Perhaps another GREAT JOB Trump - apparently on the phone with Putin, and an hour later they had a cease fire agreement.

Because Ukraine is unlikely to win. YOu are spending their lives, for no good reason.
It’s what they want, not what I want. Ukraine knows Russia can’t last much longer or Putin wouldn’t be talking. All we have to do is send Ukraine supplies that are already produced by American companies and would need to be replaced by American workers. Supplies that would eventually be destroyed, mothballed or sold, anyway.
 
It’s what they want, not what I want.

Bullshit. that's a cop out, because you know I am right. you are wasting their lives, to bleed Russia.

Ukraine knows Russia can’t last much longer or Putin wouldn’t be talking.

That's dumb. Putin could easily realize that he is in a position where he should cut his losses, long before he is on the edge of collapse.




All we have to do is send Ukraine supplies that are already produced by American companies and would need to be replaced by American workers. Supplies that would eventually be destroyed, mothballed or sold, anyway.

YOur pretense that the money is not a strain on our budget, is shit talk.

If you support a policy, you need to be able to justify the expense of the policy. Shit talk like it is "already produced" is the kind of shit that people who can't do that, do instead.
 
So, you are fine with the way things are going then.

So, why so much drama from the left?
The fear that Trump is siding with an autocrat and not with the people of Ukraine and will try and force them into a surrender with a lack of security guarantees. The US already voted against Ukraine in the UN and sided with Russia, Iran, and North Korea. That is the company the US now keeps.
 
The fear that Trump is siding with an autocrat and not with the people of Ukraine and will try and force them into a surrender with a lack of security guarantees. ....

Surrender is a dumb term to use. You are not implying that Trump will get Zelenski to lay down his arms and surrender Ukraine to Putin to merge it into the Russian Empire.


Your inability to talk about the policy of peace vs war, honestly, is not a good look for you.
 
Actually it can. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, Russia would never have invaded.
Of course Russia would have "invaded" long before Ukraine actually tried to join NATO.
Wrong again. Sovereignty includes the right to kill Russians, and anyone else, that trespass on your territory.
Russians do live on the territory of "Ukraine". And no, they have no right to kill Russians or make realistic preparations for such killing.

Or they are trying to keep their independence and don't want to join the Russian Empire as subject peoples.
If they want to be neutral - they might be neutral. But anyway, they shouldn't join NATO or discriminate Russians.

Why are the Russian soldiers fighting? For the majority I'd say it is because they don't have a choice.
You are obviously wrong.

Turn the Russian army into a volunteer army and see how many of them choice to leave the army.
Russian Army is more or less volonteer Army. Anyway, borders are open - if you don't want to fight - you always can leave Russian Federation. At least, Russian Army is financed by the Russian Federation, not by China or India.
 
Surrender is a dumb term to use. You are not implying that Trump will get Zelenski to lay down his arms and surrender Ukraine to Putin to merge it into the Russian Empire.
Do you expect Ukraine to surrender territory to Russia because they want it? Now that is dumb.

Your inability to talk about the policy of peace vs war, honestly, is not a good look for you.
Your support for an autocratic oligarch who believes Russia has some right to foreign lands and people is, honestly, is not a good look for you.
 
The fear that Trump is siding with an autocrat and not with the people of Ukraine and will try and force them into a surrender with a lack of security guarantees.
Trump is the president of the United States, not of Ukraine. He cares about safety of American citizens. He suppose to think about their safety.

The US already voted against Ukraine in the UN and sided with Russia, Iran, and North Korea. That is the company the US now keeps.
Voting is cheap.
 
Of course Russia would have "invaded" long before Ukraine actually tried to join NATO.
Would they have done any better than they are doing today?

Russians do live on the territory of "Ukraine". And no, they have no right to kill Russians or make realistic preparations for such killing.
Ethnic Russians are not trespassers, that would describe Russian soldiers in the Russian army.

If they want to be neutral - they might be neutral. But anyway, they shouldn't join NATO or discriminate Russians.
I agree they should not discriminate against Russians but they have been recognized as a sovereign nation and their foreign policy is only their concern.

You are obviously wrong.
"Obviously"? What is that based on?

Russian Army is more or less volonteer Army.
Except for the conscription? Legislation, which came into effect on 1 January 2024, required men to carry out at least a year of military service, or equivalent training during higher education, between the ages of 18–30, rather than 18–27.

Anyway, borders are open - if you don't want to fight - you always can leave Russian Federation. At least, Russian Army is financed by the Russian Federation, not by China or India.
The law also bans men from leaving Russia from the day they are summoned to a conscription office.
 
Bullshit. that's a cop out, because you know I am right. you are wasting their lives, to bleed Russia.



That's dumb. Putin could easily realize that he is in a position where he should cut his losses, long before he is on the edge of collapse.






YOur pretense that the money is not a strain on our budget, is shit talk.

If you support a policy, you need to be able to justify the expense of the policy. Shit talk like it is "already produced" is the kind of shit that people who can't do that, do instead.
It’s the Ukrainians choice to fight, just as it was Putin’s choice to invade.
 
Would they have done any better than they are doing today?
It depends. I doubt it. Economically, it definitely would be worse. But who can really be sure? Many smart guys belive that we should have started that operation back in 2014 or even in 2007.
Ethnic Russians are not trespassers, that would describe Russian soldiers in the Russian army.
But they started to discriminate and kill ethnic Russians.

I agree they should not discriminate against Russians but they have been recognized as a sovereign nation and their foreign policy is only their concern.
Really? What about sovereignity of Cuba back in 1962? Shouldn't you have respected their sovereign right to make alliance with Soviet Union and deploy Soviet missiles? If you had done this in 1962, then in 1963 you would have ceased to exist.
What about sovereignity of all other Latino-American states? What about sovereign right of Serbs to kill Albanian terrorists and their supporters?


"Obviously"? What is that based on?
On the observed facts.
Except for the conscription? Legislation, which came into effect on 1 January 2024, required men to carry out at least a year of military service, or equivalent training during higher education, between the ages of 18–30, rather than 18–27.

Defence of Russian Federation is the duty of a Russian citizen. If you don't want to be a citizen of Russian Federation - you are free to leave it. And, talking about military education you've forgot about initial military education in schools.
The law also bans men from leaving Russia from the day they are summoned to a conscription office.
The law doesn't ban people from leaving Russia before they are summoned and, what is even more important, it doesn't ban people from signing contract with a regiment of your choice volonteerly, before being forcingly mobilised (even after beening summoned to a conscription office). Some of my friends did it that way.
 
Do you expect Ukraine to surrender territory to Russia because they want it? Now that is dumb.
But it's much dumber to believe that Russia will surrender territories or Russian people to Ukraine, just because NATO want it, isn't it?
Your support for an autocratic oligarch who believes Russia has some right to foreign lands and people is, honestly, is not a good look for you.
And you support an autocratic oligarch who pretends that he believes Ukraine has some right on Russian lands and Russian people.
 
Provoke? That’s Ruzzian propaganda.
What exactly is Russian propaganda? Odessa massacre? Shelling of Donbass? Visit of US strategic bombers in Ukrainian airspace? Discrimination of Russian language? Cooperation with NATO? What exactly?
 
But they started to discriminate and kill ethnic Russians.
The discrimination, if true, wouldn't surprise me since Ukrainians lived under Russians in the recent past and things didn't go well. As for killing ethnic Russians, are you claiming genocide or were these Russian separatists armed and encouraged by the Russian government?

Really? What about sovereignity of Cuba back in 1962? Shouldn't you have respected their sovereign right to make alliance with Soviet Union and deploy Soviet missiles? If you had done this in 1962, then in 1963 you would have ceased to exist.
There is no nation with clean hands. Certainly the US was concerned about the USSR and "Мы вас похороним!" didn't help.

What about sovereignity of all other Latino-American states? What about sovereign right of Serbs to kill Albanian terrorists and their supporters?
South America is now mostly democratic, the autocrats are gone. Do you miss them?

Did the Serbs have the right to discriminate and kill ethnic Albanians?

On the observed facts.
You may trust the 'observations' of Russian media, most everyone else does not. Too many windows.

Defence of Russian Federation is the duty of a Russian citizen. If you don't want to be a citizen of Russian Federation - you are free to leave it. And, talking about military education you've forgot about initial military education in schools.
An old American football saying is, "the best defense is a good offense". I guess that is why Russian troops are defending Russia from inside of Ukraine.

The law doesn't ban people from leaving Russia before they are summoned and, what is even more important, it doesn't ban people from signing contract with a regiment of your choice volonteerly, before being forcingly mobilised (even after beening summoned to a conscription office). Some of my friends did it that way.
So you can volunteer or enlist? Some choice.
 
But it's much dumber to believe that Russia will surrender territories or Russian people to Ukraine, just because NATO want it, isn't it?
Russia did surrender territories and Russian people to Ukraine. Read the treaties they signed.

And you support an autocratic oligarch who pretends that he believes Ukraine has some right on Russian lands and Russian people.
If you refer to Trump, you're right about the "autocratic oligarch" part but he but wrong about the other part. He believes Russia has a right to Ukrainian lands and people. He voted in the UN with Russia, Iran, and North Korea. Bad company and none that are friends of America, the West, or democracy.
 
The discrimination, if true, wouldn't surprise me since Ukrainians lived under Russians in the recent past and things didn't go well.
Actually, Ukrainians are Russians.

As for killing ethnic Russians, are you claiming genocide or were these Russian separatists armed and encouraged by the Russian government?
Both.

There is no nation with clean hands.
It's not about "clean hands". It's more "common sense". Soviet missiles in Cuba or US missiles in Romania are possible deadly threat. If you are not going to eliminate this threat one way or another - it will eliminate you.

Certainly the US was concerned about the USSR and "Мы вас похороним!" didn't help.
Actually, it seems to me, that it was (and still is) the only practical way to make business with the Americans. When you give them a finger of friendship (as it did Gorbachev) they take it as a sign of weakness and do really stupid things (like NATO expansion).

South America is now mostly democratic, the autocrats are gone. Do you miss them?
I don't believe in autocrats at all. Every person has as much power, as you allow him.

Did the Serbs have the right to discriminate and kill ethnic Albanians?
Before 1999, yes, it was their sovereign right until univocal decision of all UN SC members. After 1999 there is only one law "Might is right".

You may trust the 'observations' of Russian media, most everyone else does not. Too many windows.
Its not just about media. Actually, I don't watch TV or read official propaganda. But my dad was born in Kherson, my mom was born in Mariupol, I have a lot of friends and relatives there.
An old American football saying is, "the best defense is a good offense". I guess that is why Russian troops are defending Russia from inside of Ukraine.
Actually, that was said by Alexander the Great long before American football was invented. (If you can imagine that there were times without American football and MacDonald's)

And yes, the first line of Russian defense is coming through Washington and Pentagon.

So you can volunteer or enlist? Some choice.
Or you can leave Russia before they summon you. Or you can came to work on a military factory or something.
Defence of Russian Federation is a duty, but there is a lot of freedom in the way you can do it.
 
What exactly is Russian propaganda? Odessa massacre? Shelling of Donbass? Visit of US strategic bombers in Ukrainian airspace? Discrimination of Russian language? Cooperation with NATO? What exactly?
Invasion and killings.
 
Actually, Ukrainians are Russians.
Are they? That is news to me. Both are Slavs but they have different languages and were, at times, independent of each other. What does it mean to "Russian"?

Which came first?

I don't believe in autocrats at all. Every person has as much power, as you allow him.
So the Tsar was not an autocrat. Did the serfs allow him to be their Tsar?

Before 1999, yes, it was their sovereign right until univocal decision of all UN SC members. After 1999 there is only one law "Might is right".
If the Serbs had the right to discriminate and kill ethnic Albanians, why doesn't Ukraine have that same right regarding Russians in their country?
 
Invasion and killings.
Invasion and killing its not "Russian propaganda". Ukrainian forces actually invaded DPR and LPR and they kill a lot of Russian people both in Donbass and in other temporarily controlled by Kievan regime territories.
 
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