on her car doors). And considering that she's a U.S. citizen I can understand her impulse to try to escape, even though in her attempt to do so, her vehicle made contact with the agent (presumably) which caused him to react with deadly force which was not warranted in my opinion. The 2nd & 3rd shot were made as she was fleeing and not while he was in front of her where he could possibly believe she was attempting to run over him.

He could have been suffering from PTSD from his previous bad encounter in which the motorist dragged him along the streets. I posted a link to that news story that shows photos of his injuries and they looked pretty painful. But law enforcement officers are not supposed to take out on one person, their aggravations that were initially caused by an encounter with someone else entirely. They're supposed to be able to maintain a level of professionalism irrespective of what's going on around them. This particular agent seemed to have a chip on his shoulder and be particularly aggressive. Especially when you consider that Renee Good is a U.S. citizen and ICE has no lawful authority over U.S. citizens.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This thread is less about the Minnesota shooting and more about how America has split into two different realities.

President Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Noem and most MAGAs on this site are saying the ICE agent was "hit" or "run over".

This is easily the clearest view of the positioning of the vehicle and the shooter. At :09, she puts the vehicle in drive, you can see the tires turning to the right, and the shooting begins.

Please view this video and describe how the agent is "hit". Or, please tell me if you think Trump, Vance, Noem and MAGA are lying.

PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SEE.

 

[buttercup]

Hardly anyone has brought up the point brought up in this video. I've seen maybe 1 or 2 people bring it up.

Warning, he's very harsh in this video, so if you're easily offended, you might not want to watch it....

 

[marvin martian]

Remember their first story: "she wasn't protesting, she was just there to drop off her kid."

 

[TemplarKormac]

Remember their first story: "she wasn't protesting, she was just there to drop off her kid."

I lol'd.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Make your fingers into a gun and go around every inch of a car, except for in front of the car, and shoot through the windshield.
What do the cops do when they stop someone, tell them to exit the vehicle, and the person takes off? The chase is on, and often it ends with the perp getting shot.
She had been dogging ICE all day, blocking streets, instigating and though it was great fun, until they finally told her to exit the vehicle, to put her under arrest for obstruction. She floored it. And when she did, there was an agent in front of her that knows the peril of a fleeing vehicle. If he wasn't in harms way, he could not have been able to shoot through the windshield. She asked for it.

 

[task0778]

Make your fingers into a gun and go around every inch of a car, except for in front of the car, and shoot through the windshield.
What do the cops do when they stop someone, tell them to exit the vehicle, and the person takes off? The chase is on, and often it ends with the perp getting shot.
She had been dogging ICE all day, blocking streets, instigating and though it was great fun, until they finally told her to exit the vehicle, to put her under arrest for obstruction. She floored it. And when she did, there was an agent in front of her that knows the peril of a fleeing vehicle. If he wasn't in harms way, he could not have been able to shoot through the windshield. She asked for it.

I would say that a case could be made for the shooter firing the 1st bullet, I don't agree with that cuz it looks like the victim was turning her car to the right to avoid him. But the 2nd and 3rd shots are a different story, those shots were fired after the shooter was no longer in danger of being run over or seriously injured. I can't see the justification for those last 2 shots. In fact, firing those shots after he was no longer in the path of the car could have endangered people on the other side of the car.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Hardly anyone has brought up the point brought up in this video. I've seen maybe 1 or 2 people bring it up.

Warning, he's very harsh in this video, so if you're easily offended, you might not want to watch it....

Well he definitely has some strong opinions but he's not wrong:

I can't help but compare and contrast the hypocrisy that Trump displays when he's pretending to have such great care & concern for the protestors in Iran and has threatened the regime that they better not start shooting the protestors else the U.S. is going to start shooting them. Yet here in the U.S. he has sent minimally trained ICE agents to go and terrorize targeted individuals, not distinguishing U.S. citizens from those who are valid subjects of ICE targeting and have NOTHING to say except disparaging and denigrating comments against those individuals that have been wrongly targeted and/or physically abused by his goons.

It's completely nauseating.

 

[buttercup]

Make your fingers into a gun and go around every inch of a car, except for in front of the car, and shoot through the windshield.
What do the cops do when they stop someone, tell them to exit the vehicle, and the person takes off? The chase is on, and often it ends with the perp getting shot.
She had been dogging ICE all day, blocking streets, instigating and though it was great fun, until they finally told her to exit the vehicle, to put her under arrest for obstruction. She floored it. And when she did, there was an agent in front of her that knows the peril of a fleeing vehicle. If he wasn't in harms way, he could not have been able to shoot through the windshield. She asked for it.

It has been widely reported that it happened at 9:37 AM, and I haven't seen anyone dispute that time. So how could she have been doing anything "all day" at 9:30 in the morning?

As for blocking the street, in the clips released, you can see people easily driving around her.

But all of that is irrelevant in regard to whether or not she should have been executed. Nothing that happened before the shooting was a capital crime. Fleeing is not a capital crime.

As task0778 said, one could try to make an argument for the first shot (even though I think anyone who truly feared for their life would instinctively jump out of the way, not take the time to switch a cell phone to the other hand, and then aim and shoot someone)...But the second and third shots are an entirely different story. He was on the side of the car, the vehicle was already driving past him. I think there is far more evidence that he acted out of anger (and maybe poor training) than self-defense.

 

[yidnar]

Trump, Vance, Noem, and most of MAGA here are saying he was hit.

Are they lying?

 

[Muhammed]

Hardly anyone has brought up the point brought up in this video. I've seen maybe 1 or 2 people bring it up.

Warning, he's very harsh in this video, so if you're easily offended, you might not want to watch it....

I've thought about bringing that up before you brought it up, but really if the first shot was justified they all were due to their quick succession. And the first one wasn't justified at all IMO.

 

[yidnar]

Here's the clip from the different angle I was talking about that was going around.... Too bad someone added loud music to it.... And it's also sped up.


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^ Ok, now Grok is saying that clip is from ANOTHER incident a year ago! But that's the clip that was being passed around as a different angle of the Minnesota shooting.

This is crazy. I'm going to try to get to the bottom of this.

its the real video ..

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I've thought about bringing that up before you brought it up, but really if the first shot was justified they all were due to their quick succession. And the first one wasn't justified at all IMO.

Actually no. The subsequent shots were not justified as "just a part of his defensive response".

That's one of the things I remember clearly about my very first firearm training class is that we're responsible for every round we fire. I suspect he shot her in anger for scaring/embarrassing/letting her vehicle "touch" him but he was clearly still on his feet AND in control of his firearm since all of his rounds hit his intended target.

 

[Leo123]

There's another clip of the incident from an entirely different standpoint that shows there was contact. But nevertheless, he put himself in front of a vehicle and stayed there when he didn't have to, and did other things wrong too, as this retired agent with 25 years experience including in the investigative arm of ICE/DHS explains:

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Stop lying for God's sake. He did NOT put himself in front of the vehicle, he was at an angle off to the side until Good accelerated toward him going left because her front wheels were straight on to slightly left. After the shot, the wheels turned to the right. Try actually looking at all the videos, not just the ones that seem to prove your predetermined point. If he was not directly in line with the vehicle then how did he manage a shot in the front windshield?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Ten years on the job you idiot.

WHO, moron?