Palestine and Jerusalem belong to Muslims

[Osomir]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

 

[JWBooth]

Hello,

I am Muslim. Everyone knows that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) is a true prophet of God Almighty, holy and heavenly. If you don't know this, then learn about the Night Journey.
Isra and Mi raj - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Therefore the missions of all 123 999 prophets ended, while Muhammad took over as the 124 000th prophet, the last of all prophets, who closes the cycle of prophethood. Servanhood of God Almighty, today, and since the 7th century is only through Muhammad's Islam, through true Islam. Jerusalem now belongs to Muhammad, no more to Jesus, no more to Moses, no more to Abraham. This is what pleases God Almighty.

As such, what Americans, Israelis, Europeans, Christianity and Judaism are doing is pure wickedness, pure evil.

Nevertheless, ever since the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century under Umar (may God be well pleased with him), Islam has never been denied Jerusalem or Palestine, and it never will, to the end end of times.

It was won by conquest, it was lost by conquest. Shit happens.

 

[Roudy]

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

 

[Osomir]

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

 

[aris2chat]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving. Probably the most common is the pentagram.
“Take, O Solomon, king, son of David, the gift which the Lord God has sent thee, the highest Sabaoth. With it thou shalt lock up all demons of the earth, male and female; and with their help thou shalt build up Jerusalem. [But] thou [must] wear this seal of God. And this engraving of the seal of the ring sent thee is a Pentalpha.”

 

[Osomir]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

 

[aris2chat]

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

 

[aris2chat]

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Most were from al-Qaida

 

[Osomir]

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

I am familiar with the Harmony Program. What's your point?

 

[Osomir]

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Most were from al-Qaida

Roudy was previously talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS (and we spoke of bin Laden as well) before we jumped onto the topic of Iran. I have plenty of sources on Iran too. In fact I have presented pretty much direct quotes from some of Khomeini's speeches into my arguments and watched roudy argue against them. As I said before, I will happily source them, but it will have to wait until tomorrow (friday). I am working and thus don't have time to do specific citations at the moment.

 

[Roudy]

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Launched in 2008! And we're talking about the Iranian revolution an event that occurred 35 years ago. What a joke this guy is. I'll show you a thousand websites and books by Iranian expats, which will tell you the sad story of Iran and Khomeini in detail.

So, how about that private room? Ha ha ha.

 

[Osomir]

But he has "military sources"!

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Launched in 2008! And we're talking about the Iranian revolution an event that occurred 35 years ago. What a joke this guy is. I'll show you a thousand websites and books by Iranian expats, which will tell you the sad story of Iran and Khomeini in detail.

And are both of your memories really so short that you can't remember that we had previously spoken of Al Qaeda, ISIS and bin Laden? And Islamism in general / Sunni scholastic norms?

So, how about that private room? Ha ha ha.

I'm always up for a formal debate. I'd be happy to pit my sources and Khomeini's own speeches against your "thousand books".

 

[aris2chat]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

the connection to solomon is that david was his father, house of david nothing more. No demons, no magic.

 

[Roudy]

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Most were from al-Qaida

Roudy was previously talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS (and we spoke of bin Laden as well) before we jumped onto the topic of Iran. I have plenty of sources on Iran too. In fact I have presented pretty much direct quotes from some of Khomeini's speeches into my arguments and watched roudy argue against them. As I said before, I will happily source them, but it will have to wait until tomorrow (friday). I am working and thus don't have time to do specific citations at the moment.

Working the private rooms, eh? Well good luck. Again, it's a U.S. based research center and far from the final "word" surrounding today's issues. Just one of many opinions and voices on the Internet.

 

[Osomir]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

There is no visual "fact". As you stated it wasn't written by the real Solomon. It is a work of Medieval religious fiction.

 

[Roudy]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

the connection to solomon is that david was his father, house of david nothing more. No demons, no magic.

But the Harmony Center told him! He has these very reliable irrefutable sources!

 

[Roudy]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

There is no visual "fact". As you stated it wasn't written by the real Solomon. It is a work of Medieval religious fiction.

Was it hanging in one of those private VIP rooms?

 

[Osomir]

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

There is no visual "fact". As you stated it wasn't written by the real Solomon. It is a work of Medieval religious fiction.

Was it hanging in one of those private VIP rooms?

Is that really the best you can do? Bit of a one trick pony eh?

 

[Osomir]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

The ring had an engraved stone upon it, and different versions have different descriptions of the engraving.

The Testament of Solomon wasn't a picture book. And since there never was any ring, its symbol is open to popular interpretation and artistic rendering. the Pentagram is used more often by those who like to link it to the occult and demonology rather than to medieval Jewish literature.

so your calling the star of david is the solomon seal is "your" interpretation and not based on fact

the connection to solomon is that david was his father, house of david nothing more. No demons, no magic.

But the Harmony Center told him! He has these very reliable irrefutable sources!

The Harmony Program is a collection of primary sources. They are literally written by terrorists. by arguing against the Harmony Program, you are literally arguing against those in Al Qaeda and ISIS who you were previously claiming to speak for.

 

[Roudy]

The Combating Terrorism Center out of West Point in addition to their Harmony Project is a military academic source. SITE intelligence relies on military analysis as well.

Fairly new organization established in a post 9-11 era, with very little knowledge of events that took place 35 years ago in Iran. I doubt they existed in the late 70's and 80's when events in Iran were heating up. Plus, it's a university based research organization located in US. which makes their knowledge extremely limited.

No wonder.

It is research conducted in conjunction with the US Army and based on captured battle documents (see the Harmony Project) and written by people living both domestically and undercover overseas. Try again.

Harmony Program Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
list of documents and subject

Most were from al-Qaida

Roudy was previously talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS (and we spoke of bin Laden as well) before we jumped onto the topic of Iran. I have plenty of sources on Iran too. In fact I have presented pretty much direct quotes from some of Khomeini's speeches into my arguments and watched roudy argue against them. As I said before, I will happily source them, but it will have to wait until tomorrow (friday). I am working and thus don't have time to do specific citations at the moment.

So does the Harmony Center and your esteemed knowledge of the Koran agree that Mohammad and Islam believes Israel and Jerusalem belong to the Jews? Check with the guys at West Point private area and get back to us!