Perhaps another GREAT JOB Trump - apparently on the phone with Putin, and an hour later they had a cease fire agreement.

The United States has already started preparing a new package of sanctions in case Moscow refuses the ceasefire.

The United States continues to “ignore” who does not really want peace, and it seems that the United States itself is a supporter of war.
The supply of weapons from the United States to the Nazis in Ukraine has not stopped.
 
They are important if we are talking about individual persons or morality or something. But if we are talking about survival or different strategies of colonisation or genodynamics, or other things in the long terms, intents and individual actions are simply irrelevant. And if you are at the other end of a barrel, the motivation of your murderer isn't that important, too.
Some years ago I've read a series of fiction books "Russian Frontier". Alternative history, based on the fiction assumption that Russian Empire bought Mexico from Spain in the beginning of XIX century (do you know that famous story about Juno and Avos?), and established there proper Russian order. Mostly, of course, its simple adventures but different approaches in the competition for dominance on the Great Plains between the USA, France and Russian colonies were demonstrated quite colorfully.

Intent is required to say GENOCIDE.

Otherwise, it is not genocide.



Definitions are important. And no, I'm a lib in some kind. "Live and allow live others" that's my credo.


Reality is simple. We are winning and you can't stop us. You are already defeated. And the only question now is what price will you pay for your interference.

If that is true, than why all the talk from YOU about escalating? It everything is going YOUR way, then all you would WANT to do, is just slide on though to victory.


In reality, You are being bled white. You are stuck in a meatgrinder.

What makes sense is to cut a deal and end it.


Of course we can. Basic conception is almost as old as nuclear weapons themselves. First - counter-force strike (with minimal civilian losses), generous peace offer after it (like you return us Alaska and California, but continue your existence as an independent state, nuclear power and member of SC UN). If you agree and don't retaliate - we've won. If you disagree and retaliate - we suffer rather moderate damage (no more than 10 mln killed) and you are totally annihilated by our third strike and we've won.

HAHAHAHAHA, "No more 10 min killed"? LOL.

In reality, that is not a sane alternative to even consider.
 
Intent is required to say GENOCIDE.

Otherwise, it is not genocide.

As I said, it's all about definitions. Actions of a person may be "intentional" or "unintentional". Ways of culture are always "unintentional", because culture or population doesn't have "intentions". Just some cultures are expanding by assimilation, and other - by replacement. Actually, there are just different proportions of assimilation and replacement (for no one is pure assimilator or replacer).
If that is true, than why all the talk from YOU about escalating? It everything is going YOUR way, then all you would WANT to do, is just slide on though to victory.

It is unwise to judge realistic analyses and preparations as a lust for war. There are no two sides to the nuclear debate: no one is "for" war; everyone is against it - some categorically so and others only to the degree that it does not result in an even less desirable alternative. It is immoral from almost any point of view to refuse to defend yourself and others from very grave and terrible threats, even as there are limits to the means that can be used in such defense.

We are against nuclear war. We are against even conventional wars or any other form of violence. But, there are alternatives much more worse than a nuclear war, and two of them (at least from our point of view) - is to leave twenty million of Russian people under control of anti-Russian regime, and to allow NATO militarise Eastern Europe and attack Russia.


In reality, You are being bled white. You are stuck in a meatgrinder.
In our reality our military losses are lesser than the death rate from traffic accidents.

What makes sense is to cut a deal and end it.
"Cut a deal" make sense only if two conditions are fulfilled - both sides can control "their" assets (which is definitely not true in the case of Trump and Zelenskiy, and almost certain isn't true in the case of Putin and, say, Odessa underground) and the final result of the deal isn't worse than the final result of "meatgrinder".
The diplomats can talk about different things, but it hardly will change a thing on the ground.

HAHAHAHAHA, "No more 10 min killed"? LOL.

In reality, that is not a sane alternative to even consider.
Previous times, bad deals with the West caused the much more significant losses.
It might be, and looks like it will be, the lesser evil. Sad, but true. And, "ten millions killed, Russian decisive victory" is just a one cartrige in six chambers.
Other five chances are: "America alleviated without forcing Russia to use nukes at all" (3/6), "America alleviated after first Russian nuckear attack against French and British nuclear bases". (1/6), "America accepted generous Russian peace proposals without retaliation, and lose Alaska and California, after losing significant part of nuclear arsenal after Russian limited counter-force strike" (1/6).

You know, it was realistic back in 1979, and its even more realistic now, with much more vulnerable American nuclear forces and with much more precise Russian missiles.
 
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As I said, it's all about definitions. Actions of a person may be "intentional" or "unintentional". Ways of culture are always "unintentional", because culture or population doesn't have "intentions". Just some cultures are expanding by assimilation, and other - by replacement. Actually, there are just different proportions of assimilation and replacement (for no one is pure assimilator or replacer).


It is unwise to judge realistic analyses and preparations as a lust for war. There are no two sides to the nuclear debate: no one is "for" war; everyone is against it - some categorically so and others only to the degree that it does not result in an even less desirable alternative. It is immoral from almost any point of view to refuse to defend yourself and others from very grave and terrible threats, even as there are limits to the means that can be used in such defense.

I said nothing of lust for war. My point was simple. If the situation for Russia was as good as you are pretending, you would not be talking of escalation.


We are against nuclear war. We are against even conventional wars or any other form of violence. But, there are alternatives much more worse than a nuclear war, and two of them (at least from our point of view) - is to leave twenty million of Russian people under control of anti-Russian regime, and to allow NATO militarise Eastern Europe and attack Russia.



In our reality our military losses are lesser than the death rate from traffic accidents.

So, why all the dramatic talk? Just keep on rolling and you win.

It's almost like there is a disconnect between your words and your ...other words.

You should be doing NOTHING but pre-emptive gloating in these threads.



"Cut a deal" make sense only if two conditions are fulfilled - both sides can control "their" assets (which is definitely not true in the case of Trump and Zelenskiy, and almost certain isn't true in the case of Putin and, say, Odessa underground) and the final result of the deal isn't worse than the final result of "meatgrinder".
The diplomats can talk about different things, but it hardly will change a thing on the ground.

If Zelenski tries to wag the dog, he will undercut his own support from Trump.

IN that case, that works out great for Russia. If you really believe that is an issue, the obvious thing would be for Putin to PLAY the willing partner in peace, and let Zelenski blow it up.


The propaganda and diplomatic... ... .... ammo that would hand you and putin would be like Christmas.



Previous times, bad deals with the West caused the much more significant losses.
It might be, and looks like it will be, the lesser evil. Sad, but true. And, "ten millions killed, Russian decisive victory" is just a one cartrige in six chambers.
Other five chances are: "America alleviated without forcing Russia to use nukes at all" (3/6), "America alleviated after first Russian nuckear attack against French and British nuclear bases". (1/6), "America accepted generous Russian peace proposals without retaliation, and lose Alaska and California, after losing significant part of nuclear arsenal after Russian limited counter-force strike" (1/6).

You know, it was realistic back in 1979, and its even more realistic now, with much more vulnerable American nuclear forces and with much more precise Russian missiles.
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Putin is not a Stalin to piss away ten million of his own people. If nothing else, Putin doesn't have STALIN'S level of control, he would, rightfully, fear loss of support from his own power structure.
 
I said nothing of lust for war. My point was simple. If the situation for Russia was as good as you are pretending, you would not be talking of escalation.
Right now situation is more or less good. But you increasing support of Kievan regime might easily make it worse. And in this case - escalation (for de-escalation) might become the only way to win.

So, why all the dramatic talk?

Sorry. Please, excuse my poor English. It wasn't supposed to sound dramatical. It was supposed to sound plain, calm and professional.
Just keep on rolling and you win.
That's exactly what we are going to do if nothing goes wrong.

It's almost like there is a disconnect between your words and your ...other words.

You should be doing NOTHING but pre-emptive gloating in these threads.
I like America. I don't want to see it nuked. Thats all.

If Zelenski tries to wag the dog, he will undercut his own support from Trump.

Really? He already demonstrated Trump his middle finger, refused to sign any resource deals and continued air-strikes on Russian energy infrastructure.
IN that case, that works out great for Russia. If you really believe that is an issue, the obvious thing would be for Putin to PLAY the willing partner in peace, and let Zelenski blow it up.


The propaganda and diplomatic... ... .... ammo that would hand you and putin would be like Christmas.
Trump simply doesn't control Ukraine, and he barely controls the USA.

Putin is not a Stalin to piss away ten million of his own people. If nothing else, Putin doesn't have STALIN'S level of control, he would, rightfully, fear loss of support from his own power structure.
Stalin neither was a Dark Lord, sending millions of Zombies in the battle. Putin doesn't need to "send" people to fight. All he needs is "unleash" them. His own power structures (as well as significant part of civilians) do want to fight and win WWIII to make the world safer and better.

And no, in public opinion Putin is "New Stalin".




"But the new day came,
And our Lord ressurected,
We'll take our Kalashnikov and
Chain Armor from the shelf,
And this time the world
will be destroyed!
For you'd forgotten -
We are still the Orks!"
 
Really? He already demonstrated Trump his middle finger, refused to sign any resource deals and continued air-strikes on Russian energy infrastructure.
Trump simply doesn't control Ukraine
Russia and the US can talk about Ukraine and when any result is reached, Putin will give an order and it will be executed by Russian troops that minute. Trump can't give an order, and even if he does, it doesn't mean it will be carried out by Ukraine. How to negotiate under such conditions?
And no, in public opinion Putin is "New Stalin".
As one picture on the Internet, which I'm too lazy to look up, says, “We are dissatisfied with Putin not because he is Stalin, but because he is not Stalin enough.”
And I would add, unfortunately, not Stalin at all....
 
Russia and the US can talk about Ukraine and when any result is reached, Putin will give an order and it will be executed by Russian troops that minute. Trump can't give an order, and even if he does, it doesn't mean it will be carried out by Ukraine. How to negotiate under such conditions?
To be fair, if Putin gives the order not to return our territories as they are described in Constitution (including Kherson and Zaporozhye) without more or less understandable plan how he is going to return them (another Khasavyurt) highly likely he'll lose his position and his life. May be not immediately, but quite soon. What is more important, Putin hardly can control significant part of Russian underground in Kievan controlled regions of Ukraine (like Odessa or Kharkov). If they feel themselves betrayed and cornered by Kievan regime - there, quite possible, will be open rebellion.

As one picture on the Internet, which I'm too lazy to look up, says, “We are dissatisfied with Putin not because he is Stalin, but because he is not Stalin enough.”
And I would add, unfortunately, not Stalin at all....
Real Stalin wasn't something like his idealised image, either. There were a lot of diplomatic games and undirect actions either. Not that I'm satisfied with Putin.
 
Real Stalin wasn't something like his idealised image, either. There were a lot of diplomatic games and undirect actions either. Not that I'm satisfied with Putin.
The main thing is that Stalin was a communist, socialism was being built in the country, and the country's wealth belonged to the people.
Now Russia is a capitalist country with all the inherent flaws of capitalism.
 
Right now situation is more or less good. But you increasing support of Kievan regime might easily make it worse. And in this case - escalation (for de-escalation) might become the only way to win.

Except, you keep talking about how Zelenski wants to NOT listen to Trump. And it is worth noting, NATO has serious internal issues right now. Both serious factors that, if the situation was as good for you as you pretend, you would be happy to just play along with Trump till it blows up in HIS face.

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Except, you keep talking about how Zelenski wants to NOT listen to Trump. And it is worth noting, NATO has serious internal issues right now. Both serious factors that, if the situation was as good for you as you pretend, you would be happy to just play along with Trump till it blows up in HIS face.

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Zelenskiy doesn't want to listen to Trump, and NATO have serious internal issues only because they had come tonthe edge of abyss and looked down in it. The most sober and the most informed western decision-makers started to understand where did they come. And some of them understood it because, among other things, Russians have been saying them, plain and simple, officially and unofficially - "one more step eastward, b@stards, and you f#ckingly dead" (and both Russian military and Russian Civil Defence started to make proper preparations).

But, the beginng of the understanding is not enough (whatever Dmitriev said). You guys are still dancing and jumping, stoned like a sh1t, on the pretty thin ice, just with a bit different song. And to survive you need to do something, not just realise the gravity of your situation. And, it seems to me, Trump (and his administration) can't do a thing for they are not in control even of the USA.
 
Zelenskiy doesn't want to listen to Trump, and NATO have serious internal issues only because they had come tonthe edge of abyss and looked down in it. The most sober and the most informed western decision-makers started to understand where did they come. And some of them understood it because, among other things, Russians have been saying them, plain and simple, officially and unofficially - "one more step eastward, b@stards, and you f#ckingly dead" (and both Russian military and Russian Civil Defence started to make proper preparations).

But, the beginng of the understanding is not enough (whatever Dmitriev said). You guys are still dancing and jumping, stoned like a sh1t, on the pretty thin ice, just with a bit different song. And to survive you need to do something, not just realise the gravity of your situation. And, it seems to me, Trump (and his administration) can't do a thing for they are not in control even of the USA.

Give it a couple of weeks adn we can revisit this, see if events have progressed.
 
The main thing is that Stalin was a communist, socialism was being built in the country, and the country's wealth belonged to the people.
Stalins system was nice, but it was built, significantly, because of Russian Empire gold and knowledge of American engineers. Stalin did what was possible to do in his circumstances, and, may be, there were many possible ways to make it better. That's why there are so many "alternative history" books about Stalin's time.

But in different place Stalin would do something different. Did you read Harry Turteldave's "Joe Steele"?



Now Russia is a capitalist country with all the inherent flaws of capitalism.
Both capitalism and socialism are not that different from each other. Its all about people controlling other people. And as for me, money is quite comfortable and effective way to control other people. When you want people to do something you don't tell them fairy tales about The Future Kingdom of the Social Justice, you don't threat them like the Enemies of People, you don't search what they actually need to avard them, you just pay them money and allow them to buy for those money whatever they want. Simple and effective. It has its disadvantages, of course, it can be modernized, but in general terms it is good.
 
Give it a couple of weeks adn we can revisit this, see if events have progressed.
No problem. But if there is no any progress until May, 9, you go to a bar and buy drinks for $100 for random people and ask them to drink for Zavulon. Is it acceptable?
 
No problem. But if there is no any progress until May, 9, you go to a bar and buy drinks for $100 for random people and ask them to drink for Zavulon. Is it acceptable?


I will grant your win, your wisdom and... I will try to think of something close enough to sate you on that.
 

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