Oy! Those Crafty Jews!

teddyearp said:
Well, I do not fall into any of those categories, but it seems like he is past his time? I dunno, just maybe Israel needs a new face after these decades of Bibi. Give everyone else somebody different to pick on, because as you well know, it all about those evil joooooooooooooooos. I think he has done a good job, but . . . . Just musing really . . .
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Opinions are like pills in unlabeled bottles - they may be good or bad.
 
markef said:
Degenerates believe Jews should be punished for being proud, just like Karmelo Anthony believed the white boy needed to be taught a lesson for asking him to leave the wrong tent where he did not belong.
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Do you believe Jews who commit ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, and genocide are degenerates?

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"To degenerate means to decline, deteriorate, or fall from a higher, normal, or desirable state to a lesser or more corrupt one. The term can function as an adjective, a verb, or a noun, and it spans several specific contexts
 
markef said:
Jewish land ownership in Palestine prior to 1948 seems better documented than the confused, vague or limited documentation of various Arabs and other alleged land owners.



Who owned the land in Palestine prior to 1948
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  1. Before 1948, land in Palestine was predominantly owned by Arab individuals and families, with Jewish ownership accounting for a small but significant portion, documented through Ottoman and British Mandate legal systems.​

    Overview of Land Ownership​

    Prior to 1948, the majority of land in Palestine was held by Arab peasants (fellahin), absentee landlords, and religious endowments (Waqf), while Jewish land ownership was limited but strategically concentrated. By 1945, Jewish buyers legally owned approximately 5.67% of the Mandate’s total land area, increasing to 6.6% by the end of 1947 through purchases by private individuals and organizations such as the Jewish National Fund and the Palestine Land Development Company WikipediaWikipedia. These purchases were often concentrated in the coastal plains, the Jezreel Valley, and parts of Galilee WikipediaWikipedia.

    Ottoman and British Legal Frameworks​

    Under Ottoman rule, land ownership was regulated through the 1858 Land Code, which required registration of land titles (Tapu). Many Palestinian peasants lacked formal deeds, relying on traditional claims, which sometimes led to dispossession due to taxation, debt, or absentee landlords myjli.commyjli.com. During the British Mandate (1920–1948), land transactions were formally recorded, and Jewish organizations legally acquired land through purchase agreements, often transforming previously uncultivated or underutilized areas into agricultural settlements jordandaily.netjordandaily.net+1.

    Jewish Land Purchases​

    Jewish land acquisition began in the late 19th century, primarily by Ashkenazi immigrants, and continued through the early 20th century. Notable transactions, such as the Sursock Purchases, involved large estates in the Jezreel Valley and Haifa Bay, sometimes resulting in the eviction of Arab tenants WikipediaWikipedia. By 1948, Jews had purchased roughly 2 million dunams, forming the territorial nucleus for the future state of Israel israeled.org. Despite claims that Arabs owned 94% of the land, historical research shows that this figure is misleading, as much land was state-owned, uncultivated, or held by absentee landlords israeled.org.

    Palestinian Land Documentation​

    Extensive archives, such as the Bseiso Family Archive, preserve pre-1948 Palestinian land ownership records, including Hijjeh deeds, Ottoman tax records, maps, and surveys. These documents demonstrate that Palestinians maintained legal ownership and cultivated land under a functioning legal system, even amid colonial governance jordandaily.netjordandaily.net+1. The archives provide evidence of both local and absentee Arab landowners, showing that land ownership was complex and not solely concentrated in the hands of a few.

    Conclusion​

    Before 1948, Palestine’s land ownership was a mix of Arab peasant holdings, absentee landlords, Waqf lands, and a small but growing Jewish-owned portion. Jewish land purchases were legally documented and strategically located, while Palestinian land ownership was maintained through Ottoman and Mandate legal systems. The historical record, supported by archival evidence, highlights the nuanced and legally structured nature of land tenure in pre-1948 Palestine WikipediaWikipedia+2.
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How much land did the Jews of Palestine lose in 1948 compared to how much land they stole?

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"During the 1948 Nakba, Palestinians lost approximately 4.2 million acres (about 17,000 square kilometers) of land.

"This represented roughly 78% of historic Mandatory Palestine, leaving the remaining 22% as what are now the West Bank and Gaza Strip. [1, 2, 3]

"These territories were primarily lost through forced displacement, military conquests, and systematic property confiscations.

"Hundreds of Palestinian villages were depopulated and destroyed, and the land was subsequently reallocated under policies like the 1950 Absentees' Property Law."

In 1967, Jews stole most of the remaining 22% of Palestine.
 
rosends said:
No, you just don't understand the term and why it is inapplicable (though I assume you are talking about situational irony -- if you meant dramatc or verbal, LMK)

You still aren't using it properly. You should talk to your English teacher so that when you reach high school, you don't embarrass yourself.
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Hypocrite is a much better word. Yes?
 
georgephillip said:
How much land did the Jews of Palestine lose in 1948 compared to how much land they stole?

GoogleAI Overview:

"During the 1948 Nakba, Palestinians lost approximately 4.2 million acres (about 17,000 square kilometers) of land.

"This represented roughly 78% of historic Mandatory Palestine, leaving the remaining 22% as what are now the West Bank and Gaza Strip. [1, 2, 3]

"These territories were primarily lost through forced displacement, military conquests, and systematic property confiscations.

"Hundreds of Palestinian villages were depopulated and destroyed, and the land was subsequently reallocated under policies like the 1950 Absentees' Property Law."

In 1967, Jews stole most of the remaining 22% of Palestine.
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Unlike Biden I do not believe leftists 'truths' that are not supported by facts.



Did Jews take Israel away from Palestinians? - The Jewish Federation of Sarasota-Manatee
Did Jews take Israel away from Palestinians?
December 8, 2020 | 2020 Blog Archive, CRConnect | 5 comments

By David Millstone

QUESTION:
The Palestinians were in Israel first, then it was flooded with European Jews from the Holocaust. I have sympathy for someone fleeing the Holocaust, but they shouldn’t be able to just take over someone else’s land, should they?

ANSWER:
The statement and question posed above may be something you hear from those who believe the Jews creation of the State of Israel constituted an act of colonialism – an act of taking political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, displacing its indigenous people, and exploiting it economically.
Consider the historic inaccuracies in the statement and question above:

  • It is inaccurate to say Arab Palestinians lived there first.
  • Jews have lived on the land of Israel continuously for almost 4,000 years.
  • The land of Israel is the birthplace of the Jewish people. Approximately 4,000 years ago, Abraham moved to the land of Israel where he lived with his family, raised his children and purchased land to bury his wife and himself.
  • After Abraham came Isaac and Jacob. Jacob, who was named Israel by God, had twelve sons whose families became the 12 Tribes of Israel.
  • Approximately 3,000 years ago, the Jews established a monarchy in the land that includes Israel, Gaza, the West Bank (Judaea and Samaria), the Golan Heights, parts of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. (See the map below)
The map above shows the lands occupied by
the 12 Tribes at the time of the unification by King Saul.

  • 200 years later Alexander the Great and Greeks conquered the Persians and the Jews continued to live in Jerusalem and Israel under Greek rule.
  • The Romans occupied Jerusalem and Israel in the first century BCE. The Jews revolted against Roman Rule about 130 years later during what became known as the First Jewish Revolt. In response, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple (70 CE). Many Jews were slaughtered by the Romans and most left the country, but some Jews remained. The Romans renamed Judea “Palaestina” in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land. It was from that point forward land became known as Palestine.
  • It was not until 622 CE that the Muslim religion was established by Mohammed in Mecca in what is today Saudi Arabia.
  • Caliph Umar was a contemporary of Mohammed and began conquering non-Arabian lands, including Palestine, around 636 CE. Jews were permitted to reenter Jerusalem and settled around the Western Wall. However, over the next 400+ years, Jews suffered under Caliphate rule.
  • Christian Crusaders conquered Palestine in 1099, slaughtering both Jews and Muslims.
  • After 200 years under Christian rule where non-Christians, including Jews and Muslims suffered, the Mamluks began rule of the area. During the Mamluk era there was a decline of towns and commerce and of Jewish communities.
  • In 1517 the Ottomans took over control of Palestine and there was a further decline of the land, but an increasing Jewish population.
  • During World War I, in 1917, the British took over control of Palestine and the British Mandate for Palestine (discussed further below) was established in 1922.
  • Maps from the 19th and early 20th century of “Palestine” demonstrate Palestine was seen historically connected to Jews. This VIDEO shows various maps through time recognizing that the term Palestine applies to the Jewish nature of Palestine from well before the Ottoman Empire.
  • From the timeline above, it is clear that Jews preceded both Arabs and Muslims in Palestine by 2600 years if measured from the time of Abraham or by at least 1600 years if measured from the establishment of Kingdom of Israel.
  • It is inaccurate to say Jews are interlopers into the Middle East and that they only came to the land after the Holocaust. While Jews were dispersed from the Middle East at various times, Jews have lived continuously in the Land of Israel, including through Babylonian, Persian, Roman, Byzantine, Muslim and Crusader rule.
  • Large Jewish populations were established in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century BCE and in other cities throughout Palestine by the eleventh century.
  • Crusaders massacred Jews in the 12th century and the Jewish population rebounded over the next two centuries.
  • By the fourteenth century when Israel fell under Muslim rule, there were Jewish communities in at least thirty cities, including Haifa, Hebron, Gaza, Jerusalem and Safed.
 
markef said:
Unlike Biden I do not believe leftists 'truths' that are not supported by facts.



Did Jews take Israel away from Palestinians? - The Jewish Federation of Sarasota-Manatee
Did Jews take Israel away from Palestinians?
December 8, 2020 | 2020 Blog Archive, CRConnect | 5 comments

By David Millstone
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  • At the time of the Ottoman conquest in the early sixteenth century, 200 years later, Jews lived in Jerusalem, Nablus, Hebron, Safed and in many Galilean villages.
  • Jews in the Diaspora began to return to Israel in 1770 from Eastern Europe. Many Jews, also, left Eastern Europe in the late 18th and early 19th centuries in order to pray and die in the four sacred cities of the Holy Land: Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Hebron.
  • According to a British census in 1864, Jews constituted a majority of the population of Jerusalem. In 1875, an Ottoman census of Jerusalem confirmed the Jewish majority in Jerusalem and another in 1905 showed Jews represented two-thirds of the Jerusalem population.


  • Over 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab and Muslim countries between 1948 and 1972 and many had their property confiscated. Approximately 600,000 of those Jews emigrated to Israel and Israel received no compensation for their resettlement.
  • Immediately after World War II, under the British Mandate, Jewish refugees from the Holocaust were limited to 18,000 per year. Thus, after the end of the war and prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, very few Holocaust survivors were able to enter Israel.
  • Today there are approximately 135,000 Ethiopian Jews living in Israel, with almost 86,000 of those Jews emigrating to Israel. None would be considered Holocaust survivors.
  • A small percentage of the Israeli population both at the time of the establishment of Israel and currently are Holocaust survivors.
  • It is inaccurate to say the State of Israel only came into existence because of the Holocaust.
  • The First Zionist Congress, convened in 1897, called for the creation of a Jewish State in the land of Israel secured by international law.
  • On November 2, 1917, the British Foreign Office issued a statement declaring the British Government’s position favoring the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Written by Lord Balfour, the document became known as the Balfour Declaration.
  • A recent article by Ayman Ashour in Egyptian Streets, Egyptian Support for Balfour Declaration, outlines historic Egyptian support for the Balfour declaration.
  • The map below reflects the geographic makeup of the land that would make up the Jewish Homeland under the Balfour Declaration.


  • In April 1920, the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council determined the mandates for the administration of the three undefined Ottoman Territories in the Middle East – Palestine, Syria and Mesopotamia. For Palestine, the administration was entrusted to the British government with the charge of implementing the Balfour Declaration and establishing a national home for the Jewish people.
  • In 1922, the League of Nations formally gave Great Britain the responsibility of the Mandate for Palestine and for implementation of the Balfour Declaration. At the time of the formal creation of the Mandate, the territory for the Jewish Homeland was reduced by 77% from the original Mandate. (See map below)


  • In 1936, the British government established a Royal Commission, known as The Peel Commission, to investigate the unrest between Arabs and Jews in Palestine. A report was issued in 1937 that recommended a partition of the land between Arabs and Jews with an international zone running from Jerusalem to Jaffa to be continued as a British Mandate (See Map below). The Report, after being accepted by the British Government, was rejected by the Arabs. In 1938, the British Government rejected the plan as unimplementable.
  • When the United Nations Charter was adopted in 1945, Article 80 of the Charter maintained the rights to a Jewish homeland under the Mandate.
  • In 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the partition of Palestine into to two states, one Jewish and one Arab with Jerusalem to be governed by an international regime. (See map belo
  • While the UN partition plan reduced the Jewish Homeland even further, it was accepted by the Jewish side, but not by the Arabs. The Arabs immediately launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.
  • As the General Assembly Resolution for the Partition of Palestine was never accepted by both parties, it never became binding under international law.
  • The plan for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was created long before the beginning of the Holocaust.
  • It is inaccurate to say the British Mandate of Palestine did not consider Jews to be Palestinians.
  • Jewish organizations acquiring land for the Jewish people included the Palestinian Jewish Colonization Association and the Palestinian Land Development Company.
  • During the British Mandate, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestine Post. The name was not changed until 1950.
  • The flag of Palestine under the Mandate had a Star of David, the currency had Hebrew on it and Jews were identified as Palestinians.
  • Even the Arabs considered the Jews to be Palestinians. See, for example, Resolution 16 of the Arab League adopted as part of their boycott of the Jews it began in 1945:
“Products of Palestinian Jews are to be considered undesirable in Arab countries. They should be prohibited and refused as long as their production in Palestine might lead to the realization of Zionist political aims.”

  • It is inaccurate to say the Jews just took over or stole Arab land. In addition to land owned by Jews already living in Palestine, there were substantial land purchases made by the Jewish National Fund, the Palestine Land Development Company and the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association between the late 1880s and 1930s. Most of the land purchases were made in the Jezreel Valley, Jordan Valley and Galilee where the Arab population was sparse, and soil was poor. At the time of the UN partition vote in 1947 most of the land not already owned by Jews was public land, not privately-owned land. Very little of the land was privately owned by Arabs. See the chart below which outlines land purchases from 1880 until 1935 by the Palestine Land Development Company and the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association. Purchases by the JNF also occurred between 1936 and 1947.

  • Jewish Land Purchases 1880 –1935 in Dunams[1]
  • To the extent small Arab landholders in Palestine “lost” their land to Jews, it was the result of wealthy Arab families in Middle Eastern cities like Beirut and Damascus acquiring large tracts of land in Palestine and subsequently selling lands to Jews.
  • The early Zionist pioneers saw the Arab population as small, apolitical, and without a nationalist element and they therefore believed that there would be no friction between the two communities. They also thought development of the country would benefit both peoples and they would thus secure Arab support and cooperation. Indeed, many Arabs attracted by new employment opportunities, higher wages and better living conditions migrated to Palestine from other countries in the wake of economic growth stimulated by Jewish immigration.
  • It is inaccurate to say Palestine defines a nationality. Palestine simply describes a geographic area.
  • The people referred to today as Palestinians are not indigenous to the land. Jews, on the other hand can claim they are indigenous.
  • In 1937, a local Arab leader stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.”
  • The term Palestinian as used to refer to Arabs was not used until 1964 when the Russian KGB helped Egypt’s President, Abdul Nasser, create the Palestine Liberation Organization. “Palestinian” was part of disinformation created by the Russians.

  • The Quran itself recognizes the right of Israelites to the Holy Land – a Kuwaiti writer makes the case on an Arab television show:
Kuwati Writer Asserts Israel Is a Legitimate State, not an occupier and that there is no Palestine

SUMMARY

  • The statement and question raised are historically inaccurate.
  • Palestine defines a geographic region, not a nationality.
  • “Palestinians” were not there first – Jews have continuously been on the land for over three thousand years.
  • There was an influx of European Jews starting in the 1770’s. It did not start with the Holocaust.
  • There are more Palestinian, Arab and North African Jews than the number of Jews arriving from DP camps after the Holocaust.
  • As Jews developed the lands, more Arabs moved into Palestine.
  • There was never a Palestinian State nor an Arab Palestinian people. The term “Palestinian” was used to describe all people living in Palestine, Jews, as well as Arabs.
  • Palestine (“Palaestina”) was the name given to the area when the Romans conquered the area.
  • Jews didn’t just take over the land – they purchased it, they developed it, they grew the country.
  • Britain, post-World War I allies, the League of Nations and the United Nations all intended that a Jewish homeland would be established in the British Mandate known as Palestine.
  • The term Palestinian as used today was an invented term that was not used until the 1960’s and was invented by Russia.
 
gipper said:
Hypocrite is a much better word. Yes?
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It actually would fit somewhat better in terms of the argument you are making. That doesn't mean it is an accurate presentation, but at least you are using a word which isn't is just plain wrong.
 
rosends said:
It actually would fit somewhat better in terms of the argument you are making. That doesn't mean it is an accurate presentation, but at least you are using a word which isn't is just plain wrong.
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Oh it’s accurate. Extremely accurate.

The IRONY and HYPOCRISY are over-the-top!

Yes?
 
gipper said:
Oh it’s accurate. Extremely accurate.
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You just keep thinking that. Already it is clear that your grasp of English is tenuous so your clinging to an inaccurate word is totally in character.
 
rosends said:
You just keep thinking that. Already it is clear that your grasp of English is tenuous so your clinging to an inaccurate word is totally in character.
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Lol. You lose every argument and now you try to denigrate my abilities with the English language. Lol.

Did your Mossad training advise you to use this tactic?

Are you getting paid to post here?

How are things in Haifa?

Oh the IRONY and HYPOCRISY!!! Wow! That could be the name of a song about blood thirsty murdering Zionists….Could you help me with the lyrics?
 
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gipper said:
Lol. You lose every argument and now you try to denigrate my abilities with the English language. Lol.

Did your Mossad training advise you to use this tactic?

Are you getting paid to post here?

How are things in Haifa?

Oh the IRONY and HYPOCRISY!!! Wow! That could be the name of a song about blood thirsty murdering Zionists….Could you help me with the lyrics?
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You have presented nothing new in this post. Are you coming to visit Teaneck? I can help you with your English if you visit. I'll wait until you are old enough to travel on your own.
 
georgephillip said:
Heroic Jews :auiqs.jpg:
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The Israeli army’s use of Palestinian civilians as human shields has been documented on a large scale
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By Hamas who hide behind children. How did that work out. They got their asses kicked anyway
 
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