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Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

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It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.


Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.



Palestinians, the People:






I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:




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It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.


Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.



Palestinians, the People:






I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:




Thanks to all who join this conversation

Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Ziporrah.

The Jews themselves are northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.
 
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It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.


Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.



Palestinians, the People:






I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:




Thanks to all who join this conversation

Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Ziporrah.

The Jews themselves are northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.
She was not Arab. She was Ancient Egyptian.

Egyptians are not Arabs, regardless of most in Egypt today being Arabs, after the Muslim Arab invasion since the 7th Century CE.

Neither Abraham, nor Ishmael ever went to the Arabian Peninsula. Just read the Hebrew Scripture. It is all there.
 

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Can't be 10k years ago because according to the Jews the planet is only 5,780 years old



The Natufians were in Palestine and the Levant 9,000-14,000 years ago... especially around Jericho. They built stone granaries in Jordan.
It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.


Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.



Palestinians, the People:






I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:




Thanks to all who join this conversation

Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Ziporrah.

The Jews themselves are northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.
She was not Arab. She was Ancient Egyptian.

Egyptians are not Arabs, regardless of most in Egypt today being Arabs, after the Muslim Arab invasion since the 7th Century CE.

Neither Abraham, nor Ishmael ever went to the Arabian Peninsula. Just read the Hebrew Scripture. It is all there.

Do you not know the difference between Hagar and Keturah? Keturah had six sons by Abraham.
 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

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Note that Arabic does not have the letter P in its vocabulary.

Also note, as in post 1, that the name Palestine derives from the Greek Phillistines who took over the region of Gaza.

"al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab" is a modern expression
 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

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al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.
 

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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

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The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
 
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by SC Judd · 2015 — the New Testament should rather be called the “Smith-al-Yāzijī-al-Bustānī” Arabic translation (p. 83). ... Arab Baptist Theological Seminary in Lebanon, who has provided an extremely ... filasṭīniyyīn as a term for the ancient “Philistines”

 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.
 

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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

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al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc
 
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al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?
 

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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?
 

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The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.
 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?
Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East. :)
 
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This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab
There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.
"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.
Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.
 

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The Jews and the Arabs are both speakers of a Semite language.

Modern Hebrew is classified as an Afroasiatic language of the Semitic family and the Canaanite branch of the North-West semitic subgroup.

Arabic language, Southern-Central Semitic language spoken in a large area including North Africa, most of the Arabian Peninsula, and other parts of the Middle East.
 

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