Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: What is the Law?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

PREFACE: You simply do not pay any attention.

BLUF: Everyone has the right to self-defense. There is no dispute over that issue. The question revolves around Who is defending against whom? Does this dispute have the components of:


◈. Being instant,
◈. Being overwhelming,
◈. Leaving no choice of means,
◈. Having no moment for deliberation,

Prior to the Six-Day War, there was a UN Peacekeeping Force that was ejected. (Still a moment of deliberation.)
After the Six-Day War, The Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, was set in place.

◈. No peace with Israel,​
◈. No recognition of Israel,​
◈. No negotiations,​

SELF-DEFENSE:
(1) Under customary law, it is generally understood that the correspondence between the United States and the United Kingdom of 24 April 1841 , arising out of the Caroline Incident (Moore, Digest of International Law, Vol. 2, 25) expresses the rules on self-defense: self-defense is competent only where the ‘necessity of that self-defense is instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation. . . [and] the act, justified by the necessity of self-defense, must be limited by that necessity, and kept clearly within it’. These principles were further elucidated in the Corfu Channel Case 1949 I.C.J. Rep. 4 . See Jennings, The Caroline and McLeod Cases, 32 A.J.I.L. 82 ( 1938 ); Tucker, Reprisals, and Self-Defense: The Customary Law, 66 A.J.I.L. 586 ( 1972 ).

(2) Art. 51 of the U.N. Charter provides that ‘[n]othing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations . . .’. The relationship between the right under customary international law and art. 51 of the U.N. Charter has caused considerable debate: see, e.g., Jessup, A Modern Law of Nations ( 1948 ), 166–167; Stone, Legal Controls of International Conflicts (2nd imp. rev.), 245. However, the International Court of Justice in Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua (Merits) 1986 I.C.J. Rep. 14 at 95 made it clear that the right of self-defense under international law exists alongside the provision in art. 51 of the Charter: ‘it cannot be presumed that article 51 is a provision which “subsumes and supervenes” customary international law’.
SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law • 3 ed, Copyright ˝ 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. pp549

Everyone has the right to self defense. Everyone has the right to resist aggression.

Refute that.
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1. The State of Israel never attacked any authority known as Palestine, as defined by:

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:​
a ) a permanent population;​
b ) a defined territory;​
c ) government; and​
d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​
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2. The Six-Day War (June 1967) was a conflict between the forces of Israel and the forces of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. It was NOT a conflict with the Arab Palestinians.
3. The disputes over the territories known as the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip were resolved by Peace Treaties between Israel and the States of Jordan and Egypt.
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These are but just a few reasons as to why the Claim of Self-Defense by the Arab Palestinians is unfounded. There is not now, nor has there ever been, since the 1949 Armistice Agreements, a time when the Arab Palestinians were denied the opportunity to some non-violent form of conflict resolution. There has been, continuously, a forum of one sort or another that offered the Arab Palestinian consideration through negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements, or other peaceful means of their choice.

When the Arab Palestinians refuse such measures, THEN there is no instance in which "self-defense" is a legitimate claim as a means to prolong a conflict.
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Most Respectfully,
R
 
Everyone has the right to self-defense. There is no dispute over that issue. The question revolves around Who is defending against whom? Does this dispute have the components of:

◈. Being instant, ◈. Being overwhelming, ◈. Leaving no choice of means, ◈. Having no moment for deliberation,
Indeed, I am correct.
 
RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: What is the Law?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I can understand why it is important for the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) to completely ignore this component of "self-defense" but it really makes a difference

RoccoR Excerpt said:
BLUF: Everyone has the right to self-defense. There is no dispute over that issue. The question revolves around Who is defending against whom? Does this dispute have the components of:
RoccoR Excerpt said:
◈. Being instant,
◈. Being overwhelming,
◈. Leaving no choice of means,
◈. Having no moment for deliberation,

Indeed, I am correct.
(COMMENT)

Each time the HoAP launch a discretionary attack without first where the ‘necessity of that self-defense is instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation, THEN it is NOT an attack in self-defense. When all the HoAP needs to do is stop its attacks to achieve an end to the conflict, but continues hostile acts, those acts are not taken in self-defense.

Remember! The Israelis did not take any territory that was sovereign under an Arab Palestinian authority. Israel did not take any territory in the West Bank or Jerusalem that was not abandon by the Jordanians and left in the hands of the Israelis. At the conclusion of the conflict between Israel and Jordan, resolved by Treaty, a new international border was set between Israel and Jordan.

The Israelis never opened hostilities against Arab Palestinians. Israel was not under an Armistice with the Arab Palestinians. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel was set by the Treaty that dissolved the Armistice Agreement.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: What is the Law?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I can understand why it is important for the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) to completely ignore this component of "self-defense" but it really makes a difference



(COMMENT)

Each time the HoAP launch a discretionary attack without first where the ‘necessity of that self-defense is instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation, THEN it is NOT an attack in self-defense. When all the HoAP needs to do is stop its attacks to achieve an end to the conflict, but continues hostile acts, those acts are not taken in self-defense.

Remember! The Israelis did not take any territory that was sovereign under an Arab Palestinian authority. Israel did not take any territory in the West Bank or Jerusalem that was not abandon by the Jordanians and left in the hands of the Israelis. At the conclusion of the conflict between Israel and Jordan, resolved by Treaty, a new international border was set between Israel and Jordan.

The Israelis never opened hostilities against Arab Palestinians. Israel was not under an Armistice with the Arab Palestinians. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel was set by the Treaty that dissolved the Armistice Agreement.

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Most Respectfully,
R
You always miss this part. A hundred years ago the Zionists went to Palestine to attack the Palestinians. Those attacks continue to today.

The Palestinians are still fighting this aggression, i.e. self defense.
 
You always miss this part. A hundred years ago the Zionists went to Palestine to attack the Palestinians. Those attacks continue to today.

The Palestinians are still fighting this aggression, i.e. self defense.
Indeed. Your false premise that, "A hundred years ago the Zionists went to Palestine to attack the Palestinians", is unsupported. Indeed, another hysterical claim that allows you to justify islamic terrorism.
 
RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: What is the Law?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


BLUF: A century ago, the Principle Allied Powers met in San Remo, Italy (April 1920). And these powers decided to recognize the historical connection and interest the Jewish People concerning Palestine. It was then that the Principle Allied Powers accepted the idea for reconstituting the Jewish National Home. It was the Principle Allied Powers that decided to facilitate and encourage Jewish immigration. There was no Zionist attack on the Arab Palestinian people.
You always miss this part. A hundred years ago the Zionists went to Palestine to attack the Palestinians. Those attacks continue to today.

The Palestinians are still fighting this aggression, i.e. self defense.
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Trying to go back in time a hundred years and applied today's political logic, laws agreement and rights to decisions made then, is simply ridiculous. Trying to go back even half a century and understand why certain political, diplomatic and military decisions were made is difficult enough.

There was no Act of Aggression on the part of the Zionists.

A hundred years ago, the Arab Palestinians were on the side of the defeated Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic which renounced all rights and title over the territories in question which were not otherwise disposed. The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic agreed to accept the future of these territories being settled or to be settled by the parties of the Allied Powers. In 1920, the territory in question transitioned out of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) in favor of a Civil Administration by the British (CAB). It was not • nor was it eve • Arab Palestinian sovereign territory. The Civil Administration of the territory was a "legal entity."

So even if their was an Act of Aggression [undefined until A/RES/29/3314 (1974)] a century ago, it could not have been an Act of Aggression against the Arab Palestinian; but rather opposing the British as the Mandatory selected by the Principle Allied Powers. The Arab Palestinians would either have been under the OETA or the CAB.
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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: What is the Law?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


BLUF: A century ago, the Principle Allied Powers met in San Remo, Italy (April 1920). And these powers decided to recognize the historical connection and interest the Jewish People concerning Palestine. It was then that the Principle Allied Powers accepted the idea for reconstituting the Jewish National Home. It was the Principle Allied Powers that decided to facilitate and encourage Jewish immigration. There was no Zionist attack on the Arab Palestinian people.

(COMMENT)
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Trying to go back in time a hundred years and applied today's political logic, laws agreement and rights to decisions made then, is simply ridiculous. Trying to go back even half a century and understand why certain political, diplomatic and military decisions were made is difficult enough.

There was no Act of Aggression on the part of the Zionists.

A hundred years ago, the Arab Palestinians were on the side of the defeated Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic which renounced all rights and title over the territories in question which were not otherwise disposed. The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic agreed to accept the future of these territories being settled or to be settled by the parties of the Allied Powers. In 1920, the territory in question transitioned out of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) in favor of a Civil Administration by the British (CAB). It was not • nor was it eve • Arab Palestinian sovereign territory. The Civil Administration of the territory was a "legal entity."

So even if their was an Act of Aggression [undefined until A/RES/29/3314 (1974)] a century ago, it could not have been an Act of Aggression against the Arab Palestinian; but rather opposing the British as the Mandatory selected by the Principle Allied Powers. The Arab Palestinians would either have been under the OETA or the CAB.
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Most Respectfully,
R
Doesn't change what I posted one bit.
 
You always miss this part. A hundred years ago the Zionists went to Palestine to attack the Palestinians. Those attacks continue to today.

The Palestinians are still fighting this aggression, i.e. self defense.

Self defense, really?

Not a single Zionist ever shot a bullet,
before Arab pogroms against the local Jewish community.


Arab - Muslim supremacists have no one to blame but themselves, both for
initiating the Zionist response, and getting humiliated by a bunch of former dhimmis.
 
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Not a single Zionist ever shot a bullet,
before Arab pogroms against the local Jewish community.
That was what the British military occupation, with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket, was for.
 

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That was what the British military occupation, with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket, was for.

The same 'British military occupation',
which was imposed in collaboration with Arab armies?

Indeed Arab - Muslim supremacists always sought military occupation in all Middle East.
 

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