Zone1 Pastor: They’re Not Deceived – Trump Evangelicals Are CHOOSING the Lies

[rightwinger]

Yet Democrats are not practicing that for our president. USAID is not for our citizens

We are talking about Christian values
Humanity does not end at our borders

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Did Trump send a mob to hang Pence?

Quantrill

No, he meant form them to be armed with guns instead of nooses.

Remember when he wanted the maglevs removed, in a city where guns can only be carried concealed with a DC permit?

"They're not here to hurt ME." - Trump

 

[Quantrill]

No, he meant form them to be armed with guns instead of nooses.

Remember when he wanted the maglevs removed, in a city where guns can only be carried concealed with a DC permit?

"They're not here to hurt ME." - Trump

What do you base Trump meant them to be armed with guns instead of nooses on?

Quantrill

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What do you base Trump meant them to be armed with guns instead of nooses on?

Did you not read my post

 

[Quantrill]

Did you not read my post

Yes, I read it. Again, why do you mean Trump meant them to be armed with guns and not nooses? Where did he say that?

Quantrill

 

[SweetSue92]

Hey citygator you never answered my question:

How does one get into Heaven?

 

[citygator]

Hey citygator you never answered my question:

How does one get into Heaven?

According to Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox?

They all are derived from the idea that person enters heaven by God’s grace, received through faith in Jesus Christ. How that is emphasized, demonstrated, and activated varies. None of them believe you can audibly say you've been saved or get baptized and then spend the rest of your life being a shit and get into Heaven.

Grace forgives. Grace transforms. Ongoing, willful, unrepentant sin contradicts genuine faith.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Again, why do you mean Trump meant them to be armed with guns and not nooses?

Already explained in my post

 

[Correll]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

Trump built a platform to appeal to the preceived interests of the American working class and middle class.

The only reason you are confused that that worked, is because you refuse to accept that reasonable people can reasonably disagree with you on policy.

Your mind is closed.

 

[Correll]

A summary of the video.

The retired pastor introduces his message by acknowledging that some of his comments may sound harsh, but he insists he is speaking as someone who struggles with the same moral flaws he critiques. He focuses on why many American evangelicals support Donald Trump despite actions he believes contradict Christian teachings.

Drawing on Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s writings from prison (a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, and anti-Nazi dissident)—especially the idea that “stupidity” (or willful ignorance) is a moral, not intellectual, defect—he argues that the problem isn’t that Trump supporters are unintelligent. Rather, he believes many are choosing to ignore evidence because it conflicts with their desires. He says corrupt leaders succeed because they tell people what they want to hear, appealing to motives like tribalism, cultural dominance, or resentment.

He compares this dynamic to German Christians who supported Hitler, suggesting a similar moral failure may be happening today. However, he emphasizes that persuasion rarely comes through argument. Instead, people change through loving relationships and humility. He concludes that while he is angry about current events, the deeper issue is moral struggle within all of us, and real change requires humility, self-examination, and redemption—not just debate.

Trump built a policy platform that appealed to working class and middle class Americans.

They want their "tribe" to be "culturally dominate". Why should it not be?

And "resentment"? Trump actually DIDN'T use that very much, though lord knows we have plenty of Just Cause to be resentful about.

 

[Quantrill]

Already explained in my post

No you didn't. Where and when did he say that?

Quantrill

 

[August West]

Just remember, Jesus hates Gays and Mexicans, just like Sue does.

He probably doesn`t like pedophiles either.

 

[SaxonJackson]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

 

[DennisPTate]

One of the most disturbing and difficult-to-understand things about this whole period -- perhaps THE most disturbing and difficult-to-understand thing -- for many of us across the political spectrum, Left to Right, is the way evangelicals have supported this vulgar, dishonest, divisive, cruel, awful man. How can they do this, how can they justify this? The Christians in my family who are horrified by what they're seeing are still wrestling with this question.

This is a retired pastor who, in his characteristically calm and civil way, tries to help us understand what is happening here. He doesn't think these people are "stupid". He has a very interesting take, and for those who are interested in this important question, you might find it to be an interesting use of 20 minutes.

I personally have been researching all of this for decades and my rather strong belief is that either President Donald J. Trump is one of the major "Christian Political Cyrus's" for 2026......

or I personally must be an astonishingly obtuse and stupid person?

There really isn't much middle ground.....

I found the following writing by a near death experiencer from Uganda back in 2010, five years before President Trump even announced that he would campaign for the office of President of the USA.

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

......

Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy

But it gets even more interesting with:

www.SordRescue.com/

and with what Prophet Kim Clement predicted about Trump back in 2007.

In February 2007, the late prophet Kim Clement delivered a prophecy that specifically highlighted Donald Trump's future, a prediction that has gained significant attention as a "prophetic rewind" in recent years. Clement, who passed away in 2016, suggested that Trump would be a "praying president" chosen by God, despite not being a traditional religious figure, and that his rise would surprise people.
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Key Aspects of the 2007 Prophecy

• A "Hot Blood" Leader: Clement prophesied that God would put a leader at the helm with "hot blood" who would build walls of protection and cause the economy to "change rapidly".
• A "Praying President": Clement stated, "I will put at your helm for 2 terms a president that will pray, but he will not be a praying president when he starts".
• "Fooling" the People: In the 2007 message, Clement claimed God said, "I will fool the people... the one that is chosen shall go in and they shall say, 'He has hot blood'".
• "Impeach, Impeach" Defiance: The prophecy mentioned, "They will shout, 'Impeach, impeach!'... but this will not happen," referring to the political challenges surrounding the leader.
• Two Terms: Clement specifically predicted that this leader would serve two terms.
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Significance and Context

• Reaction to Results: Supporters frequently cite this prophecy as evidence of divine intervention in Trump's political career.
• "Trump: Prophecy Fulfilled": The 2007 prophecy has been compiled into journals and widely shared, particularly following Trump's election, highlighting what followers consider remarkable accuracy.
• 2020 and Beyond: The 2007 prophecy is often discussed in the context of the 2020 election and beyond, with some interpreting the "two terms" as non-consecutive or directly following one another.
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Kim Clement's 2007 prophecy is regarded by his followers as a cornerstone of the belief that Trump's presidency was spiritually ordained

On the other hand if you really like the ideas of Richard Dawkins Ph. D. then you will tend to look at all of this from what could be termed "The Left Hand Path!"

That is indeed your choice.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I personally have been researching all of this for decades and my rather strong belief is that either President Donald J. Trump is one of the major "Christian Political Cyrus's" for 2026......

or I personally must be an astonishingly obtuse and stupid person?

There really isn't much middle ground.....

I found the following writing by a near death experiencer from Uganda back in 2010, five years before President Trump even announced that he would campaign for the office of President of the USA.



But it gets even more interesting with:

www.SordRescue.com/

and with what Prophet Kim Clement predicted about Trump back in 2007.








On the other hand if you really like the ideas of Richard Dawkins Ph. D. then you will tend to look at all of this from what could be termed "The Left Hand Path!"

That is indeed your choice.

Trump is a Zionist ... not a Christian. The two ideologies are polar opposites.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Trump is a Zionist ... not a Christian. The two ideologies are polar opposites.

I doubt that he's religious at all personally.

Though he has largely surrounded himself with the Chabad Nationalists who appear to have their hooks buried very deply in the administration and to be directing him and calling the shots. Kushner, Lutnick, Yehuda Kaploun and others deeeply involved with and largely representative of the primary interests of that whole Chabad cult.

Ironically, that bit of info, though already widely known by those who actually pay attention, was referenced in one of the FBI communication files released in that latest mess of Epstein stuff.

 

[DennisPTate]

Trump is a Zionist ... not a Christian. The two ideologies are polar opposites.

But... must ten million Israelis cooperate enough to fulfill Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight?

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"
[Luke 24:25]

 

[SaxonJackson]

But... must ten million Israelis cooperate enough to fulfill Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight?

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"
[Luke 24:25]

Most modern Israelis have nothing to do with biblical Israelites. Israeli leadership are Khazarian Ashkenazim. The Khazars converted to Judaism in the 7th & 8th centuries, A.D. Their homeland is the eastern Steppes of Europe in and around the areas of Poland, Ukraine, and Russia. About the only prophecy they fulfill is found in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9.

 

[SaxonJackson]

We are talking about Christian values
Humanity does not end at our borders

"Christian values" come from the heart of a believer. Not from the political pen of an activist. I can be charitable to people in need and give when I can afford to. It's not up to a politician to MANDATE that I give when I can't afford to. And it's not "Christian" of a person from another country to invade a neighboring country and steal the fruits of someone else's labor.

Should I be permitted to invade Mexico illegally and expect the Mexican taxpayers to pay for my wants and needs?

 

[DennisPTate]

Most modern Israelis have nothing to do with biblical Israelites. Israeli leadership are Khazarian Ashkenazim. The Khazars converted to Judaism in the 7th & 8th centuries, A.D. Their homeland is the eastern Steppes of Europe in and around the areas of Poland, Ukraine, and Russia. About the only prophecy they fulfill is found in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9.

But that could be irrelevant, even if there were some truth to it?

The bottom line is that ten million Israelis now have some leaders who take "The Bible Codes" or "The Torah Codes" seriously, and I am glad that somebody does.

I strongly suspect that Trump is in The Torah Codes or influential Rabbi's in Jerusalem would NOT have written the following back in 2016.

BIN EXCLUSIVE: Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem​

ADAM ELIYAHU BERKOWITZ​

BIBLICAL NEWS​

NOVEMBER 10, 2016​

3 MIN READ​

The Nascent Sanhedrin is calling on Russian President Vladmir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump to join forces and fulfill their Biblically-mandated roles by rebuilding the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.


Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, contacted Breaking Israel News to announce that the election of Trump, who has promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, coupled with Putin’s expressed desire for the Temple to be rebuilt, prompted the Jewish court to send a letter offering the two the opportunity to act as modern-day Cyrus figures: non-Jewish kings who recognize the importance of Israel and the Temple.

Cyrus the Great, King of Persia in the sixth century BCE, announced in the first year of his reign that he was prompted by God to make a decree that the Temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt.

Thus saith Koresh king of Paras: All the kingdoms of the earth hath Hashem, the God of heaven, given me; and He hath charged me to build Him a house in Yerushalayim, which is in Yehuda. Ezra 1:2

Cyrus sent the Jews under his rule back to Israel with a considerable sum of money with which to rebuild the Temple. The Sanhedrin plans to call on the two world leaders to take up this ancient Biblical decree and support the Jewish people in their holy mission.

Rabbi Weiss explained that the US elections have made the eternal Jewish dream a very real possibility.

“We are poised to rebuild the Temple. The political conditions today, in which the two most important national leaders in the world support the Jewish right to Jerusalem as their spiritual inheritance, is historically unprecedented,” Rabbi Weiss told Breaking Israel News.


The Sanhedrin’s letter notes that Trump’s upset victory was due to his support of Jerusalem, and reminds Trump of his campaign promise to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the city as the capital of Israel. The Jerusalem Embassy Act, passed in Congress in 1995, initiated the moving of the embassy, but has been vetoed since every American president since. The Sanhedrin calls on Trump to withhold the veto after he takes office.

The Sanhedrin also recalled Putin’s connection to the Temple in its letter. During his third official trip to Jerusalem in 2012, Putin paid a late-night visit to the Kotel (Western Wall). When he arrived at the holy site, the Russian leader stood in silence for several minutes, offering up a personal prayer, after which he read Psalms from a Russian-Hebrew prayer book.

An Israeli bystander called out in Russian, “Welcome, President Putin.” Putin approached the man, who explained the importance of the Temple Mount and the Jewish Temple. Chadrei Charedim, an Orthodox Hebrew news site, reported that Putin responded, “That’s exactly the reason I came here – to pray for the Temple to be built again.”

Putin at the Western Wall



After this remarkable exchange, the Sanhedrin sent a letter to Putin calling on him to fulfill his prayer. At the time, President Putin did not respond to the Sanhedrin’s request, but now that the incoming US president is a potential ally in the project, the Sanhedrin believes it is time for Putin to take an active role in rebuilding the Temple.

This whole thing is kind of complicated because Putin may well be fulfilling Ezekiel chapters thirty eight and thirty nine?

What comes after Ezekiel thirty nine?

Ezekiel forty!