Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

[Phoenall]

The indiginous people of Palestine included Jews, Christians and Muslims (descendents of native peoples who converted to Islam).

NOPE as right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, then the Russians told Arafat that he needed a name to give his cause credibility. To call an arab muslim a Palestinian before this time was a serious insult that would result in your blood being spilt.

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

 

[Coyote]

The indiginous people of Palestine included Jews, Christians and Muslims (descendents of native peoples who converted to Islam).

NOPE as right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, then the Russians told Arafat that he needed a name to give his cause credibility. To call an arab muslim a Palestinian before this time was a serious insult that would result in your blood being spilt.

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

 

[Phoenall]

NOPE as right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, then the Russians told Arafat that he needed a name to give his cause credibility. To call an arab muslim a Palestinian before this time was a serious insult that would result in your blood being spilt.

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

 

[Coyote]

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

 

[MJB12741]

Most of todays Muslim Palestinians are just squatters with no titles or deeds to the land they stole whatsoever.

Who Are The Palestinians?  What And Where Is Palestine?

 

[montelatici]

Most of todays Muslim Palestinians are just squatters with no titles or deeds to the land they stole whatsoever.

Who Are The Palestinians? What And Where Is Palestine?

Why do you link to silly and amateurish propaganda sites. Do you think anyone believes the nonsense?

The squatters are the European invaders. The official migration statistics, from source documents make this fact self-evident.

From 1920 to 1946 414,456 persons, legally and illegally, migrated to Palestine. As depicted below 376,415 were Jews. The current squatters and their offspring.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

 

[Phoenall]

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

 

[Phoenall]

Most of todays Muslim Palestinians are just squatters with no titles or deeds to the land they stole whatsoever.

Who Are The Palestinians? What And Where Is Palestine?

Why do you link to silly and amateurish propaganda sites. Do you think anyone believes the nonsense?

The squatters are the European invaders. The official migration statistics, from source documents make this fact self-evident.

From 1920 to 1946 414,456 persons, legally and illegally, migrated to Palestine. As depicted below 376,415 were Jews. The current squatters and their offspring.

View attachment 56666

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ NYU Wagner

You do know that illegal immigrants are an unknown number because of their illegality and could be 10 times the numbers thought. The Jews were invited to close colonise their land at the request of the LoN under the mandate system, the arab muslims were told to move to arab Palestine ( trans Jordan ) so no invasion force at all until the arab muslims started to migrate illegally to the area. Then in 1947 the arab muslims invaded in force with the intentions of wiping out the Jews and stealing the land as their own. THEY LOST EVEN WITH A DEMOGRAPHIC ADVANTAGE OF 1000 TO 1. They will keep on losing as they don't have the links to the land that the Jews have, so don't fight for these links.

As shown by the Catholic church the numbers are different to your Islamic sourced ones


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291
"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm

 

[Coyote]

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

 

[MJB12741]

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

 

[montelatici]

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Nearly all Palestinians were either Muslim or Christian before the European Jews began colonizing the land.

 

[montelatici]

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Nearly all Palestinians were either Muslim or Christian before the European Jews began colonizing the land.

There were more Christians than Jews in Palestine in 1921.

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.


There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[Coyote]

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Wrong. There were many Palestinian Muslims who had lived there as long as the indiginous Jews.

 

[MJB12741]

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Wrong. There were many Palestinian Muslims who had lived there as long as the indiginous Jews.

That can only be true for Jewish converts. There simply were no Muslims at all until after the 7th century AD. Are you saying there were no Jews there prior to Islam?

 

[P F Tinmore]

NOPE as right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, then the Russians told Arafat that he needed a name to give his cause credibility. To call an arab muslim a Palestinian before this time was a serious insult that would result in your blood being spilt.

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

Indeed, a rose by any other name...

 

[montelatici]

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Wrong. There were many Palestinian Muslims who had lived there as long as the indiginous Jews.

That can only be true for Jewish converts. There simply were no Muslims at all until after the 7th century AD. Are you saying there were no Jews there prior to Islam?

Before the Muslims conquered Jerusalem the land was Christian. Christianity was the state religion in the Roman (Byzantine Romans) Empire. Jews were forbidden from the territory.

The Jews, Samaritans (and those practicing the old Roman religions) had converted to Christianity centuries before.

 

[Phoenall]

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

Will this do



Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

Nor were they Palestinians by their own admittance, they were Syrians or Christians. The term Palestinian referred to the Jews only and was a nasty word, just as ****, Juden, Zionist and other words are

 

[Phoenall]

So when did the Christians become Palestinian?

Did they ever become Palestinians, or did they just take on the name for clarity. The facts remain that from the time of the Roman conquest right up until 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews. The muslims were Syrians and the Christians were Christians by their own words.

That's completely false.

From: Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine.
Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since they seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture.

‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.
Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture.' Bassam Abu-Libdeh, Peter D. Turnpenny, and Ahmed Teebi, ‘Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians,’ in Dhavendra Kuma (ed.) Genomics and Health in the Developing World, OUP 2012 pp.700-711, p.700.

David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi claimed that the population at the time of the Arab conquest was mainly Christian, of Jewish origins, which underwent conversion to avoid a tax burden, basing their argument on 'the fact that at the time of the Arab conquest, the population of Palestine was mainly Christian, and that during the Crusaders’ conquest some four hundred years later, it was mainly Muslim. As neither the Byzantines nor the Muslims carried out any large-scale population resettlement projects, the Christians were the offspring of the Jewish and Samaritan farmers who converted to Christianity in the Byzantine period; while the Muslim fellaheen in Palestine in modern times are descendants of those Christians who were the descendants of Jews, and had turned to Islam before the Crusaders’ conquest.’ Moshe Gil, A History of Palestine,634-1099 Cambridge University Press, (1983) 1997 pp.222-3

'The process of Arabization and Islamization was gaining momentum there. It was one of the mainstays of Umayyad power and was important in their struggle against both Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.... Conversions arising from convenience as well as conviction then increased. These conversions to Islam, together with a steady tribal inflow from the desert, changed the religious character of Palestine’s inhabitants. The predominantly Christian population gradually became predominantly Muslim and Arabic-speaking. At the same time, during the early years of Muslim control of the city, a small permanent Jewish population returned to Jerusalem after a 500-year absence.' Encyclopedia Britannica, Palestine,'From the Arab Conquest to 1900,'.

'While population transfers were effected in the Assyrian, Babylonian and Persian periods, most of the indigenous population remained in place. Moreover, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 the population by and large remained in situ, and did so again after Bar Kochba's revolt in AD 135. When the vast majority of the population became Christian during the Byzantine period, no vast number were driven out, and similarly in the seventh century, when the vast majority became Muslim, few were driven from the land. Palestine has been multi-cultural and multi ethnic from the beginning, as one can read between the lines even in the biblical narrative. Many Palestinian Jews became Christians, and in turn Muslims. Ironically, many of the forebears of Palestinian Arab refugees may well have been Jewish.'Michael Prior,Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry, Psychology Press 1999 p.201

'the word 'Arab' needs to be used with care. It is applicable to the Bedouin and to a section of the urban and effendi classes; it is inappropriate as a description of the rural mass of the population, the fellaheen. The whole population spoke Arabic, usually corrupted by dialects bearing traces of words of other origin, but it was only the Bedouin who habitually thought of themselves as Arabs. Western travelers from the sixteenth century onwards make the same distinction, and the word 'Arab' almost always refers to them exclusively. . .Gradually it was realized that there remained a substantial stratum of the pre-Israelite peasantry, and that the oldest element among the peasants were not 'Arabs' in the sense of having entered the country with or after the conquerors of the seventh century, had been there already when the Arabs came.' James Parkes, Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine,(1949) rev.ed.Penguin, 1970 pp.209-210.​

NO as calling an arab muslim was an insult of the highest order that would have resulted in bloodshed.

Read the facts and weep. Your claim that the only Palestinians were Jews is false. Regardless of what name you give them the indiginous peoples of that region comprised a variety of ethnic and religious identities.

Indeed, a rose by any other name...

As long as it was nor Palestinian because that meant they were a filthy Jew

 

[Phoenall]

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Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Wrong. There were many Palestinian Muslims who had lived there as long as the indiginous Jews.

That can only be true for Jewish converts. There simply were no Muslims at all until after the 7th century AD. Are you saying there were no Jews there prior to Islam?

Before the Muslims conquered Jerusalem the land was Christian. Christianity was the state religion in the Roman (Byzantine Romans) Empire. Jews were forbidden from the territory.

The Jews, Samaritans (and those practicing the old Roman religions) had converted to Christianity centuries before.

Proof from a valid source

 

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It is not my facts at all, nor is it my claim. But it is the claim of the arab muslims prior to 1960 that the only Palestinians were the Jews, and the term was a racist swear word to the muslims

Support your claim with historical research then because I have found plenty of material that supports what I've shown and you can't discount it as "Islamonazifascistjooohating" sources.

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Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.[33] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.[

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand-alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[51] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE

Israeli historian Efraim Karsh takes the view that the Palestinian identity did not develop until after the 1967 war because the Palestinian exodus had fractured society so greatly that it was impossible to piece together a national identity. Between 1948 and 1967, the Jordanians and other Arab countries hosting Arab refugees from Palestine/Israel silenced any expression of Palestinian identity and occupied their lands until Israel's conquests of 1967. The formal annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950, and the subsequent granting of its Palestinian residents Jordanian citizenship, further stunted the growth of a Palestinian national identity by integrating them into Jordanian society

Perfect - because that explains exactly where the disconnect is occuring. You are referring to the "Palestinian Identity" - not people. It's like "Israeli" is a national identity even though Israel wasn't reinvented until the 1940s. The people have been there all along and they weren't just Jews.

True, but there were zero Muslim Palestinians. Most of them are just squatters with no tittles or deeds whatsoever to their stolen land.

Nearly all Palestinians were either Muslim or Christian before the European Jews began colonizing the land.

Cant see the tags saying I am a muslim on any of those people, so how do you know what denomination they are ?

According to the Catholic church the majority of inhabitants were Jews, are you calling your church liars now ?