Perhaps another GREAT JOB Trump - apparently on the phone with Putin, and an hour later they had a cease fire agreement.

[Correll]

Yep. Russia will take Europe, and America will keep Alaska and California. Its good deal and its real. Next offer will be worse.

Russia cannot take Europe. Ukaine was too hard. I doubt that Poland would be any easier. Poland sounds like some people that have their heads screwed on right. They sound like they have been getting ready just in case.

In the matter of fact, the motto "we can repeat" (refering to WWII, and meaning that even forty million killed is an acceptable for victory) is quite popular in Russia.
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It is nice that you celebrate the bravery of your ancestors.

Neither of us are equal to the nation of our fathers. It is silly to pretend that we are.

It's obviously lesser than even one million killed, so you shouldn't even start the game you can't finish.

Actually, i think that the idiot dems would be happy to piss away ALL the ukrainians. THey just don't give a fuck about human life.

 

[Correll]

When did the war start?


As I said, Ukraine gets nothing but gives a lot.


That is opinion, not fact.


Again I answered this, I'm willing to pay as much as the Ukrainians are willing to pay.

And in every step, drill down even a little, and the lefty in question just refuses to engage.

 

[alang1216]

And in every step, drill down even a little, and the lefty in question just refuses to engage.

While the righty bitches and moans and refuses to answer the question.

 

[Correll]

While the righty bitches and moans and refuses to answer the question.

You refuse to discuss if your desired policy results are worth the cost in ukrainian lives.

That is the crux of the matter.

And you just refuse to discuss it.

 

[alang1216]

You refuse to discuss if your desired policy results are worth the cost in ukrainian lives.

That is the crux of the matter.

And you just refuse to discuss it.

How many ways do I have say "every one"?

 

[Correll]

How many ways do I have say "every one"?

YOu refuse to discuss if your end goals are worth the cost in ukrainian lives.

A vague sentence fragement, out of context, is not a rebuttal.


It is... shit talk.

 

[alang1216]

YOu refuse to discuss if your end goals are worth the cost in ukrainian lives.

A vague sentence fragement, out of context, is not a rebuttal.


It is... shit talk.

YES!!

 

[Zavulon]

When did the war start?

At least in 2007, when NATO openly declared that they want Ukraine.

As I said, Ukraine gets nothing but gives a lot.

Yep. The greed and stupidity is the most expensive things in the world, for you pay the highest price for it.

That is opinion, not fact.

Actually, its just wishful thinking, not even "opinion".

Again I answered this, I'm willing to pay as much as the Ukrainians are willing to pay.

And if 30% of Americans killed is an acceptable price for Kievan regime - are you ready to pay it?
And don't you think, that $200 Bns which makes more than $150K for every US soldier, would be better investment in the American safety? I just don't understand the logic of investment in foreign (not that friendly) armies, when your own Army is underfeed and your Vets are homeless.

 

[Zavulon]

Nope. Haven't bothered. Sorry.


Seems like a lot of effort.

Seems like the way to recognise that you was wrong, after all those loud words about "large sum of money" and your faith in Trump and his plan.

That's mostly bullshit. The indian "genocides" was mostly just diseases that they were "virgin fields" to. Like over 90% of it was from that, if I recall correctly.

We are talking about the practical outcome. The Slavic colonisation of Russian plains in first millennium and Siberia (plus Far East and Middle Asia) in second millennium were significantly alike the Latin colonisation of South and Middle America. You know, like a "melting pot". You hardly can say what is an exact percentage of Indian genes in a random Latinoamerican or what is exact percentage of pre-Slavic genes in a random Russian. Usually, it's rather significant. But the percentage of Indian genes in a random citizen of the USA is elusive low (most often it's exactly zero). That's what we call "genocide". And I don't think that you would like, if the next wave of North American colonists will eliminate the current population with biological weapons, poisons abd economical coerction rather than with superior conventional weapons. I do love Anglo-America (mostly as a cultural fenomena), I do hate drug-dealers, but I have to admit that there is a some kind of poetical justice in their actions.

That's fine. You will see. You would be rebuilding your military either way, but you will not need it vs NATO.

If NATO see us as their enemy, we, definitely see them as our enemies. And if an enemy doesn't surrender - it have to be eliminated. That's why NATO will be eliminated.

We'll leave Europe when they ask US, or they piss us off too much. Either could happen at any moment.

And fuck mexico. THey are assholes.

But do you have dick big enough to f#ck Mexico or you are going to be f#cked by them?

 

[Zavulon]

Russia cannot take Europe. Ukaine was too hard. I doubt that Poland would be any easier. Poland sounds like some people that have their heads screwed on right. They sound like they have been getting ready just in case.

Poland will be much, much easier. Most of Poles are our "cousins", not the part of our own people. We are not going to be that nice and self-restricted with them. We won't slap their bullocks gently and educatively (as we do with Ukrainians), we'll simply knock them out by a face punch if they decided to come one to one, or if the whole European buomass try to come - we'll eliminate them by our machine gun (nuclear weapons). If the American machine-gunner is also in game - we'll first shoot him with a sniper-rifle and then - eliminate Europeans.

It is nice that you celebrate the bravery of your ancestors.

Neither of us are equal to the nation of our fathers. It is silly to pretend that we are.

May be you are not equal. We are. May be, we'll even prove that we are better than they (by the final eradication of the European threat).

 

[alang1216]

And if 30% of Americans killed is an acceptable price for Kievan regime - are you ready to pay it?
And don't you think, that $200 Bns which makes more than $150K for every US soldier, would be better investment in the American safety? I just don't understand the logic of investment in foreign (not that friendly) armies, when your own Army is underfeed and your Vets are homeless.

I do not take Russian nuclear threats seriously. Whatever happens in Ukraine is not an existential threat to Russia but the use of nuclear weapons is.

 

[Zavulon]

I do not take Russian nuclear threats seriously.

But if they are serious - do you accept this price? Like, say, Russia make a nuclear testing and send all their SSBNs to Canada's waters (with possible goal to nuke out US nuclear forces).

Whatever happens in Ukraine is not an existential threat to Russia

NATO forces in Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia.

but the use of nuclear weapons is.

No. If they attack the USA first (by a limited counter-force strike with further generous peace offer), in optimistic scenario they are coercing the USA into Russia-prefered (but mutually acceptable) peace without US retaliation. In realistic scenario they force the USA in unconditional surrender (after limited US retaliation strike, losing less than one million civilians killed) and in the pessimistic scenario Russia will lose lesser than forty million killed, but the USA, Australia , New Zealand and the Great Britain will suffer total annihilation (with further recolonisation of their territories with other peoples).

 

[Correll]

Seems like the way to recognise that you was wrong, after all those loud words about "large sum of money" and your faith in Trump and his plan.

If I am wrong, I will admit it. I am not a shit talker.

We are talking about the practical outcome....

Filthy sailors showing up and breathing, is not genocide. Their are not many indians in modern America, because there were not many indians here in the first place and tehn most of them died from disease.

That is the story of the indians. Focusing on the small effect of the fighting that occured, is a choice many anti-Americans make.

If NATO see us as their enemy, we, definitely see them as our enemies. And if an enemy doesn't surrender - it have to be eliminated. That's why NATO will be eliminated.

HIstory says otherwise. England and France were bloodly enemies for centuries. Then things changed and they stopped being enemies.

We can make choices to make that more likely.

But do you have dick big enough to f#ck Mexico or you are going to be f#cked by them?

Yes. Very much so. If we can suppress the idiots of our own, ie the leftards. We have the military and economic strength. The question is, which side our poliitcal elite is on. For a long time, they were on the side of the mexicans. Now MAGA is in charge and we are on the side of AMERICANS.

 

[Correll]

Poland will be much, much easier. Most of Poles are our "cousins", not the part of our own people. We are not going to be that nice and self-restricted with them. We won't slap their bullocks gently and educatively (as we do with Ukrainians), we'll simply knock them out by a face punch if they decided to come one to one, or if the whole European buomass try to come - we'll eliminate them by our machine gun (nuclear weapons). If the American machine-gunner is also in game - we'll first shoot him with a sniper-rifle and then - eliminate Europeans.

OR, just saying, we could NOT do that.

YOu put any value on the lives of yoru fellow russians?

May be you are not equal. We are. May be, we'll even prove that we are better than they (by the final eradication of the European threat).

If nothing else, our women aren't having the replacements we need to keep our cultures growing. That's the real problem we are BOTH facing.

Denial is a form of coping. It is not a solution.

 

[alang1216]

But if they are serious - do you accept this price? Like, say, Russia make a nuclear testing and send all their SSBNs to Canada's waters (with possible goal to nuke out US nuclear forces).

We have a saying: if pigs had wings they could fly.

NATO forces in Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia.

BS. What about NATO in Turkey, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, or Poland?

No. If they attack the USA first (by a limited counter-force strike with further generous peace offer), in optimistic scenario they are coercing the USA into Russia-prefered (but mutually acceptable) peace without US retaliation. In realistic scenario they force the USA in unconditional surrender (after limited US retaliation strike, losing less than one million civilians killed) and in the pessimistic scenario Russia will lose lesser than forty million killed, but the USA, Australia , New Zealand and the Great Britain will suffer total annihilation (with further recolonisation of their territories with other peoples).

No US president will accept such an attack. The military, industry, and government of Russia will be destroyed.

 

[Zavulon]

If I am wrong, I will admit it. I am not a shit talker.

Really? And what about money? Are you ready gave away $100 for being wrong? If you don't want to gave it to charity, you can come to a bar, gave it to barmen and ask visitors drink for the health of Zavulon, a smart guy from internet.

Filthy sailors showing up and breathing, is not genocide.

Elimination of genes is genocide. It doesn't matter how exactly you do it.

Their are not many indians in modern America, because there were not many indians here in the first place and tehn most of them died from disease.

There were not many indians in the South America and not many Finns on Russian plain. But their genes survived and multiplicated.

That is the story of the indians. Focusing on the small effect of the fighting that occured, is a choice many anti-Americans make.

Right now the next waves of colonists decrease number of WASPs without significant direct fighting. Drugs, diseases, economical containment and so on ... Does it make you happy?

HIstory says otherwise. England and France were bloodly enemies for centuries. Then things changed and they stopped being enemies.

I agree, its neither English or French proverb. Its Russian. And no, we see examples of England and France as not very attractive.

We can make choices to make that more likely.

The choice is simple. The world order with equal rights and equal safety, or fight until elimination/surrender of one side

Yes. Very much so. If we can suppress the idiots of our own, ie the leftards. We have the military and economic strength. The question is, which side our poliitcal elite is on. For a long time, they were on the side of the mexicans. Now MAGA is in charge and we are on the side of AMERICANS.

I don't see any practical evidence of it. Actually, it seems as the empty rhetoric.

 

[Correll]

Really? And what about money? Are you ready gave away $100 for being wrong? If you don't want to gave it to charity, you can come to a bar, gave it to barmen and ask visitors drink for the health of Zavulon, a smart guy from internet.

Maybe. I am still hoping to be right.

Elimination of genes is genocide. It doesn't matter how exactly you do it.

A crime requires intent. Dumb sailors breathing, is not intent.

There were not many indians in the South America and not many Finns on Russian plain. But their genes survived and multiplicated.

There were a lot more indians in Mexico and South America. The Aztecs and Incans had cities and empires. And they thus survived as part of the population despite the massive waves of disease.

Right now the next waves of colonists decrease number of WASPs without significant direct fighting. Drugs, diseases, economical containment and so on ... Does it make you happy?

No, it doesn't. It actually makes me quite UNhappy, that we are falling for the same stupid shit that the indians and mexicans fell for.

I agree, its neither English or French proverb. Its Russian. And no, we see examples of England and France as not very attractive.

WHy not? THey stopped killing each other and instead built massive globe spanning empires that brought great wealth to their people. They are still today, centuries later, richer than your country.

What about centuries of wealth for your people, turns off the russian heart?

GT

The choice is simple. The world order with equal rights and equal safety, or fight until elimination/surrender of one side

Or, live with not getting your way. But LIVE.

I don't see any practical evidence of it. Actually, it seems as the empty rhetoric.

We are only a few months in. Give US a chance.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Zavulon]

Maybe. I am still hoping to be right.

Zelenskiy already refused to sign his own death sentence and Putin already said, that there are all reasons to believe that we won't "coerce" them, we'll "finish" them. Hope is nice, but I don't actually see any reasons to believe in such possibility.

A crime requires intent. Dumb sailors breathing, is not intent.

Genocide, as well as natural selection, doesn't necessarily mean "intentions". Vice versa, I'm pretty sure that average British colonist in America in XVII century had much better intentions, and was, in genery, better person (from the modern point of view) than any average Slavic colonist on the Russian plain in VII century, and may be even a better person than an average Spanish colonist in the South America XVII century. But... You know, the road to hell is pawed with good intentions. In the long run Spanish colonisation wasn't genocidal, and English colonisation was genocidal. Nothing personal, no morals or something. I don't say that you are bad. But I do say, that your culture is genocidal. It's simply the fact. It is what you are.

There were a lot more indians in Mexico and South America. The Aztecs and Incans had cities and empires. And they thus survived as part of the population despite the massive waves of disease.

Yes. That's was the difference between Spanish and British colonisations.

No, it doesn't. It actually makes me quite UNhappy, that we are falling for the same stupid shit that the indians and mexicans fell for.

And what are you going to do about it?

WHy not? THey stopped killing each other and instead built massive globe spanning empires that brought great wealth to their people. They are still today, centuries later, richer than your country.

Actually, they are not "richer" in any meaningful sense.
And no, they are not killing each other only when both sides agreed not to kill each other and agreed not to cross red lines of each other. If NATO stayed beyond Elbe river, as they supposed to be, if pro-NATO Ukrainian militants didn't started mass murders of Russian civilians, may be, there were the possibility of peace. But, if you hire people to kill Russians - you should understand that the Russians will come and kill you. It's simple, I believe.

What about centuries of wealth for your people, turns off the russian heart?

Yep. Soon after the final elimination of the European threat.

Or, live with not getting your way. But LIVE.

Of course we want to live. And this is exactly why we need to eliminate NATO threat (one way, or another). Direct nuclear war between Russia and the USA gives us more chances to survive than allowing NATO in Ukraine and WWIII in not later than 2030.

We are only a few months in. Give US a chance.

We already gave the USA too much, without getting anything but empty rhetoric and stupid threats in return.
The USA can't control Europe, the USA can't control Ukraine and Trump hardly can control the USA.

 

[Correll]

Zelenskiy already refused to sign his own death sentence and Putin already said, that there are all reasons to believe that we won't "coerce" them, we'll "finish" them. Hope is nice, but I don't actually see any reasons to believe in such possibility.

I expect lots of DIPLOMANCY when it comes to peace talks. ie, people will say lots of meaningless shit and then comes to terms.

Zelenski does not strike me as a man who is strong vs pressure. And Putin strikes me as someone who doesn't want to waste good men (or money) on a losing venture.

Genocide, as well as natural selection, doesn't necessarily mean "intentions". Vice versa, I'm pretty sure that average British colonist in America in XVII century had much better intentions, and was, in genery, better person (from the modern point of view) than any average Slavic colonist on the Russian plain in VII century, and may be even a better person than an average Spanish colonist in the South America XVII century. But... You know, the road to hell is pawed with good intentions. In the long run Spanish colonisation wasn't genocidal, and English colonisation was genocidal. Nothing personal, no morals or something. I don't say that you are bad. But I do say, that your culture is genocidal. It's simply the fact. It is what you are.

Except, that GENOCIDE, the word, does mean INTENTION. So, if there was not intention, then there was not genocide.

NOt sure why you are hung up on this.

Yes. That's was the difference between Spanish and British colonisations.

Correct. There were a lot more indians in the spanish areas.

THe spanish areas, where the wealthier and more profitable areas of the Americas. The northern areas the british and french fought over, were NOT the money fountains of the time, ie Sugar, rum, coffee.

And what are you going to do about it?

Fight back.

Actually, they are not "richer" in any meaningful sense.
And no, they are not killing each other only when both sides agreed not to kill each other and agreed not to cross red lines of each other. If NATO stayed beyond Elbe river, as they supposed to be, if pro-NATO Ukrainian militants didn't started mass murders of Russian civilians, may be, there were the possibility of peace. But, if you hire people to kill Russians - you should understand that the Russians will come and kill you. It's simple, I believe.

gdp per capital of 54k vs 15k. That's a LOT RICHER. That is the difference of people living or dying due to proper nutrition or medical care.

Any real russian nationalist would WANT that for their people.

Yep. Soon after the final elimination of the European threat.


Of course we want to live. And this is exactly why we need to eliminate NATO threat (one way, or another). Direct nuclear war between Russia and the USA gives us more chances to survive than allowing NATO in Ukraine and WWIII in not later than 2030.


We already gave the USA too much, without getting anything but empty rhetoric and stupid threats in return.
The USA can't control Europe, the USA can't control Ukraine and Trump hardly can control the USA.

Oooh, no good the way you "forgot" what we were discussing and changed the subject on me to score a point. Such games I expect from dems and leftards.

We were discussing MAGA's attempt to fix America's internal problems. And we are making good progress.