Parkland, Florida School Massacre Panel Recommends Allowing Willing And Trained Teachers To Be Armed

[Brain357]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

And in other cases the resource officer is shot and killed.

 

[Brain357]

You are aware that mass shooters are too often veterans?

Wrong.....you just pull that out of your ass...

You just can't help yourself but lie now can you? You are on the wrong side of an argument and all you have are lies. Sad.

Why the link between veterans and mass shootings is more complicated than you think

Three of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history were at the hands of veterans: the Sutherland Springs shooting in 2017 that left 26 people dead, the shooting at Luby’s Cafeteria in California in 1991 where 23 people were killed, and the U.T.-Austin tower shooting during which a former U.S. marine sniper killed 14 people.

3 out of how many...not just ten dipshit.......go back to 1982 and get back to us with the number...

You just love to deny reality.

U.S. Mass Shooters Are Disproportionately Veterans

He comes up with 30%...... since the majority are males in the first place not a big deal, you doofus.....

Yeah 30% is a tiny number....

 

[2aguy]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

 

[2aguy]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Even gun safety instructors can't help but shoot themselves. You want kids getting accidently shot regularly?

Ohio gun shop owner killed when gun discharges during concealed carry permit class

"OMG! I found a story about one guy! It's an EPIDEMIC!"

They are quite easy to find princess.
California teacher accidentally fires gun and injures student - CNN

1.1 million times a year Americans use their guns to save lives..... 18 states already allow teachers to carry guns...... you have to find a lot more....

 

[Brain357]

You are aware that mass shooters are too often veterans?

Wrong.....you just pull that out of your ass...

You just can't help yourself but lie now can you? You are on the wrong side of an argument and all you have are lies. Sad.

Why the link between veterans and mass shootings is more complicated than you think

Three of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern U.S. history were at the hands of veterans: the Sutherland Springs shooting in 2017 that left 26 people dead, the shooting at Luby’s Cafeteria in California in 1991 where 23 people were killed, and the U.T.-Austin tower shooting during which a former U.S. marine sniper killed 14 people.

3 out of how many...not just ten dipshit.......go back to 1982 and get back to us with the number...

You just love to deny reality.

U.S. Mass Shooters Are Disproportionately Veterans

He comes up with 30%...... since the majority are males in the first place not a big deal, you doofus.....

So 7% of the population and 30% of mass shootings. You aren't good at math.

5 facts about U.S. veterans

The share of the U.S. population with military experience is declining. In 2016, 7% of U.S. adults were veterans, down from 18% in 1980, according to the Census Bureau. This drop coincides with decreases in active duty personnel. Over the past half-century, the number of people on active duty has dropped significantly, from 3.5 million in 1968, during the draft era, to 1.3 million (or less than 1% of all U.S. adults) in today’s all-volunteer force. The military draft ended in 1973.

 

[Brain357]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

Imagine all the friendly fire.
Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

 

[Brain357]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

 

[2aguy]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

Imagine all the friendly fire.
Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Yes.....that is why you need an armed civilian....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

Oh...the lie? You mix suicide into gun murder to get that number.....

While I look at the CDC numbers for 2017...here are the actual numbers for 2016.......

Suicide is a choice......the gun doesn't matter...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)


Gun murder.....2016



FBI....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938

 

[Brain357]

Here's a good non-lethal suggestion that would have a far less chance of killing kids, as well as would have a good chance of taking the shooter alive.

Arm every teacher with a police style taser, with 4 bolts before needing reloading, as well as has a 35 ft. range. If a shooter showed up, several teachers with police tasers would have a very good chance of stopping them.

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

Imagine all the friendly fire.
Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Yes.....that is why you need an armed civilian....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Yeah it works out really well.
Man Killed by Police at Alabama Mall Was a ‘Good Guy With a Gun,’ Family’s Lawyer Says

 

[2aguy]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

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Hey...doofus....that link doesn't give you the CDC link for the data......you moron...

 

[Brain357]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

Oh...the lie? You mix suicide into gun murder to get that number.....

While I look at the CDC numbers for 2017...here are the actual numbers for 2016.......

Suicide is a choice......the gun doesn't matter...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)


Gun murder.....2016



FBI....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938

Suicide with a gun is quick and easy and highly effective. And our suicide rate is increasing with your guns.

 

[2aguy]

Get rid of the Gun Free Zone status, allow parents and other people with business at the school to carry their legal guns, allow trained teachers and staff to carry guns...and there won't be a mass shooting...since shooters won't target that building. We know they won't because they tell us they choose gun free zones.....

Half measures like yours will get people killed...just like gun free zones do.

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

Imagine all the friendly fire.
Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Yes.....that is why you need an armed civilian....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Yeah it works out really well.
Man Killed by Police at Alabama Mall Was a ‘Good Guy With a Gun,’ Family’s Lawyer Says

Yep...this is why you need armed citizens, they shoot fewer innocent people than police...

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Brain357]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

\
Hey...doofus....that link doesn't give you the CDC link for the data......you moron...

Hey doofus, 40,000 dead.

 

[2aguy]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

Oh...the lie? You mix suicide into gun murder to get that number.....

While I look at the CDC numbers for 2017...here are the actual numbers for 2016.......

Suicide is a choice......the gun doesn't matter...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)


Gun murder.....2016



FBI....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938

Suicide with a gun is quick and easy and highly effective. And our suicide rate is increasing with your guns.

You doofus.......guns do not figure into suicide....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

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Hey...doofus....that link doesn't give you the CDC link for the data......you moron...

Hey doofus, 40,000 dead.

Nope...not until they link to the actual CDC data...and suicides do not count...

 

[Brain357]

Parkland HS was a gun free zone, but they still had an armed resource officer on the grounds. Only problem is, the officer was too much of a coward to do his job.

The school had over 3,200 students plus staff and 12 buildings on campus....normal, law abiding people were not allowed to carry their legal guns with them, as they can in so many other places.....because it was against the law...had there been armed citizens there, the chances of them keeping the kid away to begin with would have been pretty good...and had they been in the area? Armed citizens have 94% success rate at stopping mass shooters and/or limiting the injuries and death.......

Tasers won't do that....

Imagine all the friendly fire.
Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Yes.....that is why you need an armed civilian....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Yeah it works out really well.
Man Killed by Police at Alabama Mall Was a ‘Good Guy With a Gun,’ Family’s Lawyer Says

Yep...this is why you need armed citizens, they shoot fewer innocent people than police...

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

A recent study
John Donohue, a law professor at Stanford University, was a co-author of a National Bureau of Economic Research study that examined how gun violence coincides with the ability for individuals to carry concealed weapons, known as Right To Carry (RTC) laws. The NBER study discredited the idea of the “good guy with a gun” as a possible solution to gun violence.

Donohue told ABC News that the research “concluded that allowing citizens to carry handguns seems to increase violent crime 13 to 15 percent by the 10th year” of the laws being enacted in the state.

Another takeaway from the NBER report is that the presence of the gun could turn a would-be good guy into an intentional or unintentional bad guy.

Reports cast doubt on 'good guy with a gun' theory in mass shootings

 

[Brain357]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

\
Hey...doofus....that link doesn't give you the CDC link for the data......you moron...

Hey doofus, 40,000 dead.

Nope...not until they link to the actual CDC data...and suicides do not count...

Suicides are increasing with your guns.

 

[Rustic]

More guns, more death.
CDC: Nearly 40,000 people died in gun violence in 2017

\
Hey...doofus....that link doesn't give you the CDC link for the data......you moron...

Hey doofus, 40,000 dead.

 

[Brain357]

Weakening gun laws is working real well.