Our S.C. has decided to review Trump’s birthright citizenship order. So, let us follow the rules.

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Birthright citizenship was never intended for illegal migrants.
It was intended for American citizens including the emancipated slaves.
This is a fact.
However I don't trust the USSC to make the correct ruling.

 

[johnwk]

It's what they do best.

I do agree but in this instance the media was not lying. The United States is flooded with anchor babies and American Citizens are being taxed to finance their economic and medial needs.

 

[1srelluc]

You don't realize the Pandora's box you are trying to open. I hope both your patents have proof of Us citizenship from a judge.

LOL....Damn, I might be in trouble.

When my parents received my birth certificate they had spelt my first name wrong.

They sent it back to Richmond and when it came back the incorrect name was simply lined through and my proper name penciled in.

LOL....Mah Technology.

 

[Unkotare]

I do agree but in this instance the media was not lying. The United States is flooded with anchor babies ...

There is no such thing as an "anchor baby." Whatever the court decides, that will not change.

 

[johnwk]

There is no such thing as an "anchor baby."

According to you. Even AI knows you are full of it.


"The term "anchor baby" is a disparaging and offensive colloquial term for a child born in the United States to non-citizen parents, particularly those who are undocumented. The term implies that the parents chose to have the child in the U.S. specifically to use the child's automatic U.S. citizenship as an "anchor" to secure legal residency or avoid deportation for themselves and other family members."

 

[Unkotare]

According to you. ...

According to the law and to reality. I know plenty of families who were divided because there is no such thing as an "anchor baby." How about you?

 

[Unkotare]

A student in one of my classes around 10 years ago worked hard and got a full academic scholarship to a prestigious college. Before college started, her mother and older sister had been deported. She was born in the US. They were not. Not a rare occurrence. If an "anchor" doesn't anchor anything, it's not an anchor. If a person doesn't fit a stupid term, the stupid term is just meaningless bullshit.

 

[cnm]

And just like that Textualism became inconvenient.

 

[cnm]

It's like you just ignore the part about being illegal...

But if they're born there they're legal.

It's almost as if plain language has no meaning if MAGAts don't like the meaning.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

There is no such thing as an "anchor baby." Whatever the court decides, that will not change.

Only there is and your a dishonest N’Wah

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

And just like that Textualism became inconvenient.

Coming from your side, that ignores “shall not be infringed”

 

[Rawley]

You don't realize the Pandora's box you are trying to open. I hope both your patents have proof of Us citizenship from a judge.

Why? It wouldn't be retroactive.

 

[el midgetron]

What you descendants of anchor babies need to understand is that if birthright citizenship is gone, the majority of whites here lose their citizenship because you are descendants of immigrants who came here or for those who were born here to immigrant parents. That would include Trump.

Classic.

 

[johnwk]

A student in one of my classes around 10 years ago worked hard and got a full academic scholarship to a prestigious college. Before college started, her mother and older sister had been deported. She was born in the US. They were not. Not a rare occurrence. If an "anchor" doesn't anchor anything, it's not an anchor. If a person doesn't fit a stupid term, the stupid term is just meaningless bullshit.

It may be a meaningless bullshit term to you, but it certainly is understood, even by Wikipedia

The term "anchor baby" refers to a child born to non-citizen parents in a country that grants birthright citizenship, such as the United States. This child automatically acquires citizenship, which can help the parents and other family members gain legal residency or avoid deportation. The term is often regarded as pejorative and implies that the child serves as a means for the parents to secure immigration benefits. The legal principle behind this is known as "jus soli," meaning "right of the soil," which guarantees citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil.

 

[johnwk]

But if they're born there they're legal.

It's almost as if plain language has no meaning if MAGAts don't like the meaning.

". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . "
.
.
in discussing the proposed 14th Amendment, Senator Howard explains the clear intentions of the 14th Amendment as follows:

The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.(my emphasis) see Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866) pg. 2890

Later, and after the question was repeatedly asked as to who is and who is not a citizen of the United States, Mr. TRUMBULL responds as follows SEE: page 2893, Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866)


“The provision is, that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” . . . “What do we mean by “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”

Mr. Trumbull later emphasizes in crystal clear language that: “It cannot be said of any Indian who owes allegiance, partial allegiance if you please, to some other Government that he is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”

Mr. JOHNSON then rises to say: “…there is no definition in the Constitution as it now stands as to citizenship. Who is a citizen of the United States is an open question….there is no definition as to how citizenship can exist in the United States except through the medium of a citizenship in a State.

“Now, all that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power--for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us--shall be considered as citizens of the United States.” …he then continues “…the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.”

And then there is John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section who considered the proposed national law on citizenship as “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” Cong. Globe, page 1291(March 9, 1866) middle column half way down.

And so, a baby born to a foreign national mother while on American soil is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment, nor becomes a citizen of the United States upon birth.

 

[Unkotare]

Only there is and your a dishonest N’Wah

A "what"?

 

[johnwk]

Trump’s proposed executive order on birthright citizenship is 100% constitutional​

Protecting The Meaning And Value Of American Citizenship

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1.

www.whitehouse.gov

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Section 1. Purpose. The privilege of United States citizenship is a priceless and profound gift. The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” That provision rightly repudiated the Supreme Court of the United States’s shameful decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), which misinterpreted the Constitution as permanently excluding people of African descent from eligibility for United States citizenship solely based on their race.

But the Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to everyone born within the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were born in the United States but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Consistent with this understanding, the Congress has further specified through legislation that “a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a national and citizen of the United States at birth, 8 U.S.C. 1401, generally mirroring the Fourteenth Amendment’s text.

Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.

(c) Nothing in this order shall be construed to affect the entitlement of other individuals, including children of lawful permanent residents, to obtain documentation of their United States citizenship.

Sec. 3. Enforcement. (a) The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Commissioner of Social Security shall take all appropriate measures to ensure that the regulations and policies of their respective departments and agencies are consistent with this order, and that no officers, employees, or agents of their respective departments and agencies act, or forbear from acting, in any manner inconsistent with this order.

(b) The heads of all executive departments and agencies shall issue public guidance within 30 days of the date of this order regarding this order’s implementation with respect to their operations and activities.

Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:

(a) “Mother” means the immediate female biological progenitor.

(b) “Father” means the immediate male biological progenitor.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 20, 2025.

This new “policy” would be 100% within the four walls of our Constitution​

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

A "what"?

It’s spelled N’wah you dumb N’wah!

 

[Rogue AI]

I don't ignore anything because this is not just about illegal immigrants. Furthermore, everybody here except the indigenous people are illegal immigrants, although blacks were involuntarily brought here.

Utter nonsense, as usual. You have no clue what you are talking about. The Indians had no immigration laws to break, nor any ability to enforce them even if they did. Take your dumbass conspiracy theories somewhere else.

 

[cnm]

in discussing the proposed 14th Amendment, Senator Howard explains the clear intentions of the 14th Amendment as follows:

So what? It's complete bullshit to consider for one second the US does not have complete jurisdiction/authority over every person within its borders apart from diplomatic exemptions.

Otherwise they can disobey your laws without penalty. Like the diplomats.