Once again, Venezuela "Feeling the Bern" of socialism

[alpine]

"There are far more reasons to fight a war"

Correct, like liberty, freedom, democracy...


But if you are fighting a war for slavery, you already lost that war the time you started to fight it my friend.
Because 100 years later, people will look at you as the scum of this earth, even if you have won that battle.

There are very little that can sink below the confederation and their war for slavery.
If there were no jihadist terrorism, nor the nazi germany, the confederation would be the deepest sink hole of the civilized society...

So, it ouwld appear you have bought and swallowed hole the Social Marxist Revision of the Civil War history.

The South did not, as a whole, fight for the cause of slavery.

They fought for the freedom to pursue their own course of action when it was apparent that the North could elect a President that had zero favor in the South.


The rest of your horseshit is just you talking out of your large intestine.

South fought for freedom, yes, but only for themselves
North fought for freedom, for all


Thats why whole world despise the south, and hail the north when reading about the civil war,
and thats regardless what country they are from, UK, Russia, Lebanon, China... Same...

Because MAJORITY of the people, on this planet, just like in the USA, think south was morally wrong...

Thats how you make a law, a law against slavery
And everybody RESPECT that law...

Same way you make it, if you want to change a tax law
You get elected, and change the law, if you wanted to, like how Lincoln changed the slavery law.

This is how this country functions
This is how she functioned for the last hundreds of years
And hopefully she will continue to be so for the bright future


South will always exist
But North will keep dealing with them the same way they dealt before
by; Force....


naaaaaaah......


by Voting.....

 

[Andylusion]

"There are far more reasons to fight a war"

Correct, like liberty, freedom, democracy...


But if you are fighting a war for slavery, you already lost that war the time you started to fight it my friend.
Because 100 years later, people will look at you as the scum of this earth, even if you have won that battle.

There are very little that can sink below the confederation and their war for slavery.
If there were no jihadist terrorism, nor the nazi germany, the confederation would be the deepest sink hole of the civilized society...

So, it ouwld appear you have bought and swallowed hole the Social Marxist Revision of the Civil War history.

The South did not, as a whole, fight for the cause of slavery.

They fought for the freedom to pursue their own course of action when it was apparent that the North could elect a President that had zero favor in the South.


The rest of your horseshit is just you talking out of your large intestine.

South fought for freedom, yes, but only for themselves
North fought for freedom, for all


Thats why whole world despise the south, and hail the north when reading about the civil war,
and thats regardless what country they are from, UK, Russia, Lebanon, China... Same...

Because MAJORITY of the people, on this planet, just like in the USA, think south was morally wrong...

Thats how you make a law, a law against slavery
And everybody RESPECT that law...

Same way you make it, if you want to change a tax law
You get elected, and change the law, if you wanted to, like how Lincoln changed the slavery law.

This is how this country functions
This is how she functioned for the last hundreds of years
And hopefully she will continue to be so for the bright future


South will always exist
But North will keep dealing with them the same way they dealt before
by; Force....


naaaaaaah......


by Voting.....

So you are going to fast forward, ignoring prior history, to the civil war?

Before the founding of this country, the colonies voted in favor of slavery. When this country was founded, we voted in favor of making slavery the law of the land.

Slavery was supported in nearly every country around the world, by the public, for thousands of years.

You don't get to "selectively pick" which parts of history you get to start from.

Now, during all those hundreds and thousands of years, slavery was acceptable, and supported, by the public, and made into law.

Was that law moral, or not? Laws are not morality. Morality, is above the law. We hope, and try to make the laws, conform to morality. But when they don't... people disregard the law.

That's what we see around the world, with your regulations and taxation. When they become immoral, and the people reject them, they go into the shadow economy.

You can either be bitter about it.... are learn something, and stop acting like because you made it law, makes it right.

 

[Andylusion]

Dude.... what are you talking about?? We already have people who avoid paying taxes on stuff RIGHT NOW.... all across this country, to this very day.

I personally... right now can take you to a guy who works as a mechanic, everyone knows he does.... and he doesn't pay tax on jack. That's why he refuses checks or credit. You want your car fixed, you show up with cash.

When I worked at the auto parts store, there were a group of Mexican mechanics, that worked all the time... FOR CASH... because they were not paying tax.

You people...... you live in your silly left-wing dream world, where you can just raise tax, and raise tax, and pretend that everyone is just going to deal with it.

I can tell you about people who works a plumbers, and HVAC... cash only. No advertisements. You pay upfront, and they fix your stuff. They dont' pay tax.

What are you people SMOKING?!?!?
How Big Are Underground Payrolls? Try $2 Trillion

The shadow economy in the US is estimated at $2 Trillion dollars a year.

Again.... you can live in your fantasy world, but the fact is, the more left-wingers drive up tax and spend policies, the more people will turn to the underground economy. Just like Germany. Just like Greece. Just like Venezuela. Just like every single country that has ever tried socialism.

And you'll be b!tching and moaning about how immoral they are. Blaw blaw blaw.

But it won't change anything. You people never learn. 100 years of this nonsense, and you NEVER LEARN.

No no no, if anybody is BITCHING here, it is you BITCHING about your taxes, for the last 10 pages.



Majority, but a CRUSHING majority of 95% of the people in this country think paying taxes is the moral thing to do.

And 80% think it is morally wrong to avoid tax


This country is still strong because the amount of people who pay their fair share of taxes, CRUSH the amount of people like you.

But on the other hand; lice will always be lice....

You still don't get it. It doesn't matter. None of that matters. You can claim all you want that you have the majority with you. Doesn't matter.

The total US GDP is only $16.7 Trillion. The Shadow economy has grown to $2 Trillion, and is rising.

Do you not understand what that means? Nearly 11% of the entire US economy is now underground.

All your polls, and all your claims, all mean nothing do they? The number is rising. More and more people, are moving into the shadow economy every year.

And the numbers look far worse than you could imagine, if you sample merely for unreported income.

View attachment 75071

24%. Nearly 1 in every 4 people, is not reporting their income, to avoid paying taxes.

Now of course this is people who actually admitted it. Meaning the number is likely higher.

In other words.... all your grand standing.... is all BS. Yeah, people might say it when they are polled, or asked by a tele-pollster. But in reality.... it's not nearly as much a slam dunk as you claim.

Yeah, the vast majority support paying taxes today. And that will remain the case, as long as you don't jack up taxes and regulations like Greece.

The moment you do.... all that moral superiority will go right out the window, just like Greece, Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, Ecuador, and the list goes on.

But you are missing the fact that Greece has LOWER corp tax compared to the US, and corp still avoided tax in grand scale.

And as you have already accepted, majority of the people avoiding tax in this country, are not citizens, but illegal immigrants in the first place......



So what happened to your cute graphic up there now?

Now you can't even learn what is openly true. Corporate tax is one tax. Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US.

No no no no... . I never said they were illegal immigrants. In fact, very few are. If any. The only group I know that might have been illegal immigrants, were the group of Mexican auto mechanics. Everyone else, were all American citizens. Every single one. Most were white. One or two, were black. But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy.

"Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US."

Yes yes yes, and you havent named even one yet...



"But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy."

Yup, and as I said, they are only 5%

Since you cant go to your manager and ask for some money "under the table" when you are on a w2, you should be self employed to be able to avoid tax the way you have seen it done

Only 10% of the Americans are self-employed

The reason the numbers have been rising is that in the last decade illegal immigration was on the rise
It is the illegal immigrants who work "under the table", because they cant work otherwise


I bet most of them would be paying their taxes, if they could...

Quoting from post 86 on this same thread.....

Reynolds says Greek taxes on labor and capital are “brutal.” And indeed they are. The corporate tax rate is 26%, the personal income tax rate is 46%, the sales tax — or value-added tax — is 23%, and the social security tax is 42.01%. No wonder Greeks avoid the tax man.
​

High Tax Rates Make Greece’s Debt Problem Even Worse

So now not only are you ignorant, foolish, and mentally disabled... you are not officially a complete and total LAIR.

Anything to add to the conversation liar?

 

[alpine]

"There are far more reasons to fight a war"

Correct, like liberty, freedom, democracy...


But if you are fighting a war for slavery, you already lost that war the time you started to fight it my friend.
Because 100 years later, people will look at you as the scum of this earth, even if you have won that battle.

There are very little that can sink below the confederation and their war for slavery.
If there were no jihadist terrorism, nor the nazi germany, the confederation would be the deepest sink hole of the civilized society...

So, it ouwld appear you have bought and swallowed hole the Social Marxist Revision of the Civil War history.

The South did not, as a whole, fight for the cause of slavery.

They fought for the freedom to pursue their own course of action when it was apparent that the North could elect a President that had zero favor in the South.


The rest of your horseshit is just you talking out of your large intestine.

South fought for freedom, yes, but only for themselves
North fought for freedom, for all


Thats why whole world despise the south, and hail the north when reading about the civil war,
and thats regardless what country they are from, UK, Russia, Lebanon, China... Same...

Because MAJORITY of the people, on this planet, just like in the USA, think south was morally wrong...

Thats how you make a law, a law against slavery
And everybody RESPECT that law...

Same way you make it, if you want to change a tax law
You get elected, and change the law, if you wanted to, like how Lincoln changed the slavery law.

This is how this country functions
This is how she functioned for the last hundreds of years
And hopefully she will continue to be so for the bright future


South will always exist
But North will keep dealing with them the same way they dealt before
by; Force....


naaaaaaah......


by Voting.....

So you are going to fast forward, ignoring prior history, to the civil war?

Before the founding of this country, the colonies voted in favor of slavery. When this country was founded, we voted in favor of making slavery the law of the land.

Slavery was supported in nearly every country around the world, by the public, for thousands of years.

You don't get to "selectively pick" which parts of history you get to start from.

Now, during all those hundreds and thousands of years, slavery was acceptable, and supported, by the public, and made into law.

Was that law moral, or not? Laws are not morality. Morality, is above the law. We hope, and try to make the laws, conform to morality. But when they don't... people disregard the law.

That's what we see around the world, with your regulations and taxation. When they become immoral, and the people reject them, they go into the shadow economy.

You can either be bitter about it.... are learn something, and stop acting like because you made it law, makes it right.

There was slavery in this country
And people got together and abolished the slavery by making a new law, using their morality

And south said "We dont respect the law"
And we all know what happened to them at the end.

People of this country got together and made a law that covers the big majorities morality
and you either respect that law
or the law aint gonna take it lightly, I tell you

Morality makes the law
If peoples morality was that "nobody should pay taxes",
than that would have been the law, by now


Let me know when you guys win the elections and change the law
I will be happy not to pay any taxes, thats for sure

 

[Norman]

Socialism turns to anarchy in Venezuela...

Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: "Countless Wounded" After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
5/13/2016 - Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

Last night we showed what Caracas, looks like this week:

As we wrote then these are simply hungry Venezuelans protesting that their children are dying from lack of food and medicine and that they do not have enough water or electricity. As AgainstCronyCapitalism added, this is a country with more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government has stolen all the money and now they bottleneck peaceful protesters and threaten them with bombs (or haul them to prison and torture them). As pure desperation has set in, crime has becomes inevitable. A man accused of mugging people in the streets of Caracas was surrounded by a mob of onlookers, beaten and set on fire, who published a pixeled-out but still graphic video of the man burning as mob justice is now the supreme arbiter of who lives and who dies:

"Roberto Fuentes Bernal, 42, was reportedly caught trying to mug passersby in the Venezuelan capital, and before police arrived at the scene, the crowd took the law into their own hands." The video can be seen here. Now, in the latest shocking development, Venezuela saw a new wave of looting this week that resulted in at least two deaths, countless wounded, and millions of dollars in losses and damages. According to Panampost, on Wednesday morning, a crowd sacked the Maracay Wholesale Market in the central region of Venezuela. According to the testimonies of merchants, the endless food lines that Venezuelans have been enduring to do groceries could not be organized that day.

As time went by, desperate Venezuelans grew anxious over not being able to buy food. Then they started jumping over the gates and stormed the supermarket. "They took milk, pasta, flour, oil, and milk powder. There were 5,000 people" one witness told Venezuela outlet El Estímulo. People from across the entire state came to the supermarket because there were rumors that some products not found anywhere else would be sold there. As a result of the massive crowd, the authorities were unable to preserve the peace. "There were 250 people for each National Guard officer… lots of people and few soldiers. At least one officer was beat up because he tried to stop the crowd,” another source told El Estímulo. Other food dispensaries run by the government were also looted by the people. Far from the promised socialist paradise, as the massive group of people moved, an entrance gate collapsed under the weight of the crowd, leaving several wounded.

MORE

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Capitalist Greece you say?

Didn't they just elect a socialist...

Oh well...

 

[alpine]

No no no, if anybody is BITCHING here, it is you BITCHING about your taxes, for the last 10 pages.



Majority, but a CRUSHING majority of 95% of the people in this country think paying taxes is the moral thing to do.

And 80% think it is morally wrong to avoid tax


This country is still strong because the amount of people who pay their fair share of taxes, CRUSH the amount of people like you.

But on the other hand; lice will always be lice....

You still don't get it. It doesn't matter. None of that matters. You can claim all you want that you have the majority with you. Doesn't matter.

The total US GDP is only $16.7 Trillion. The Shadow economy has grown to $2 Trillion, and is rising.

Do you not understand what that means? Nearly 11% of the entire US economy is now underground.

All your polls, and all your claims, all mean nothing do they? The number is rising. More and more people, are moving into the shadow economy every year.

And the numbers look far worse than you could imagine, if you sample merely for unreported income.

View attachment 75071

24%. Nearly 1 in every 4 people, is not reporting their income, to avoid paying taxes.

Now of course this is people who actually admitted it. Meaning the number is likely higher.

In other words.... all your grand standing.... is all BS. Yeah, people might say it when they are polled, or asked by a tele-pollster. But in reality.... it's not nearly as much a slam dunk as you claim.

Yeah, the vast majority support paying taxes today. And that will remain the case, as long as you don't jack up taxes and regulations like Greece.

The moment you do.... all that moral superiority will go right out the window, just like Greece, Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, Ecuador, and the list goes on.

But you are missing the fact that Greece has LOWER corp tax compared to the US, and corp still avoided tax in grand scale.

And as you have already accepted, majority of the people avoiding tax in this country, are not citizens, but illegal immigrants in the first place......



So what happened to your cute graphic up there now?

Now you can't even learn what is openly true. Corporate tax is one tax. Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US.

No no no no... . I never said they were illegal immigrants. In fact, very few are. If any. The only group I know that might have been illegal immigrants, were the group of Mexican auto mechanics. Everyone else, were all American citizens. Every single one. Most were white. One or two, were black. But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy.

"Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US."

Yes yes yes, and you havent named even one yet...



"But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy."

Yup, and as I said, they are only 5%

Since you cant go to your manager and ask for some money "under the table" when you are on a w2, you should be self employed to be able to avoid tax the way you have seen it done

Only 10% of the Americans are self-employed

The reason the numbers have been rising is that in the last decade illegal immigration was on the rise
It is the illegal immigrants who work "under the table", because they cant work otherwise


I bet most of them would be paying their taxes, if they could...

Quoting from post 86 on this same thread.....

Reynolds says Greek taxes on labor and capital are “brutal.” And indeed they are. The corporate tax rate is 26%, the personal income tax rate is 46%, the sales tax — or value-added tax — is 23%, and the social security tax is 42.01%. No wonder Greeks avoid the tax man.
​

High Tax Rates Make Greece’s Debt Problem Even Worse

So now not only are you ignorant, foolish, and mentally disabled... you are not officially a complete and total LAIR.

Anything to add to the conversation liar?

What you don't get is that; the problem with Greece is not socialism
It was not the pension system that collapsed Greece, thats the stupidest argument ever
There are other countries in the same EU with pension systems, why they dont collapse then...

The more Greek people avoided tax, the more new tax came along. The social security tax was not this hight all along. Corp tax you can see is lower, therefore Greek gov already tried to protect corp over others, but what is the result? Corp steal and avoid tax even more....

But do you care about any of these facts?
Of course not

Greece is a corrupt country
Corrupted by people like you
And collapsed as a result...


You want to see the reason why Greece collapsed,
go look into a mirror....

 

[alpine]

Socialism turns to anarchy in Venezuela...

Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: "Countless Wounded" After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
5/13/2016 - Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela's collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that "Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money." At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela's own, sad apocalypse.

Last night we showed what Caracas, looks like this week:

As we wrote then these are simply hungry Venezuelans protesting that their children are dying from lack of food and medicine and that they do not have enough water or electricity. As AgainstCronyCapitalism added, this is a country with more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government has stolen all the money and now they bottleneck peaceful protesters and threaten them with bombs (or haul them to prison and torture them). As pure desperation has set in, crime has becomes inevitable. A man accused of mugging people in the streets of Caracas was surrounded by a mob of onlookers, beaten and set on fire, who published a pixeled-out but still graphic video of the man burning as mob justice is now the supreme arbiter of who lives and who dies:

"Roberto Fuentes Bernal, 42, was reportedly caught trying to mug passersby in the Venezuelan capital, and before police arrived at the scene, the crowd took the law into their own hands." The video can be seen here. Now, in the latest shocking development, Venezuela saw a new wave of looting this week that resulted in at least two deaths, countless wounded, and millions of dollars in losses and damages. According to Panampost, on Wednesday morning, a crowd sacked the Maracay Wholesale Market in the central region of Venezuela. According to the testimonies of merchants, the endless food lines that Venezuelans have been enduring to do groceries could not be organized that day.

As time went by, desperate Venezuelans grew anxious over not being able to buy food. Then they started jumping over the gates and stormed the supermarket. "They took milk, pasta, flour, oil, and milk powder. There were 5,000 people" one witness told Venezuela outlet El Estímulo. People from across the entire state came to the supermarket because there were rumors that some products not found anywhere else would be sold there. As a result of the massive crowd, the authorities were unable to preserve the peace. "There were 250 people for each National Guard officer… lots of people and few soldiers. At least one officer was beat up because he tried to stop the crowd,” another source told El Estímulo. Other food dispensaries run by the government were also looted by the people. Far from the promised socialist paradise, as the massive group of people moved, an entrance gate collapsed under the weight of the crowd, leaving several wounded.

MORE

Yup, and this is another socialist country with empty shelves

Ops, shit, sorry, this is capitalist Greece...

People who have never left their comfort bubble, commenting on the events around the world,
entertaining for sure....

Capitalist Greece you say?

Didn't they just elect a socialist...

Oh well...

Yes, the key word is "just" in your message,
which means "after the fact"

Hope makes sense...

 

[Andylusion]

"There are far more reasons to fight a war"

Correct, like liberty, freedom, democracy...


But if you are fighting a war for slavery, you already lost that war the time you started to fight it my friend.
Because 100 years later, people will look at you as the scum of this earth, even if you have won that battle.

There are very little that can sink below the confederation and their war for slavery.
If there were no jihadist terrorism, nor the nazi germany, the confederation would be the deepest sink hole of the civilized society...

So, it ouwld appear you have bought and swallowed hole the Social Marxist Revision of the Civil War history.

The South did not, as a whole, fight for the cause of slavery.

They fought for the freedom to pursue their own course of action when it was apparent that the North could elect a President that had zero favor in the South.


The rest of your horseshit is just you talking out of your large intestine.

South fought for freedom, yes, but only for themselves
North fought for freedom, for all


Thats why whole world despise the south, and hail the north when reading about the civil war,
and thats regardless what country they are from, UK, Russia, Lebanon, China... Same...

Because MAJORITY of the people, on this planet, just like in the USA, think south was morally wrong...

Thats how you make a law, a law against slavery
And everybody RESPECT that law...

Same way you make it, if you want to change a tax law
You get elected, and change the law, if you wanted to, like how Lincoln changed the slavery law.

This is how this country functions
This is how she functioned for the last hundreds of years
And hopefully she will continue to be so for the bright future


South will always exist
But North will keep dealing with them the same way they dealt before
by; Force....


naaaaaaah......


by Voting.....

So you are going to fast forward, ignoring prior history, to the civil war?

Before the founding of this country, the colonies voted in favor of slavery. When this country was founded, we voted in favor of making slavery the law of the land.

Slavery was supported in nearly every country around the world, by the public, for thousands of years.

You don't get to "selectively pick" which parts of history you get to start from.

Now, during all those hundreds and thousands of years, slavery was acceptable, and supported, by the public, and made into law.

Was that law moral, or not? Laws are not morality. Morality, is above the law. We hope, and try to make the laws, conform to morality. But when they don't... people disregard the law.

That's what we see around the world, with your regulations and taxation. When they become immoral, and the people reject them, they go into the shadow economy.

You can either be bitter about it.... are learn something, and stop acting like because you made it law, makes it right.

There was slavery in this country
And people got together and abolished the slavery by making a new law, using their morality

And south said "We dont respect the law"
And we all know what happened to them at the end.

People of this country got together and made a law that covers the big majorities morality
and you either respect that law
or the law aint gonna take it lightly, I tell you

Morality makes the law
If peoples morality was that "nobody should pay taxes",
than that would have been the law, by now


Let me know when you guys win the elections and change the law
I will be happy not to pay any taxes, thats for sure

Well no, that's not going to happen. When you say "You guys".... I dont' know who you are talking to, because very few people support my views.

At least not openly. But when 1 in 4 avoid taxes by not reporting income, they do in actions, what they deny in talk. No one here is going to say openly "I refuse to pay my taxes".

So, here is what will happen. My prediction, right here....

Your side will win. You will raise taxes, and add regulations. More and more people will refuse to pay their taxes, and hide in the Shadow economy, just as the trends suggests.

Eventually this will balloon the national debt, resulting in a crisis in the bond market, and we'll end up in either a hyper-inflation situation, or in an economic crisis like Greece... or a combination of both.

 

[Andylusion]

You still don't get it. It doesn't matter. None of that matters. You can claim all you want that you have the majority with you. Doesn't matter.

The total US GDP is only $16.7 Trillion. The Shadow economy has grown to $2 Trillion, and is rising.

Do you not understand what that means? Nearly 11% of the entire US economy is now underground.

All your polls, and all your claims, all mean nothing do they? The number is rising. More and more people, are moving into the shadow economy every year.

And the numbers look far worse than you could imagine, if you sample merely for unreported income.

View attachment 75071

24%. Nearly 1 in every 4 people, is not reporting their income, to avoid paying taxes.

Now of course this is people who actually admitted it. Meaning the number is likely higher.

In other words.... all your grand standing.... is all BS. Yeah, people might say it when they are polled, or asked by a tele-pollster. But in reality.... it's not nearly as much a slam dunk as you claim.

Yeah, the vast majority support paying taxes today. And that will remain the case, as long as you don't jack up taxes and regulations like Greece.

The moment you do.... all that moral superiority will go right out the window, just like Greece, Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, Ecuador, and the list goes on.

But you are missing the fact that Greece has LOWER corp tax compared to the US, and corp still avoided tax in grand scale.

And as you have already accepted, majority of the people avoiding tax in this country, are not citizens, but illegal immigrants in the first place......



So what happened to your cute graphic up there now?

Now you can't even learn what is openly true. Corporate tax is one tax. Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US.

No no no no... . I never said they were illegal immigrants. In fact, very few are. If any. The only group I know that might have been illegal immigrants, were the group of Mexican auto mechanics. Everyone else, were all American citizens. Every single one. Most were white. One or two, were black. But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy.

"Greece has dozens of taxes that are vastly higher than the US."

Yes yes yes, and you havent named even one yet...



"But all of them were born, and bred American citizens, working and operating in the shadow economy."

Yup, and as I said, they are only 5%

Since you cant go to your manager and ask for some money "under the table" when you are on a w2, you should be self employed to be able to avoid tax the way you have seen it done

Only 10% of the Americans are self-employed

The reason the numbers have been rising is that in the last decade illegal immigration was on the rise
It is the illegal immigrants who work "under the table", because they cant work otherwise


I bet most of them would be paying their taxes, if they could...

Quoting from post 86 on this same thread.....

Reynolds says Greek taxes on labor and capital are “brutal.” And indeed they are. The corporate tax rate is 26%, the personal income tax rate is 46%, the sales tax — or value-added tax — is 23%, and the social security tax is 42.01%. No wonder Greeks avoid the tax man.
​

High Tax Rates Make Greece’s Debt Problem Even Worse

So now not only are you ignorant, foolish, and mentally disabled... you are not officially a complete and total LAIR.

Anything to add to the conversation liar?

What you don't get is that; the problem with Greece is not socialism
It was not the pension system that collapsed Greece, thats the stupidest argument ever
There are other countries in the same EU with pension systems, why they dont collapse then...

The more Greek people avoided tax, the more new tax came along. The social security tax was not this hight all along. Corp tax you can see is lower, therefore Greek gov already tried to protect corp over others, but what is the result? Corp steal and avoid tax even more....

But do you care about any of these facts?
Of course not

Greece is a corrupt country
Corrupted by people like you
And collapsed as a result...


You want to see the reason why Greece collapsed,
go look into a mirror....

Whatever liar. Anything else you would like to add, liar? You can't even admit when you are wrong liar... so why should I bother responding to your lies, liar?

Stupid liars. You destroy your own credibility, and then think anyone will take you seriously. Liar liar.... all liars.

 

[JimBowie1958]

South fought for freedom, yes, but only for themselves
North fought for freedom, for all


Thats why whole world despise the south, and hail the north when reading about the civil war,
and thats regardless what country they are from, UK, Russia, Lebanon, China... Same...

I just disproved that bullshit, and you cling to it like stink ivy on a rotten pine tree.

You are deluded.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So, here is what will happen. My prediction, right here....

Your side will win. You will raise taxes, and add regulations. More and more people will refuse to pay their taxes, and hide in the Shadow economy, just as the trends suggests.

Eventually this will balloon the national debt, resulting in a crisis in the bond market, and we'll end up in either a hyper-inflation situation, or in an economic crisis like Greece... or a combination of both.

The principle value of moderate classic conservative-liberal thought int he US is that we will be rebuilding the nation from the wreckage these morons leave behind after they destroy themselves.

 

[bripat9643]

People of this country didnt agree, "fought" against slavery. Thats how morally wrong it was.

You gonna fight against tax?


I really wonder how many of you there are. We will se in the upcoming elections I guess...

They did vote for slavery.

And it was the law.

Was the law morally right, or not?

And they fought against the law, because the law was morally wrong.

The people in Greece are in fact fighting against the taxes and regulations, and they are doing so by simply refusing to pay them.

That's called "passive resistance."

No its not
Thats called "active robbery"
And its a crime

Try doing it in the US, and you will see what I mean....

Taxation is robbery. Look up the definition. It makes taking stuff from someone that doesn't belong to you. That's what government does. Avoiding taxation is avoiding robbery.

Your opinion.

However, majority of the American people disagree.

Therefore; you have to pay your taxes, even if you dont like it...

Truth isn't determined by popular vote.

 

[Andylusion]

They did vote for slavery.

And it was the law.

Was the law morally right, or not?

And they fought against the law, because the law was morally wrong.

The people in Greece are in fact fighting against the taxes and regulations, and they are doing so by simply refusing to pay them.

That's called "passive resistance."

No its not
Thats called "active robbery"
And its a crime

Try doing it in the US, and you will see what I mean....

Taxation is robbery. Look up the definition. It makes taking stuff from someone that doesn't belong to you. That's what government does. Avoiding taxation is avoiding robbery.

Your opinion.

However, majority of the American people disagree.

Therefore; you have to pay your taxes, even if you dont like it...

Truth isn't determined by popular vote.

You have to pay your taxes even if you don't like it.... he says after I just proved $2 Trillion of the economy is already untaxed, and 1 in 4 people refuse to report income to avoid taxes. And that's ignoring Greece, which shows clearly you don't have to, if you don't like it.

 

[Andylusion]

So, here is what will happen. My prediction, right here....

Your side will win. You will raise taxes, and add regulations. More and more people will refuse to pay their taxes, and hide in the Shadow economy, just as the trends suggests.

Eventually this will balloon the national debt, resulting in a crisis in the bond market, and we'll end up in either a hyper-inflation situation, or in an economic crisis like Greece... or a combination of both.

The principle value of moderate classic conservative-liberal thought int he US is that we will be rebuilding the nation from the wreckage these morons leave behind after they destroy themselves.

Atlas Shrugged.... Maybe she wrote that as a documentary instead of a novel.

 

[georgephillip]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

 

[bripat9643]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

Still pumping out that Communist propaganda, I see. No one can explain what the CIA supposedly did to "make the economy scream." That's because it did nothing. Allende did all by himself.

 

[Andylusion]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

I have often said that left-wing socialists are the political toddlers of the world. All they do is try and find someone to blame shift. Funny how socialism ALWAYS fails.... no exception... and yet it's ALWAYS someone else's fault..

 

[JimBowie1958]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

I have often said that left-wing socialists are the political toddlers of the world. All they do is try and find someone to blame shift. Funny how socialism ALWAYS fails.... no exception... and yet it's ALWAYS someone else's fault..

So compared to the USA, how has Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and Finland failed? Their economies are thriving and their GDP per capita is close to if not higher than ours.

 

[Andylusion]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

I have often said that left-wing socialists are the political toddlers of the world. All they do is try and find someone to blame shift. Funny how socialism ALWAYS fails.... no exception... and yet it's ALWAYS someone else's fault..

So compared to the USA, how has Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, and Finland failed? Their economies are thriving and their GDP per capita is close to if not higher than ours.

Yeah, and they are no where even close to being socialist. Not even close. Some are more capitalist than we are.

 

[georgephillip]

Hot off the BBC press.... it's just amazing. No matter how badly socialism destroys an entire nation, we here in the US still have people defending socialist ideas.

Socialist ideas in Venezuela today are "failing" for the same reason socialism "failed" in Chile forty years ago:

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"Revelations that President Richard Nixon had ordered the CIA to 'make the economy scream' in Chile to 'prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him,' prompted a major scandal in the mid-1970s, and a major investigation by the U.S. Senate."

Still pumping out that Communist propaganda, I see. No one can explain what the CIA supposedly did to "make the economy scream." That's because it did nothing. Allende did all by himself.

I doubt you have the slightest interest in learning how the CIA made Chile's economy scream forty years ago, but perhaps I'm wrong?

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

"These documents include:

• Cables written by U.S. Ambassador Edward Korry after Allende's election, detailing conversations with President Eduardo Frei on how to block the president-elect from being inaugurated. The cables contain detailed descriptions and opinions on the various political forces in Chile, including the Chilean military, the Christian Democrat Party, and the U.S. business community.
• CIA memoranda and reports on 'Project FUBELT'--the code name for covert operations to promote a military coup and undermine Allende's government. The documents, including minutes of meetings between Henry Kissinger and CIA officials, CIA cables to its Santiago station, and summaries of covert action in 1970, provide a clear paper trail to the decisions and operations against Allende's government
• National Security Council strategy papers which record efforts to 'destabilize' Chile economically, and isolate Allende's government diplomatically, between 1970 and 1973.
• State Department and NSC memoranda and cables after the coup, providing evidence of human rights atrocities under the new military regime led by General Pinochet.
• FBI documents on Operation Condor--the state-sponsored terrorism of the Chilean secret police, DINA.
• "The documents, including summaries of prison letters written by DINA agent Michael Townley, provide evidence on the car bombing assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt in Washington D.C., and the murder of Chilean General Carlos Prats and his wife in Buenos Aires, among other operations.

"These documents, and many thousands of other CIA, NSC, and Defense Department records that are still classified secret, remain relevant to ongoing human rights investigations in Chile, Spain and other countries, and unresolved acts of international terrorism conducted by the Chilean secret police.

"Eventually, international pressure, and concerted use of the U.S. laws on declassification will force more of the still-buried record into the public domain--providing evidence for future judicial, and historical accountability."