Politico: School Choice Has Allowed Parents to Choose Good Schools in Florida, and Now the Bad Government Schools Are Closing, and That's... Bad

[martybegan]

You have no experience so why should that matter to anyone?

Appeal to authority. When it comes to policy that is a logical fallacy.

If we were talking the mechanics of teaching you might have a point, I am discussing the results of teaching, and that is the purview of every American.

 

[martybegan]

I have them blocked, thank you! Again, you need to put away that broad brush and stop supporting the enemy.

You have them blocked and then say "I don't see this happening everywhere"

Do you realize what that makes you look like?

 

[martybegan]

Education is 100% policy and political.

And thus the subject of debate for all Americans in America.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Exactly my point. No one is paying $20,000 a year in property taxes.

Which means the rest of us are paying to educate their kids. And I don't want little Timmy to grow up to commit a hate crime.

That's another thing in your dystopian worldview. Thoughtcrimes.

 

[JoeB131]

That's another thing in your dystopian worldview. Thoughtcrimes.

Um, no, it's called being able to function in a society.

You aren't going to get far in life being a racist or a homophobe.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Um, no, it's called being able to function in a society.

You aren't going to get far in life being a racist or a homophobe.

You mean speaking out against the sin of homosexuality? People of faith will continue to proclaim the only absolute Truth which you refuse to accept.

 

[martybegan]

Um, no, it's called being able to function in a society.

You aren't going to get far in life being a racist or a homophobe.

Forcing acceptance or even celebration of things people find immoral is far worse than a few people having bad viewpoints.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean speaking out against the sin of homosexuality? People of faith will continue to proclaim the only absolute Truth which you refuse to accept.

People of faith supported slavery and witch-burning, until they didn't.

God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

 

[Unkotare]

Um, no, it's called being able to function in a society.

You aren't going to get far in life being a racist or a homophobe.

Says one of the most consistent bigots on this entire site.

 

[GMCGeneral]

People of faith supported slavery and witch-burning, until they didn't.

God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

At least you got one thing right. His word says homosexuality is a sin. And that has never changed.

 

[JoeB131]

At least you got one thing right. His word says homosexuality is a sin. And that has never changed.

He also said slavery was okay and we should burn witches.

We don't do that anymore.

God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

 

[GMCGeneral]

He also said slavery was okay and we should burn witches.

We don't do that anymore.

God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

Slavery is noted in Scripture, but NOT condoned.

 

[JoeB131]

Slavery is noted in Scripture, but NOT condoned.

How is this not condoning it?

What The Bible says about Slavery

skepticsannotatedbible.com

After the flood, the "just and righteous" Noah (Genesis 6:9, 7:1) got drunk, and lay around naked in his tent. When his son, Ham, saw his father in this condition, Noah cursed not Ham, but Ham's son, Canaan, and all of Canaan's descendants, saying, "A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."

This is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.

And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Genesis 9:25-27

God blessed Abraham by giving him lots of slaves ("servants" in the KJV), insisting that all the male slaves be circumcised.

And the LORD hath blessed my master [Abraham] greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses. Genesis 24:35
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised. Genesis 17:12-13

When Sarah's slave Hagar flees from Sarah who is mistreating her (with Abraham's blessing), God sends an angel to tell her to go back to her abusive owner.

Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thine hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face. ... And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. Genesis 16:8-9

Abraham's favorite son Isaac was also a proud slave owner. You can tell how great he was by how many slaves he owned.

Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him. And the man waxed great, and went forward, and grew until he became very great: For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants. Genesis 26:12-14

God cursed the Gibeonites to be slaves of the Jews forever.

Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God. ... And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day. Joshua 9:23-27

Rules for slave owners from the Hebrew Scriptures​

Don't let any of your uncircumcised slaves eat the Passover meal.
But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. Exodus 12:44

Don't covet your neighbor's slaves. (It's one of the the Ten Commandments.)

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Exodus 20:17
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's. Deuteronomy 5:21

When buying slaves, be sure to follow God's instructions. Especially if you are a priest, buying a poor brother, or selling your daughter. Although special rules apply for Hebrew slaves, it's always OK to buy foreigners, who can be inherited from one generation to another forever.

If thou buy a Hebrew servant.... Exodus 21:2
And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman be sold unto thee.... Deuteronomy 15:12
If the priest buy any soul with his money.... Leviticus 22:11
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee.... Leviticus 25:39
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant.... Exodus 21:7
Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever. Leviticus 25:44-46

But don't get caught stealing a slave, or you'll be put to death.

He that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16
If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die. Deuteronomy 24:7

It's OK with God if you slowly beat your slaves to death. After all, they are your money. Just make sure that they survive at least a day or two after the beating. But try not to knock out their teeth or eyes. Otherwise you may have to set them free.

If a man smite his servant or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall be surely punished; notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished, for he is his money. Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake. Exodus 21:26-27

If your ox gores ("pushes" in the KJV) someone's slave, pay the slave owner thirty shekels of silver.

If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver. Exodus 21:32

Sell poor thieves as slaves to pay for their theft.

If a thief ... have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. Exodus 22:2-3

If a man has sex with an engaged slave woman, scourge the woman, but don't punish the man, because she was a slave.

And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. Leviticus 19:20

Rules for obtaining slaves during wartime.

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-11
But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:14

Some of Jesus's parables seem to approve of slavery and beating slaves.​

The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:46-47
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. Luke 17:7-9

The New Testament's epistles approve of slavery and command slaves to obey their masters.​

Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 1 Corinthians 7:21-22
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. Ephesians 6:5
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. Colossians 3:22
Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven. Colossians 4:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise ... he is proud, knowing nothing.... From such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:1-5
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. Titus 2:9-10
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 1 Peter 2:18

 

[initforme]

Appeal to authority. When it comes to policy that is a logical fallacy.

If we were talking the mechanics of teaching you might have a point, I am discussing the results of teaching, and that is the purview of every American.

So get in the classroom and show us all how it's done. I shall wait to see how you turn it all around.

 

[initforme]

How is this not condoning it?

What The Bible says about Slavery

skepticsannotatedbible.com

After the flood, the "just and righteous" Noah (Genesis 6:9, 7:1) got drunk, and lay around naked in his tent. When his son, Ham, saw his father in this condition, Noah cursed not Ham, but Ham's son, Canaan, and all of Canaan's descendants, saying, "A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."

This is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.


God blessed Abraham by giving him lots of slaves ("servants" in the KJV), insisting that all the male slaves be circumcised.


When Sarah's slave Hagar flees from Sarah who is mistreating her (with Abraham's blessing), God sends an angel to tell her to go back to her abusive owner.


Abraham's favorite son Isaac was also a proud slave owner. You can tell how great he was by how many slaves he owned.


God cursed the Gibeonites to be slaves of the Jews forever.

Rules for slave owners from the Hebrew Scriptures​

Don't covet your neighbor's slaves. (It's one of the the Ten Commandments.)


When buying slaves, be sure to follow God's instructions. Especially if you are a priest, buying a poor brother, or selling your daughter. Although special rules apply for Hebrew slaves, it's always OK to buy foreigners, who can be inherited from one generation to another forever.


But don't get caught stealing a slave, or you'll be put to death.


It's OK with God if you slowly beat your slaves to death. After all, they are your money. Just make sure that they survive at least a day or two after the beating. But try not to knock out their teeth or eyes. Otherwise you may have to set them free.


If your ox gores ("pushes" in the KJV) someone's slave, pay the slave owner thirty shekels of silver.


Sell poor thieves as slaves to pay for their theft.


If a man has sex with an engaged slave woman, scourge the woman, but don't punish the man, because she was a slave.


Rules for obtaining slaves during wartime.

Some of Jesus's parables seem to approve of slavery and beating slaves.​

The New Testament's epistles approve of slavery and command slaves to obey their masters.​

Slave owners were pure scum.

 

[martybegan]

So get in the classroom and show us all how it's done. I shall wait to see how you turn it all around.

So because I can't fight large fires myself, I can't expect a firefighter to fight one for me?

Bad logic is bad logic.

We pay teachers to teach. That's their job.

How about you stop using your toilet because you aren't a Wastewater treatment Engineer like I am?

 

[initforme]

So because I can't fight large fires myself, I can't expect a firefighter to fight one for me?

Bad logic is bad logic.

We pay teachers to teach. That's their job.

How about you stop using your toilet because you aren't a Wastewater treatment Engineer like I am?

Most teachers do teach. Ladt year we gave our teachers almost an 8 percent raise. Can you fathom that? Oh the horror.

 

[martybegan]

Most teachers do teach. Ladt year we gave our teachers almost an 8 percent raise. Can you fathom that? Oh the horror.

Not responding to my pointing out your shit logic.

 

[initforme]

So sorry your schools are so bad. Ours are top flight as evidenced by graduation rates and college or tech school training. We have a small rural high school. 83 kids this year graduating. Most all slated for further schooling. 3 entering workforce all the rest more education. That's pretty great. None hanging around or doing anything else.

 

[martybegan]

So sorry your schools are so bad. Ours are top flight as evidenced by graduation rates and college or tech school training. We have a small rural high school. 83 kids this year graduating. Most all slated for further schooling. 3 entering workforce all the rest more education. That's pretty great. None hanging around or doing anything else.

And now going with the "don't quote but reply" bullshit.

And not even replying. Still dodging admitting your use of shitty logic.