Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

[Sixties Fan]

The Akkadians and the Amorites we're from Arabia. History of the Arabs - Wikipedia

Answer the question poised by the OP of the thread.

 

[surada]

Answer the question poised by the OP of the thread.

Between 15,000 and 10,000 years ago the Arabian peninsula became more arid. It used to be a savanna with shallow lakes and wadis. They even had Hippos. As it became drier they migrated to Mesopotamia and the Levant. That's why you share Arab DNA. Abraham was from Urfa near Haran in Syria. The Akkadians and Amorites were from Arabia.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Between 15,000 and 10,000 years ago the Arabian peninsula became more arid. It used to be a savanna with shallow lakes and wadis. They even had Hippos. As it became drier they migrated to Mesopotamia and the Levant. That's why you share Arab DNA. Abraham was from Urfa near Haran in Syria. The Akkadians and Amorites were from Arabia.

We do not have Arab DNA. You dream and they turn into nightmares you want others to believe in.

And you have ZERO, Efes, Nothing as evidence to this concoction which has come from others who want to destroy Israel.

And as I said before, not all people from Arabia can be called Arabs, anymore than all Europeans can be called Romans, or all in China can be called Chinese (it is a generalization) or those in India, or those in the Americas and Australia.
They may come from the same continent or sub continent but there is a huge variety of cultures, languages and distinctions between all of those Nations.

Arabs and Akkadians are two different people, they had two different destinies.

If the Jews have Arab DNA, then so do the Kurds, the Yazidis, the Lebanese, all the indigenous people of Mesopotamia, Ancient Canaan, Egypt, Iran, Syria, etc.

Are all the people in India the same?

But that is not the case, no matter how much you need to SHOVE that lie into other people's throat to turn the Jews into nothing.

An endless denial of the history of the land.

Failure. As much of a failure as the bds movement to Destroy Israel.

Because it is ALL about destroying Israel.

That is what learned hatred for Jews does to Christians and Muslims .

They are the ones self destroying, not the Jews and Israel.

 

[surada]

We do not have Arab DNA. You dream and they turn into nightmares you want others to believe in.

And you have ZERO, Efes, Nothing as evidence to this concoction which has come from others who want to destroy Israel.

And as I said before, not all people from Arabia can be called Arabs, anymore than all Europeans can be called Romans, or all in China can be called Chinese (it is a generalization) or those in India, or those in the Americas and Australia.
They may come from the same continent or sub continent but there is a huge variety of cultures, languages and distinctions between all of those Nations.

Arabs and Akkadians are two different people, they had two different destinies.

If the Jews have Arab DNA, then so do the Kurds, the Yazidis, the Lebanese, all the indigenous people of Mesopotamia, Ancient Canaan, Egypt, Iran, Syria, etc.

Are all the people in India the same?

But that is not the case, no matter how much you need to SHOVE that lie into other people's throat to turn the Jews into nothing.

An endless denial of the history of the land.

Failure. As much of a failure as the bds movement to Destroy Israel.

Because it is ALL about destroying Israel.

That is what learned hatred for Jews does to Christians and Muslims .

They are the ones self destroying, not the Jews and Israel.

Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula
.. like Sargon, the Amorites and Akkadians. Did you think they were European or Russian or Chinese?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula
.. like Sargon, the Amorites and Akkadians. Did you think they were European or Russian or Chinese?

Take some English comprehension classes.

 

[surada]

Take some English comprehension classes.

Did Akkadians originate from the Arabian Peninsula?

Answer (1 of 8): Ideal Answer is : No Real answer is : Yes Yes they did and till this day there are many Arab families with the surname Akkad. Even the Akkadian language is like listening t heavy accented Arabic . Most Biblical Historians and archeologists are afraid to upset the zionists and lo...

www.quora.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Did Akkadians originate from the Arabian Peninsula?

Answer (1 of 8): Ideal Answer is : No Real answer is : Yes Yes they did and till this day there are many Arab families with the surname Akkad. Even the Akkadian language is like listening t heavy accented Arabic . Most Biblical Historians and archeologists are afraid to upset the zionists and lo...

www.quora.com

So what? What does the Akkadian people and culture have to do with all the other clans and cultures from Arabia which may have moved anytime afterwards, especially after Islamic Arabs invaded the area.

Being from Arabia is NOT the same as being what is known today as an Arab.

We do not say that the Akkadians were not a people, or an Empire at a certain period of time.

It is the extremist Christians and Muslims who want others to believe that there are no indigenous Jews left on the planet, etc, etc.

And the thread is still and always about a People, a culture, a language called Palestinians which found its way to Ancient Canaan 10,000 years ago.


Not even under one stone.

 

[surada]

So what? What does the Akkadian people and culture have to do with all the other clans and cultures from Arabia which may have moved anytime afterwards, especially after Islamic Arabs invaded the area.

Being from Arabia is NOT the same as being what is known today as an Arab.

We do not say that the Akkadians were not a people, or an Empire at a certain period of time.

It is the extremist Christians and Muslims who want others to believe that there are no indigenous Jews left on the planet, etc, etc.

And the thread is still and always about a People, a culture, a language called Palestinians which found its way to Ancient Canaan 10,000 years ago.


Not even under one stone.

Of course it is. Abraham was an Arab from Urfa in Syria.

 

[surada]

So what? What does the Akkadian people and culture have to do with all the other clans and cultures from Arabia which may have moved anytime afterwards, especially after Islamic Arabs invaded the area.

Being from Arabia is NOT the same as being what is known today as an Arab.

We do not say that the Akkadians were not a people, or an Empire at a certain period of time.

It is the extremist Christians and Muslims who want others to believe that there are no indigenous Jews left on the planet, etc, etc.

And the thread is still and always about a People, a culture, a language called Palestinians which found its way to Ancient Canaan 10,000 years ago.


Not even under one stone.

The Akkadians had an empire that included Palestine and the Levant.

 

[surada]

History of Palestine and Palestinians Arabs and Jews were called Palestinians, but Jews were a tiny minority.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course it is. Abraham was an Arab from Urfa in Syria.

Please, go insult your own ancestors.

 

[Sixties Fan]

History of Palestine and Palestinians Arabs and Jews were called Palestinians, but Jews were a tiny minority.

During the Mandate for Palestine for the rebuilding of the Jewish homeland ON their own Ancient Homeland.


Not difficult to understand.

No Mandate. No Palestinians. No Problem.

Decency would have made the British call the Mandate, the Mandate for Israel.

Palestine is was and is an insult intent on humiliating the Jews.

Simple.

 

[surada]

Please, go insult your own ancestors.

Look. There was no Ur of the Chaldeans in the time of Abraham. Local tradition since forever honors Abraham in his birthplace. It makes sense because Urfa is close to Haran. Look at a map. What are you so afraid of?

 

[surada]

During the Mandate for Palestine for the rebuilding of the Jewish homeland ON their own Ancient Homeland.


Not difficult to understand.

No Mandate. No Palestinians. No Problem.

Decency would have made the British call the Mandate, the Mandate for Israel.

Palestine is was and is an insult intent on humiliating the Jews.

Simple.

The Ottomans signed off to the British. There was no Israel.... Just refugees.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Look. There was no Ur of the Chaldeans in the time of Abraham. Local tradition since forever honors Abraham in his birthplace. It makes sense because Urfa is close to Haran. Look at a map. What are you so afraid of?

Are you following Muslim tradition?

Where was Abraham born?

Reporters attending the Washington-sponsored coalition talks in the Iraqi city of Ur last Tuesday noted that the summit took place in the "birthplace...

slate.com

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Ur Kasdim (Hebrew: אוּר כַּשְׂדִּים‎ ʾūr Kaśdīm), commonly translated as Ur of the Chaldeans, is a city mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as the birthplace of the Israelite and Ishmaelite patriarch Abraham. In 1862, Henry Rawlinson identified Ur Kaśdim with Tell el-Muqayyar, near Nasiriyah in southern Iraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees

Ur of the Chaldees - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees
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Not in the Torah !!! Don't say !!!

Ur Kasdim: Where is Abraham's Birthplace? - TheTorah.com

Ur-Kasdim is generally identified with the great Sumerian city of Ur in southern Iraq. And yet, a look at the geography in Genesis 11 points to a different location much farther north. | Prof. Gary Rendsburg

www.thetorah.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Ottomans signed off to the British. There was no Israel.... Just refugees.

Gaslight does become you.

 

[surada]

Gaslight does become you.

There was no Israel in 1918.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no Israel in 1918.

You are gaslighting.

You know very well what there was in 1918, as well you know what there was 3000 years before or 2000 years before.

No sovereign nation of Israel in 1918.

Where was the sovereign state of Palestine in 1918?


You do not do gaslighting very well. Work on it.

 

[Jay Stone]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

Abdul Ghani Salameh: There was nothing called a palestinian people…

 

[Jay Stone]

There was no Israel in 1918.

“Palestine” is a Western term for Israel.