Perhaps another GREAT JOB Trump - apparently on the phone with Putin, and an hour later they had a cease fire agreement.

But, you know that's not happening, so what you want is the war to just continue on and on, right?
Why believe in Russia and act warlike towards Canada? It sounds like Trump likes wars closer to home. Why do you support sending troops to Canada, when we have none in Ukraine?
 
Why aren't you on the front line Russian pig fucker?
I'm a bit more valuable and a bit more expensive than an ordinary grunt. My military speciality is NRBC-scout, and I'm good one. They'll summon me in regular military service or hire in PMC when it comes to chemical, biological or nuclear warfare in English, French or Japanese-speaking countries.

And why are you not in the Ukrainian trenches, my little animal-defender?
 
Why believe in Russia and act warlike towards Canada? It sounds like Trump likes wars closer to home. Why do you support sending troops to Canada, when we have none in Ukraine?

I said nothing of "believing russia".

YOU said you wanted russia to leave ukaine. But you know that's not going to happen, so what you REALLY wanted, was endless war.


Your position on this policy is so bad, that you can only defend it, by lying about it.
 
My point is, that if Trump fails and the war just continues, that is what you lefties wanted.

So, why so much whining?
Speaking only for me, I want Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and Ukraine to become a NATO member. That is the only way I see of guaranteeing their sovereignty in the long term. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight we should support them in any why possible.

If Russia decides they want security and not an empire, they can join NATO too.
 
Shit either way it's a start. But I get it, Trump promised an end within 24 hrs. after his election. Stand up if you ever believed that.

If you don't think Trump has the ability to negotiate an end, then stand up as well. Otherwise, yeah, USA made the right decision. We sure as fk did too.

Left need to prepare themselves (cough, it's on-going) for their shots at Trump when it finally ends. "But but Trump gave Putin (insert left), he's a threat to democracy and stuff.


Just one problem, the US and Russia aren't at war..... the ceasefire doesn't need to be between the US and Russia.
 
I said nothing of "believing russia".

YOU said you wanted russia to leave ukaine. But you know that's not going to happen, so what you REALLY wanted, was endless war.


Your position on this policy is so bad, that you can only defend it, by lying about it.
You’re always taking Ruzzia‘s side, Ivan!
 
Speaking only for me, I want Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and Ukraine to become a NATO member. That is the only way I see of guaranteeing their sovereignty in the long term. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight we should support them in any why possible.

If Russia decides they want security and not an empire, they can join NATO too.
Actually, NATO membership can't guarantee a thing. If anybody thinks that sovereignity includes the right to kill Russians - he should think one more time.
There are only three things that can more or less "guarantee" relative sovereignity of the Ukrainian leftovers - denazification, demilitarization and totally neutral (or Russia-friendly) status.
Why are the Ukrainains fighting? There three main reasons: 1) some of them doesn't have a choice - borders are closed and man-hunters hunt them; 2) some of them are getting paid for killing Russians; 3) some of them (absolute minority) just hate Russians.

Open borders, and allow those who don't want to fight leave Ukraine. De-fund Ukrainain Army, and allow those who prefer peace job - peacefully work. And then you'll see how many Ukrainians actually want to fight Russia (and we'll kill them all without significant collateral damage). Your "help" just increase the suffer of Ukrainian people.
 
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Actually, NATO membership can't guarantee a thing. If anybody thinks that sovereignity includes the right to kill Russians - he should think one more time.
There are only three things that can more or less "guarantee" relative sovereignity of the Ukrainian leftovers - denazification, demilitarization and totally neutral (or Russia-friendly) status.
Why are the Ukrainains fighting? There three main reasons: 1) some of them doesn't have a choice - borders are closed and man-hunters hunt them; 2) some of them are getting paid for killing Russians; 3) some of them (absolute minority) just hate Russians.

Open borders, and allow those who don't want to fight leave Ukraine. De-fund Ukrainain Army, and allow those who prefer peace job - peacefully work. And then you'll see how many Ukrainians actually want to fight Russia.
No Russians will die, if they leave Ukraine.
 
No Russians will die, if they leave Ukraine.
Really? Did you find the fountain of immortality or something? Of course local Russians will die (just recall the Odessa massacre and Donbass shelling). What is even more important - if there will be NATO forces in Ukraine, there will be nuclear war with NATO not later than at 2030, and at much more worse for Russia terms.
We all know, that there is neither dignity, nor safety in the appeasement of evil. And you are evil (at least that's how the Russians see you now).
 
Speaking only for me, I want Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and Ukraine to become a NATO member. That is the only way I see of guaranteeing their sovereignty in the long term. If the Ukrainians are willing to fight we should support them in any why possible.

If Russia decides they want security and not an empire, they can join NATO too.

Thanks for a real answer, but you sort of missed my point.

IF That is what you want, and you don't believe that Trump can make a peace deal, then what happens then is that the aid continues and the war continues and Russia continues to bleed.

So, I ask again, why all the complaining and attacking.

Simple predict failure and be glad at failure and advocate for your position, instead of the shit we've been seeing like whining about Trump or maga being on putin's side or the 24 hours comment.
 
You’re always taking Ruzzia‘s side, Ivan!

And more lies.

It is all you have.

When you have to lie this much, as you are doing, how can you not realize that means you are on teh wrong side?
 
Actually, NATO membership can't guarantee a thing.
Actually it can. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, Russia would never have invaded.

If anybody thinks that sovereignity includes the right to kill Russians - he should think one more time.
Wrong again. Sovereignty includes the right to kill Russians, and anyone else, that trespass on your territory.

There are only three things that can more or less "guarantee" relative sovereignity of the Ukrainian leftovers - denazification, demilitarization and totally neutral (or Russia-friendly) status.
Why are the Ukrainains fighting? There three main reasons: 1) some of them doesn't have a choice - borders are closed and man-hunters hunt them; 2) some of them are getting paid for killing Russians; 3) some of them (absolute minority) just hate Russians.
Or they are trying to keep their independence and don't want to join the Russian Empire as subject peoples. Why are the Russian soldiers fighting? For the majority I'd say it is because they don't have a choice.

Open borders, and allow those who don't want to fight leave Ukraine. De-fund Ukrainain Army, and allow those who prefer peace job - peacefully work. And then you'll see how many Ukrainians actually want to fight Russia (and we'll kill them all without significant collateral damage). Your "help" just increase the suffer of Ukrainian people.
Turn the Russian army into a volunteer army and see how many of them choice to leave the army.
 
Thanks for a real answer, but you sort of missed my point.

IF That is what you want, and you don't believe that Trump can make a peace deal, then what happens then is that the aid continues and the war continues and Russia continues to bleed.

So, I ask again, why all the complaining and attacking.

Simple predict failure and be glad at failure and advocate for your position, instead of the shit we've been seeing like whining about Trump or maga being on putin's side or the 24 hours comment.
So long as the Ukrainians are willing to fight and the war continues and Russia continues to bleed, I see that as all good things. Russia is being lead by an autocratic oligarch so the weaker it becomes the more peaceful and secure the world will be.
 
So long as the Ukrainians are willing to fight and the war continues and Russia continues to bleed, I see that as all good things. Russia is being lead by an autocratic oligarch so the weaker it becomes the more peaceful and secure the world will be.

So, you are fine with the way things are going then.

So, why so much drama from the left?
 
How is supporting a democracy against a dictator ‘being on the wrong side’?

Because Ukraine is unlikely to win. YOu are spending their lives, for no good reason.
 
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