Orthodox Jews and Zionism

"they put acquisition of territory over the lives of their own children, apparently"

I guess you can say the same thing about the Palestinians.

Don't they send their kids to explode themselves in name of a "Palestine"?
 
One of my points - which Hostility missed! - was that 'CI' claim to be Christians, but when their actual beliefs are examined, those beliefs appear not to fit within Christianity.

Yet by Hostility's verbiage on 'self-determination' the CI should be allowed to claim they're Christian...... I say they aren't, and that NK aren't 'Orthodox Jews'.
 
Wha...uhhhhh.....

You're still following? she lost me long ago. What was the argument really about?
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Settlers are not very good parents, they put acquisition of territory over the lives of their own children, apparently.

So did Avraham, Yitzchak, Yaakov, Yehoshua, the pilgrims and many other explorers and adventurers who pulled their families along with them.

You stupidity is shining; a dim shine, but a shine nonetheless.
 
Settlers are not very good parents, they put acquisition of territory over the lives of their own children, apparently.
What good would a Palestinian parent be if they didn't train their kids to blow themselves up?

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look at this one, she's even sporting a "peace" sign.
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maybe one day Achmed will grow up to blow up? Say cheese!
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truly the sickest, most disgusting, depraved people on earth
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Including babies.

Babies are fair game.

As I said earlier, please don't pretend to be a caring person of you keep saying such nonsense.

If you think babies are somehow exempted, please give me chapter and verse. And then devise a strategy for avoidance, given that their foolish parents take them into the front lines of a war zone and then cry "but don't hurt our babies!" If any of them showed any concern for any non-Jewish babies, I would listen, but the truth is, they don't. Since you value Jewish life and devalue Palestinian life, what do you expect Palestinians to do?

Get the babies out. You have a choice, Palestinians don't.
 
Roudy, you're a total idiot with these goofball Israel photographs.

If you're trying to maintain that these are Palestinian photographs, then give me a source. there's a good terrorist, Roudy....
 
Including babies.

Babies are fair game.

As I said earlier, please don't pretend to be a caring person of you keep saying such nonsense.

If you think babies are somehow exempted, please give me chapter and verse. And then devise a strategy for avoidance, given that their foolish parents take them into the front lines of a war zone and then cry "but don't hurt our babies!" If any of them showed any concern for any non-Jewish babies, I would listen, but the truth is, they don't. Since you value Jewish life and devalue Palestinian life, what do you expect Palestinians to do?

Get the babies out. You have a choice, Palestinians don't.

The Palestinians have a choice. They can educate their kids to become doctors and scientists and business men, instead they educate them to die for Allah.

I myself was raised in a war Zone. I lived in southern Israel my entire life. You want to tell me my parents were bad? Well in that case, **** you! You talk nonsense and this conversation is not worth continuing!
 
The Palestinians have a choice. They can educate their kids to become doctors and scientists and business men, instead they educate them to die for Allah.

I myself was raised in a war Zone. I lived in southern Israel my entire life. You want to tell me my parents were bad? Well in that case, **** you! You talk nonsense and this conversation is not worth continuing!



Lipush, like I said you are one of the few Z's on here I could possibly respect on intellectual grounds, and then you say something this b.f. stupid. Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda. if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.
 
The Palestinians have a choice. They can educate their kids to become doctors and scientists and business men, instead they educate them to die for Allah.

I myself was raised in a war Zone. I lived in southern Israel my entire life. You want to tell me my parents were bad? Well in that case, **** you! You talk nonsense and this conversation is not worth continuing!



Lipush, like I said you are one of the few Z's on here I could possibly respect on intellectual grounds, and then you say something this b.f. stupid. Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda. if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.

When a five and six year old child say it, then they ARE raised to do it

 
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Israel is recreated. Zionism was the dream of it's recreation. ZIonism is over and what remains is Israel. :thup:

The books all say that the final battle will be in Israel.

Thus, Israel is supposed to exist and so are those who continue to try to destroy it ... again.... and again.

Year 6000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The current (2013/2014) Hebrew year is 5774.

225 and counting.
 
[ame=http://youtu.be/vYK9iCRb7S4]By the Rivers of Babylon ( with lyrics) - YouTube[/ame]

Psalm 137
 
Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda.

A few of the wealthy gangster kids of the 'Palestinians' leadership. That's about it.

if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.

Of course they're raised to do it; that's what Arab peasants are for, to be extorted and desensitized for use as fodder.
 
Israel is recreated. Zionism was the dream of it's recreation. ZIonism is over and what remains is Israel. :thup:

That's kind of how I see it, Zionism as a done deal, at least for most of the flavors of Zionism; I counted around 8 or so a while back. For some of the deeply religious Jews, probably not a done deal, or for some of the Christian sects.
 
The Palestinians have a choice. They can educate their kids to become doctors and scientists and business men, instead they educate them to die for Allah.

I myself was raised in a war Zone. I lived in southern Israel my entire life. You want to tell me my parents were bad? Well in that case, **** you! You talk nonsense and this conversation is not worth continuing!



Lipush, like I said you are one of the few Z's on here I could possibly respect on intellectual grounds, and then you say something this b.f. stupid. Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda. if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.


Palestinian child prodigy becomes doctor at age 20
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(note, in the article, how Palestinians in Lebenon are barred from practicing medicine :( )

Palestinian children speak about their rights & dreams | World Vision International
Talking about her future and dreams, Balqis lights up, revealing the child within. She says when she’s 20: “I would like to study. I love to study, I would want to go to university, to do my masters, and my PhD, if that is possible. It would be my dream to study Physics. I would love to work in a laboratory- you can make things out of other things, invent things as you wish!” She wants to work very hard at school, so she can accomplish her dreams...

....He is like many boys his age in that he loves to play outside- ball games such as basketball and going to summer camp. His eyes twinkle as he talks about how he loves to swim and draw. Mohammad proudly shares how he ranked second place in his class, and looks forward to starting seventh grade. In the future, Mohammad says he wants to become a doctor. When he is 20, he says, “I hope I’ll be studying in a university in Ramallah. I want to be doing my PhD in general medicine.”
http://www.thisweekinpalestine.com/details.php?id=1886&ed=130&edid=130
 
Including babies.

Babies are fair game.

As I said earlier, please don't pretend to be a caring person of you keep saying such nonsense.

If you think babies are somehow exempted, please give me chapter and verse. And then devise a strategy for avoidance, given that their foolish parents take them into the front lines of a war zone and then cry "but don't hurt our babies!" If any of them showed any concern for any non-Jewish babies, I would listen, but the truth is, they don't. Since you value Jewish life and devalue Palestinian life, what do you expect Palestinians to do?

Get the babies out. You have a choice, Palestinians don't.

Children are never fair game nor should they be targets. Blame the government that allows them to be there - but children do not have a choice.
 
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Roudy, you're a total idiot with these goofball Israel photographs.

If you're trying to maintain that these are Palestinian photographs, then give me a source. there's a good terrorist, Roudy....

Let's have some proof from you that they're all fake....like you pretended those cartoons were. You know, the ones we found on the real live Fateh page that you somehow couldn't see?

Yah, sure - everything negative about Palestinians is 'Zionist propaganda' - but everything negative about Israelis is gospel to you.

Six different Jews tell you over and over and over how the NK and Satmar are NOT "orthodox" - and you persist in denying that we MIGHT be correct until I finally shove a Wiki article under your nose!!!! THAT's how much you refuse to believe anything posted by a 'Zionist' - even though you know you know next to nothing about Judaism, and that the people telling you that you were wrong with your asinine thread title DO know about Judaism because they live it.

Then you started with the BS about 'self-determination' and how R Asshole claims he's 'Orthodox' so nobody should disagree. That's crap: there's a rather firm consensus *among O Jews* as to what they believe, and R. Asshole doesn't share those beliefs: case closed.

I tried to explain that 'self-determination' idiocy of yours with the analogy to "Christian Identity" - and of course you didn't read my link, LOL! I know you didn't, because you haven't decided on whether CI are actually within Christian beliefs or not.......

And then someone posts something you don't like - so you go off again on one of your paranoid tirades about 'Zionist propaganda' ......I think you're desperate to avoid answering my questions. Looks like you've been caught with your ignorance and prejudice hanging out........

Don't worry: you can slink off anytime : )) After all, you've 'instructed' us Zionists that we're only a 'practice round' for the real debate. It's not like we really count to you: not like any of us are people, too.
 
The Palestinians have a choice. They can educate their kids to become doctors and scientists and business men, instead they educate them to die for Allah.

I myself was raised in a war Zone. I lived in southern Israel my entire life. You want to tell me my parents were bad? Well in that case, **** you! You talk nonsense and this conversation is not worth continuing!



Lipush, like I said you are one of the few Z's on here I could possibly respect on intellectual grounds, and then you say something this b.f. stupid. Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda. if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.

They were encouraged to do it. They are taught to believe that killing yourself while taking out as many Israelis as you can is the will if Allah and the right path to go down in life.
 
Palestinians ARE raising their kids to be doctors, etc. This other crap is Israeli propaganda.

A few of the wealthy gangster kids of the 'Palestinians' leadership. That's about it.

if someone wants to strap on a bomb and go for it, that is a decision they make. they weren't raised to do it.

Of course they're raised to do it; that's what Arab peasants are for, to be extorted and desensitized for use as fodder.

Is ami really fooling himself or can it be truly that ignorant of thing?
What planet has he been on for the last century? Where did he find his BS sites for the cr@p that he claims as facts?
 
Is ami really fooling himself or can it be truly that ignorant of thing?

Given the amount of spam he/she/it/mutant posts, obviously a large amount of time is spent on this, so I doubt it's ignorance or self-delusion; I'm pretty sure it''s deliberate propaganda and agenda driven.

What planet has he been on for the last century? Where did he find his BS sites for the cr@p that he claims as facts?
Long story, and it begins with the Cold War, the anti-Viet Nam war propaganda campaigns in both western Europe and the U.S. by Soviet sympathizers and disinformation campaigns through the 'Peace Left' media in the 1960's. Many of those memes and narratives never died with the demise of the Soviet Union, and are still very fashionable to this day. The 'New Left' adopted antisemitism because the Soviets wanted to make 'heroes' out of the 'refugees'; that goes all the way back to Nasser and other Soviet client states in the ME in the 1950's.

Throw in the U.S. and Israel becoming allies around 1967 while the U.S. was in Viet Nam trashing the Soveit plans to build a huge naval base astride the Asian shipping lanes, and you have a propaganda war in Europe. That war has carried over to the internet. Like I said, that stuff is still fashionable on the 'Peace Left', mainly because so many of the Leftist pseudo-intellectuals parked themselves in academia and have been peddling the bull**** to new, more credulous generations.

Re the 'New Left', here is a good article on the history of that enterprise.

Being Leftist and Anti-Semitic in Germany - Susanne Urban

The Postwar, Pre-1967 Roots

Anti-Semitism was never exclusive to the Right; Communism, for its part, often vilified Jews as capitalists. Communism in East Germany, as elsewhere, denied the right to practice the Jewish religion and sought to eradicate religion in general, including Judaism. East Germany's anti-Semitic policies first became evident in January 1953 when the Stasi - the state security service - confiscated documents of the Jewish communities, searched the homes of Jewish leaders, and spoke of a "Zionist conspiracy." After the Six Day War, East Germany officially adopted an anti-Zionist stance. However, no serious data on East German anti-Semitism is available before the reunification in 1989.

Although West German left-wing anti-Semitism also increased steadily after the Six Day War, before then the West German Left supported Israel generally, and specifically the Wiedergutmachung (Reparations Agreement of 1953) and the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1965. This friendliness was, however, based on an idealization of Israel, kibbutzim, and pioneering and was not on genuinely firm ground.[SIZE=-2]4[/SIZE] Opposition to the conservative government of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer also played a role in this left-wing philo-Semitism.

During the 1960s, the West German Left divided into a more "conservative" wing and a New Left trend. Whereas Chancellor Willy Brandt was said to be a true and unwavering friend of Israel,[SIZE=-2]5[/SIZE] many young leftists took radical positions and opposed Brandt's "establishment" Social Democratic Party. In 1966 they founded the Nonparliamentary Opposition (APO), a popular movement that sought to "renew" German politics from the outside. Many of its members and supporters later showed sympathy for the RAF, a leftist terrorist movement that had ties to the PLO and whose cadres trained in terrorist camps in Lebanon.

Student Radicalization

During the Six Day War, the New Left definitively transformed its hitherto moderate pro-Arab positions into full support for Arab states and the Palestinians, and its fragile pro-Israeli attitudes dissolved into anti-Semitic slogans thinly disguised as "anti-imperialist" criticism of a "fascist state."

After 1967, however, not only the radicals but large parts of the German Left turned their backs on Israel. This went hand in hand with protests against the Vietnam War, against the conservative mainstream in Adenauer's Germany and afterward the "Great Coalition" that was headed from 1966 by Chancellor Kurt Georg Kiesinger, a former member of the Nazi Party.[SIZE=-2]6[/SIZE] The New Left also idealized Communist China and Ho Chi Minh, despite their involvement in mass murder against their own people.[SIZE=-2]7
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Well-known intellectuals who were more moderate leftists tried to dissuade the New Left from its extreme positions. Ernst Bloch, Jean Amery, Herbert Marcuse, Iring Fetscher, and Jean-Paul Sartre argued with the radicals and discouraged blind solidarity with the PLO, as opposed to legitimate criticism of Israeli policies. They warned that notions of Israel's annihilation were intolerable and linked to National Socialist ideology. However, they were not heeded by the radicals.[SIZE=-2]8[/SIZE]
... and more at the link. Similar observations can be made about the British press and most other Leftist organs throughout Europe, though Britain has had a cadre of Arabophiles for a couple of centuries, so for Britain both the right and the left have always pretty much supported Islamists.
 
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