Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

[surada]

Between Egypt and Mesopotamia???? Really????

Akkadian Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Breaking News: Many of the people around Arabia and Mesopotamia and Ancient Canaan were Semitic.


You are trying to turn all people into Arabs.

It would be the same thing as the English trying to turn all of Europe English, coming from the same place, the same culture, the same language.

It does not work that way.

Educate yourself, instead of reading only and believing only what you wish to believe.


No mention of beyond Mesopotamia.

You may have read that in Arab news, or some non historical site like that.

Mesopotamia — 3500 BC to 539 BC - University at Buffalo

Judy Duchan's History of Speech - Language Pathology

At around 3500 BC, in Mesopotamia, there arose several important cities and civilizations. The Sumerians lived in southern Mesopotamia, an area known as Sumer, around 100 miles upriver from the Persian Gulf in what is now Iraq. In central Mesopotamia were a group called Akkadians. The Assyrians, a third grou…

 

[Sixties Fan]

The sailboat. The first lunar calendar. These accomplishments and more were the products of the city-states of Sumer, which arose on the flood plains of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in what is now modern-day Iraq. The Sumerians began to build their walled cities and make significant advances beginning around 3500 B.C.E.
Life in Sumer [ushistory.org]
www.ushistory.org/civ/4a.asp
www.ushistory.org/civ/4a.asp

Life in Sumer [ushistory.org]

Talking about everything, but evidence of Arab mass migration 10,000 years ago to Ancient Canaan.......why Ancient Canaan? Why not Egypt? Phonecia? No Archeological evidence of any of it.

Turning Akkadians into Arabs.
Turning any and all people into Arabs, when there is no evidence of it.

Evidence talks.

The rest is total BS.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Mesopotamia — 3500 BC to 539 BC - University at Buffalo

Judy Duchan's History of Speech - Language Pathology

At around 3500 BC, in Mesopotamia, there arose several important cities and civilizations. The Sumerians lived in southern Mesopotamia, an area known as Sumer, around 100 miles upriver from the Persian Gulf in what is now Iraq. In central Mesopotamia were a group called Akkadians. The Assyrians, a third grou…

What about the subject of this thread which you keep running away from?

 

[surada]

Yawn.

Do not waste my time with non real history, used only to attempt to destroy the right of the Jewish People to any part of their ancient homeland.

Deal with the mythology of Arabia, where you are from.

 

[rylah]

The sailboat. The first lunar calendar. These accomplishments and more were the products of the city-states of Sumer, which arose on the flood plains of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in what is now modern-day Iraq. The Sumerians began to build their walled cities and make significant advances beginning around 3500 B.C.E.
Life in Sumer [ushistory.org]
www.ushistory.org/civ/4a.asp
www.ushistory.org/civ/4a.asp

Life in Sumer [ushistory.org]

And first historic reference to Arabs
is some 2600 year after that...

 

[surada]

And the first historic reference to Arabs
is only 2600 year after that.

The Akkadians were Arabs. Remember Arabia Felix?

Before that the Narufians were in Palestine and the Levant.. including Jericho.

The Natufian Shaman | Singing to the Plants

The Natufian Shaman | Singing to the Plants

The Natufian culture flourished in the southern Levant between 15,000 and 11,600 years ago. One of the places that Natufian dead were buried is a small cave named Hilazon Tachtit, located on a steep cliff about 500 feet above the Hilazon River, with a sweeping view of the river and the...

singingtotheplants.com

Feb 26, 2009 · The Natufian Shaman. Sunday, Feb 22nd, 2009. Indigenous Culture, Research Studies, Shamanism. The view from the cave. The Natufian culture flourished in the southern Levant between 15,000 and 11,600 years ago. One of the places that Natufian dead were buried is a small cave named Hilazon Tachtit, located on a steep cliff about 500 feet above the Hilazon River, with a sweeping view …

12,000-Year-Old Shaman Funeral Reflects Natufian-Period ...

12,000-Year-Old Shaman Funeral Reflects Natufian-Period Changes

Archaeologists discovered in a cave in Israel the 12,000-year-old grave of a shaman. According to researchers, the unusual burial reflects the social changes that accompanied

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Sep 21, 2016 · Since then, Grosman and Munro have reconstructed the funerary ritual conducted for this shaman, recently reporting their analysis in Current Anthropology. The Natufian-period ritual, which Grosman and Munro believe occurred in six stages, concluded with a large stone placed over the 2.3 by 3.3 by 1.5-foot grave. That an enormous amount of energy was spent on this funeral, from the …

 

[rylah]

The Akkadians were Arabs. Remember Arabia Felix?

I know Arab supremacist want them to,
but no matter how much you'll repeat that nonesense
Arabs appeared in historic records only 2600 years after that.

They're no more than recent invaders and the largest illiterate group on earth.

 

[surada]

Talking about everything, but evidence of Arab mass migration 10,000 years ago to Ancient Canaan.......why Ancient Canaan? Why not Egypt? Phonecia? No Archeological evidence of any of it.

Turning Akkadians into Arabs.
Turning any and all people into Arabs, when there is no evidence of it.

Evidence talks.

The rest is total BS.

New research challenges origins of ancient Middle East Natufian culture

A new study by a team of scientists and archaeologists now proposes the Natufian’s had far more diverse and complex origins than originally believed.

www.jpost.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

New research challenges origins of ancient Middle East Natufian culture

A new study by a team of scientists and archaeologists now proposes the Natufian’s had far more diverse and complex origins than originally believed.

www.jpost.com

What does that have to do with your mythological idea that Arabs moved on mass 10,000 years ago.

No evidence of "Arabs" doing any such thing

 

[surada]

I know Arab supremacist want them to,
but no matter how much you'll repeat that nonesense
Arabs appeared in historic records only 2600 years after that.

They're no more than recent invaders and the largest illiterate group on earth.

People from Arabian peninsula who lived in Akkad (so-called Akkadian) are emigrated tribes from south Arabia (about 4000-6000 BCE) to the east of Arabia first then to Mesopotamia (Iraq).

 

[rylah]

People from Arabian peninsula who lived in Akkad (so-called Akkadian) are emigrated tribes from south Arabia (about 4000-6000 BCE) to the east of Arabia first then to Mesopotamia (Iraq).

Hey BIG MOUTH... but is there any
historic reference to Arabs prior to 900 BC?

 

[Sixties Fan]

People from Arabian peninsula who lived in Akkad (so-called Akkadian) are emigrated tribes from south Arabia (about 4000-6000 BCE) to the east of Arabia first then to Mesopotamia (Iraq).

As has been pointed out before:

Arabia is a Peninsula. Not all people are of the same culture and ethnicity.

No different from the Iberian Peninsula, aka, Spain and Portugal where the two are not one and the same.

People in Italy are not the same as the people in Poland.

People in China are not the same as the ones in Japan.

Distance makes a difference and calling all people one name and not distinguishing them only washes out their history and makes them disappear .

And that is exactly what you keep doing to all the different Nations/tribes which lived in the Arabian Peninsula. You have turn them all into one people when there are hundreds of different people there, as many as there were in Europe, as there still are in the USA as far as the First Nations go.

They are not one and the same. Stop stealing their identity to turn them into Arabs. Modern Arabs.

 

[surada]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

First.... Israel pushed Nasser into the arms of the Soviets with the Lavon Affair which in turn caused the Suez Crisis.

 

[surada]

Hey BIG MOUTH... but is there any
historic reference to Arabs prior to 900 BC?

Yes. The Akkadians settled in Mesopotamia in 2300 BC. Look at the map. Google Image Result for https://dinromerohistory.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/666-a.gif

 

[surada]

As has been pointed out before:

Arabia is a Peninsula. Not all people are of the same culture and ethnicity.

No different from the Iberian Peninsula, aka, Spain and Portugal where the two are not one and the same.

People in Italy are not the same as the people in Poland.

People in China are not the same as the ones in Japan.

Distance makes a difference and calling all people one name and not distinguishing them only washes out their history and makes them disappear .

And that is exactly what you keep doing to all the different Nations/tribes which lived in the Arabian Peninsula. You have turn them all into one people when there are hundreds of different people there, as many as there were in Europe, as there still are in the USA as far as the First Nations go.

They are not one and the same. Stop stealing their identity to turn them into Arabs. Modern Arabs.

They are the same ethnicity, culture and language. Google Image Result for https://dinromerohistory.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/666-a.gif

 

[Sixties Fan]

As has been pointed out before:

Arabia is a Peninsula. Not all people are of the same culture and ethnicity.

No different from the Iberian Peninsula, aka, Spain and Portugal where the two are not one and the same.

People in Italy are not the same as the people in Poland.

People in China are not the same as the ones in Japan.

Distance makes a difference and calling all people one name and not distinguishing them only washes out their history and makes them disappear .

And that is exactly what you keep doing to all the different Nations/tribes which lived in the Arabian Peninsula. You have turn them all into one people when there are hundreds of different people there, as many as there were in Europe, as there still are in the USA as far as the First Nations go.

They are not one and the same. Stop stealing their identity to turn them into Arabs. Modern Arabs.

What in the world are you giving Thanks to? You definitely have a hard time understanding the English language.

 

[Sixties Fan]

They are the same ethnicity, culture and language. Google Image Result for https://dinromerohistory.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/666-a.gif

You are on a lying rant today.
The Joker is Wild, Folks !!!!!

LOL

 

[surada]

Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East.

Where in the Middle East? The European Jews were nearly all socialists. Allah is Arabic for God. Not many Arab Jews spoke Hebrew.

 

[surada]

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

Not really. They didn't return to Palestine.
Look at the Turkish census of 1870 or the travels of Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin Tudela.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What does that have to do with your mythological idea that Arabs moved on mass 10,000 years ago.

No evidence of "Arabs" doing any such thing

Why are you stuck on Arabs? Palestine is Arab like the US is English.