Hard to hold elections when a good part of your country is occupied.
Friends might advise them to quit but would never force them to quit. They are adults and will have to live there after the war ends.
Perhaps another GREAT JOB Trump - apparently on the phone with Putin, and an hour later they had a cease fire agreement.
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Can you do it in the long term?
Really? Isn't Putin wanted by the ICC? Russian oligarch's have had their assets seized. Following the invasion of Ukraine, many countries, particularly in Europe, have implemented travel restrictions for Russian citizens, including bans on entry for tourism or other non-essential purposes, and tightened visa requirements.
Do Ukrainians feel the same? I think not.
As the costs continue to rise. A Pyrrhic victory? Are Ukrainians in their own country considered terrorists? I think that would apply to the Russians.
Might become Russia's Afghanistan.
We did it, in the civil war.
The fact remains. We don't know what the UKRAINIAN people want.
I've seen too many libs gloat about the weakening being done to Russia, by this long and bloody war, to buy your pretense of just deferring to them.
You are taking ADVANTAGE of them, and trust ZELENSKI, becasue he is saying what you want to hear, not because you think it is right.
The South did not.
What would you have advised Washington at Valley Forge? Hey, I'm happy about any weakening of Russia. They are not our friends.
So, you're equating Ukraine with the rebels? Interesting....
Couldn't say. Haven't studies the siutaiton.
And that's a self serving motive.
Rebels are only patriots that didn't succeed.
Serves me, serves the US, serves Ukraine, and serves democracy. A win/win/win/win. It might even serve the Russian people in the long run.
Yes. Why not? Russia, allied with China is unbeatable economically, China, allied with Russia is unbeatable millitarily.
And the heck do care about ICC?
Yachts and villas are not actually "assets". They, usually, don't generate money. It's more symbols of wealth, not the wealth itself. True wealth is, for example, land with all resources. And the real wealth is acquiring in former Ukraine. To say more - by stealing Russian property West is destroying the basis of its current wealth. Say, I have some property in Italy and in Japan. My property in Italy was "frozen", and after "warming" in Russian-Italian relationships I'm going to visit Italy, send this person to swim in concrete flippers, and took from his heirs at least double price. My property in Kioto wasn't frozen (even if Tokyo's regime tried to do it), and it still continue generate little but useful profit. So, those Japanese guys improved their reputation and I'll continue to work with them (and will invest more).
No problems. You should pay for privilege of inviting Russian tourists. For recreation proposes Maldives, Japan or China are not worse.
My Mom was Ukrainian, and it was she who told me this (same way feel my friends and relatives from Kherson, Mariupol and Odessa). The boss of my boss, born in a small village in Lvov region - think that Ukrainians are another ethnic group, but this difference isn't important.
And profits are high, too.
No. After annexation of the whole Ukraine we'll have more soldiers than before it.
In fact, yes.
From your point of view, say, Russian NRBC-expert, teaching carthel's militants to use biological weapons will definitely be a "terrorist".
No. Things in Western Ukraine might get messy, but only if we don't normalise relationships with EU. And if we didn't normalise them, more likely there will be more problems with Spanish or German militants in Spain and Germany.
Altruism? Nope, it is you who know what is best for others, not I.
Russia is a 3rd world county with nuclear weapons. They have nothing to offer China by ostracism.
I Putin wishes to travel he needs to care about the reach of the ICC.
Those yachts and villas are being sold to finance Ukraine's war with Russia. In English that spells irony.
Those 'soldiers' might be unhappy that their homes were destroyed, their friends and family killed, and that they're second class citizens in their own country.
Russia has a lot of useful things, but the most important, yes, it's nukes. If China isn't protected by Russia, the USA will be able to keep Taiwan and even bend China militarily.
If Putin wishes to travel he (his team) needs to care about many things. And no, its much easier to eliminate the ICC.
My villa wasn't sold (it was "frozen"), but anyway, by stealing Russians' property you are just create more problems for yourself. It's not the safest behaviour - to steal from Russians,
If you think they are happy now, to die for Zelenskiy's money - think one more time.
And no, killed friends and family is a bad thing, but five million roubles is five million rubles.
That would be true except China is a nuclear power and, I'd bet, they keep their arsenal in much better shape than the corrupt Russians can afford to.
Good luck with that.
Right, because only Russian oligarchs can steal from Russians.
Before making alliance with Russia China was quite weak nuclear power. Actually, they didn't even have alert nuclear forces. They didn't have neither credible first strike capability, nor credible second strike capability.
Good luck, and American help. Right now America also works about it.
And even for Russian oligarchs it's not safe.
You position is one of just deferring to ukraine, giving them a blank check of support, out of supposed altruism.
But, you admit to having a selfish interest.
Never claimed any altruism, just my self-interest. I want a peaceful world for me and my family and I see Russia as a threat to that peace. If the Ukrainian people want to fight that threat, if is certainly in my self-interest to support them.
When I have asked you what you wanted, you have constantly pivoted to "we should just support ukraine, because they are the ones being attacked".
That is a claim of an altruistic motive.
Now you are admiting to wanting something?
To a SELF INTEREST?
Well, better late then never.
So, you do want to bleed russia as a goal for this war policy....
Why did you dodge so often, before?
Russia is a threat for your family (or anybody else in the world) only if you are a threat to Russia.
And if Mexican carthels want to poison and shoot American citizens - is it in the best Russian self-interest to give them better poisons and better weapons?
A threat to Russia or to Russian hegemony?
Russia would have to decide if they want to be aligned with murderous gangsters. They might want to weigh the benefits to them vs the consequences. It is the generally accepted belief here that Russia interfered with the 2016 US election. It won them a friend, Trump, and a whole bunch of enemies. Was it worth it?
No, it is not. It is my opinion of which side has the moral high ground.
Bleeding Russia may pave the way for a collapse of Putin and his autocratic oligarchs. If that happens EVERYONE will benefit, Ukraine, Russia, the Russian people, the West, etc. Only the oligarchs will lose.
Russian hegemony? Wow! Didn't you know that Russia is poor and insignificant country, something like Nigeria or Italy?
You are aligned with murderous gangsters and Neo-Nazi, we also have right to use any tools.
Same thing is correct about your current support of Kievan regime. You support them - you face the consequences.
Really? How so? Few Russian "influencers" have changed minds of millions of American voters more effectively than all those fake news medias with multimillion budgets? However smart and professional, Russians are not magicians. And one average American journalist or blogger can manipulate American better than 10 good Russian "experts".
I don't think Trump is Russia's friend. I believe that he (or any other Potus) try to act for the benefits of the USA, as far as he can understand, but both his understanding and his capabilities to control the USA are quite limited.
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