Pelosi Says She Will Impeach President Trump If He Doesn’t Resign “Immediately”

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can give a person a ballot, but you can't make them vote. We have freedom of choice when it comes to voting.
It's still purely voluntary whether they have to work for it, or it's given to them without effort.

Fair involves giving everybody equal opportunity to vote, by making it as easy as possible.

The Democrats are making sure of that. The more people that don't know a thing about our country or policies, the more Democrat votes we will have, and then we're all Fd.

 

[citygator]

Impeachment would be a political mistake which my Dems specialize in. Everyone is against Trump now. Impeach him and a spark of support kicks back up and the right is regalvanized . Keep them on the defensive.

That doesn't make sense at all.

You're saying let him get away with sending goons to overthrow the Congress. Guess what that means for future goons.

I think you make a good point but the time to impeach him was months ago. Now it’s impractical. I say move on, learn from it, and be quick on the trigger the next time. This is like shooting a wolf that ate so many chickens he’s about to die. Waste of a bullet.

 

[U2Edge]

Great. Get Trump out of office ASAP. He's unfit for the job and is a danger to America.

Problem is, that's gonna happen unless he resigns. I am completely against this. It's a waste of time. The House will vote along party lines. You may get a few Republicans to vote with you but it won't be many. You need 2/3rds of the Senate to convict and remove. Unlike the House whose procedures can be sped along, there is due process in the Senate, where there is NO Republican that will want to go down this road again. I really wish progressives could see the bigger picture here. You won. Trump handed you the victory. You have the House Republicans cucked for the moment running for cover. You have Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley who have just had their NUTS handed to them! You take back control of the Senate shortly. Trump is gone in 12 days. The Republicans just got done pissing away every gift they got on November 3rd. You have your boot on their throat. And you're poised to not only let them up, but give them new life in the process.

Trump is gone in 12 days. He's done. He ain't coming back. Wednesday was a sickening day. But the end result is that you just had a bunch of MAGA inbreds not only blow up Trump's future, but kneecap the Republican party. Stupid to risk giving that all back to make a point when it has NO chance of removing him from office. Pence and what's left of the cabinet will NOT invoke the 25th. Let it go. Focus on your upcoming agenda. Let the Republicans eat each other and run from Trump screaming like scalded dogs.

That's a great argument IF you trust that Trump hasn't got more mischief in mind. 12 days is plenty of time. Twitter just permabanned him, so it may slow him down a little, or it may make him so angry that he explodes.

The other thing is, he seems to have dreams of running again and holding on to his base, thereby continuing to control the Democratic party. This was one of his last tweets today:
"The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!"


Twitter felt that could keep his revolutionaries stirred up, and then he tweeted very simply that he would not be attending the Inauguration. That gives the green light to his army to plan another rush there, Twitter suspected.
So I think it's a toss up.

Donald Trump may be soon disqualified from ever holding elected office again.

 

[meaner gene]

But because it exposes your voting education has holes in it, you think it trivial.

No, it apparently means you have no idea of what I'd like to see in this country or why.

It also means when some politician throws out some pie in the sky, utter bullshit as a reason to vote for him, you would buy it, since you don't know what the limits of what's legal for him to actually accomplish.

 

[U2Edge]

Impeachment would be a political mistake which my Dems specialize in. Everyone is against Trump now. Impeach him and a spark of support kicks back up and the right is regalvanized . Keep them on the defensive.

That doesn't make sense at all.

You're saying let him get away with sending goons to overthrow the Congress. Guess what that means for future goons.

I think you make a good point but the time to impeach him was months ago. Now it’s impractical. I say move on, learn from it, and be quick on the trigger the next time. This is like shooting a wolf that ate so many chickens he’s about to die. Waste of a bullet.

The reason to impeach him now is to disqualify him from ever holding elected office again! Many Republicans might find this attractive as it will open up the field for a lot of people in 2024 instead of having Trump dominate everything and be the nominee again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And we shouldn't do anything to encourage it either. If you want to register, register. If you want to vote, go to the polls and vote.

Voting is like free speech. You do not try to silence peoples voices or their votes. The solution for both is to encourage as many voices to educate the electorate. And as many voters to elect the will of the people.

Which will bring us disastrous results like we just had. It's the way the Democrat party wants it.

 

[meaner gene]

That's a great argument IF you trust that Trump hasn't got more mischief in mind. 12 days is plenty of time. Twitter just permabanned him, so it may slow him down a little, or it may make him so angry that he explodes.

You mean like order a nuclear strike on Twitter?
The pentagon admitted they still give the president the nuclear launch codes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It appears that the House and Senate can prevent a President from ever being able to hold elected office in the U.S. government again if they see that person as a threat to the country because of their actions. If the House and Senate pass it, it becomes law. I doubt they would have it in the articles of impeachment if it was not constitutional.

They can't prevent anything unless Trump was committed of a crime while in office. You need 2/3 of the Senate for that during an impeachment.

Impeaching Trump now could bar him from public office in the future.

While it may seem pointless to impeach a president just as he is about to leave office, there could be real consequences for Mr. Trump beyond the stain on his record. If he were convicted, the Senate could vote to bar him from ever holding office again. Following a conviction, the Constitution says the Senate can consider “disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

Only a simple majority of senators would have to agree to successfully disqualify Mr. Trump, who is contemplating another run for president in 2024, an appealing prospect not just to Democrats but to many Republicans who are eyeing their own runs.

How Congress Could Impeach Trump Before His Term Ends (msn.com)



More importantly, the house can wait until the new Senators are seated after Biden is inaugurated to start the trail against Trump in the Senate. They need just 17 Republicans out of 50 to vote with them to convict Trump. Then after that, they just need a simple majority in the House and Senate to disqualify Trump from ever being able to hold elected office in the federal government ever again!

That will never happen. Again, you will never get those Republican Senators because it would be political suicide for most of them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're actually planning to impeach before the official EVEN TAKES OFFICE, let alone commits any act.

You've completely surrendered all claims to objectivity here. Buh bye.

Your party drew first blood; impeaching a President with no impeachable offense or crime committed. I think the Republicans should continue that new precedent with Biden. And if the commies impeach him again, make sure we do the same to Biden or Harris, whoever is the President once we take the House.

 

[meaner gene]

The Democrats are making sure of that. The more people that don't know a thing about our country or policies, the more Democrat votes we will have, and then we're all Fd.

The people that voted for the "supply-siders" knew nothing about economics. You can't increase government revenues by singular tax cuts. The Laffer curve is dynamic, not static, meaning the tax rates would have to constantly change based on changes to GDP.

Their simple one time tax cuts was doomed to fail.

 

[jehanne1431]

they are in favor of many troubling things. Like turning children's’ minds into sexual degenerates, be it our education system or entertainment industry.

The entertainment industry is run by the rich, not by the well educated.
They have diametrically opposite goals.
And except for private colleges and universities, the education system is run by the states, which are run by their elected politicians, not by the highly educated.

Well the professors of your esteemed universities are well educated and 80% of them are flaming liberals who promote some of the most outrageous ideas for society. The vast majority think Israel is the villain. That is an elitist mind that prides itself in its boldness. The same ones who ignore God in all their politics. " For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness." (1 Cor 3:19)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The people that voted for the "supply-siders" knew nothing about economics. You can't increase government revenues by singular tax cuts. The Laffer curve is dynamic, not static, meaning the tax rates would have to constantly change based on changes to GDP.

Their simple one time tax cuts was doomed to fail.

The tax cuts are part of what gave us the best economy in nearly 50 years. Reagan said it best "If you want more of something, subsidize it. If you want less of something, tax it."

 

[meaner gene]

I think you make a good point but the time to impeach him was months ago. Now it’s impractical. I say move on, learn from it, and be quick on the trigger the next time. This is like shooting a wolf that ate so many chickens he’s about to die. Waste of a bullet.

The reason for impeachment doesn't change because the clock is running down.
This is no different from the nurse who was going around killing terminal hospital patients. Under the rational they were going to die pretty soon anyway, so what was the point of keeping them alive for another week, or month.

 

[Pogo]

Impeachment would be a political mistake which my Dems specialize in. Everyone is against Trump now. Impeach him and a spark of support kicks back up and the right is regalvanized . Keep them on the defensive.

That doesn't make sense at all.

You're saying let him get away with sending goons to overthrow the Congress. Guess what that means for future goons.

I think you make a good point but the time to impeach him was months ago. Now it’s impractical. I say move on, learn from it, and be quick on the trigger the next time. This is like shooting a wolf that ate so many chickens he’s about to die. Waste of a bullet.

If it's a good point why did you just evade it?

Sending a mob to overthrow the government deserves response --- true or false?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It also means when some politician throws out some pie in the sky, utter bullshit as a reason to vote for him, you would buy it, since you don't know what the limits of what's legal for him to actually accomplish.

Presidential candidates often campaign "I'm going to this, and I'm going to do that" just like Trump and every other candidate. It doesn't mean they could actually do it, it means that's what they would do if they had the ability. Many times their efforts are stopped by an opposing congress. But it at least gives us a sense of the mindset of the person we are voting for.

 

[meaner gene]

The reason to impeach him now is to disqualify him from ever holding elected office again! Many Republicans might find this attractive as it will open up the field for a lot of people in 2024 instead of having Trump dominate everything and be the nominee again.

Republicans also won't have their previous excuses available. Such as Susan Collins saying that Trump learned his lesson. And the majority saying that congress shouldn't judge the President, but instead that judgement should be left to the people by the upcoming election.

Well the election is over, and the people voted by 81 to 74 to remote the president from office.

So why shouldn't the senate follow the will of the people.

 

[citygator]

Impeachment would be a political mistake which my Dems specialize in. Everyone is against Trump now. Impeach him and a spark of support kicks back up and the right is regalvanized . Keep them on the defensive.

That doesn't make sense at all.

You're saying let him get away with sending goons to overthrow the Congress. Guess what that means for future goons.

I think you make a good point but the time to impeach him was months ago. Now it’s impractical. I say move on, learn from it, and be quick on the trigger the next time. This is like shooting a wolf that ate so many chickens he’s about to die. Waste of a bullet.

If it's a good point why did you just evade it?

Sending a mob to overthrow the government deserves response --- true or false?

Deserves? Sure. Politically the most shrewd move? No. I think the Dems need to be more calculating. They lose incessantly to more shrewd Republicans. Trump fortunately wasn’t calculating.

 

[meaner gene]

And we shouldn't do anything to encourage it either. If you want to register, register. If you want to vote, go to the polls and vote.

Which will bring us disastrous results like we just had. It's the way the Democrat party wants it.

Are you really advocating that government and the people NOT encourage people to register and vote? Along with keeping various historical obstacles to voting in place? That sounds like voter suppression to me.

 

[U2Edge]

It appears that the House and Senate can prevent a President from ever being able to hold elected office in the U.S. government again if they see that person as a threat to the country because of their actions. If the House and Senate pass it, it becomes law. I doubt they would have it in the articles of impeachment if it was not constitutional.

They can't prevent anything unless Trump was committed of a crime while in office. You need 2/3 of the Senate for that during an impeachment.

Impeaching Trump now could bar him from public office in the future.

While it may seem pointless to impeach a president just as he is about to leave office, there could be real consequences for Mr. Trump beyond the stain on his record. If he were convicted, the Senate could vote to bar him from ever holding office again. Following a conviction, the Constitution says the Senate can consider “disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”

Only a simple majority of senators would have to agree to successfully disqualify Mr. Trump, who is contemplating another run for president in 2024, an appealing prospect not just to Democrats but to many Republicans who are eyeing their own runs.

How Congress Could Impeach Trump Before His Term Ends (msn.com)



More importantly, the house can wait until the new Senators are seated after Biden is inaugurated to start the trail against Trump in the Senate. They need just 17 Republicans out of 50 to vote with them to convict Trump. Then after that, they just need a simple majority in the House and Senate to disqualify Trump from ever being able to hold elected office in the federal government ever again!

That will never happen. Again, you will never get those Republican Senators because it would be political suicide for most of them.

Look at Mitt Romney! Doing just fine!

Put it this way, how many of those 50 Republican Senators don't want TRUMP to be the nominee in 2024? I bet there are more than 17 that don't want Trump to be the nominee and this is a way to insure that he will never be the nominee in 2024 or any time after.

 

[jc456]

I disagree. Voting should an obstacle course and frankly, people don’t vote for many reasons beyond apathy. There might be too many obstacles, or they might feel their doesn’t matter, nothing changes, does not mean they are ignorant. On the other hand you can have dutiful voters who vote because it is their civic duty, but are damn ignorant and just follow whatever their leader tells them to do.

I do not think we should mess with anything that discourages voting.

And we shouldn't do anything to encourage it either. If you want to register, register. If you want to vote, go to the polls and vote.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the more people who involve themselves the better, regardless of party. In the process they may learn something. Instead of looking for opportunities to shut them out why not make opportunities to educate and inform?

So why the censorship?