on MSNBC with Ari Melber, Matt Gaetz condemns Jan 6 violence, denies that he sought pardon from Trump despite Cassidy Hutchinson & others' testimony

[kyzr]

All you have shown is a bunch of liars not under oath claiming the same thing Miller did...until he was under oath and a request for troops to protect Trump's followers and Trump's own staff didn't follow through with the request...which was again, not to protect the captiol but to protect Trump's own seditionists.

I provided a link showing how Miller lied about Trump making a request on Hannity but then under oath said Trump made no request.

What else do you need? If all it takes is interviews on Hannity and Newsmax then you can't be helped.

Show me links of people under oath. I have already shown what they say under oath and what they say in your favorite right wing media sites, is usually different. Good grief.

Do NOT confuse Miller's testimony for J6 with his non-testimony from BEFORE J6. On J6 Trump did not request the NG. There was no time to activate them. The DC police and SWAT teams quelled the riot.

The J6 kangaroo court did NOT question anyone about what happened BEFORE J6, that's what you're missing, i.e. why wasn't the National Guard activated.

That's why we are talking past each other. We agree Miller's testimony regarding J6 is consistent.
The point I'm making is that there were two separate requests before J6 to have the National Guard activated.
1. By Capitol Police Chief Sund
2. By Trump on J3 at a meeting with Kash Patel, Gen Kellogg, Gen. Milley, Mark Meadows, and SecDef Miller. So why didn't the NG happen?

So if/when Jim Jordan puts these men under oath and asks them why the National Guard was NOT there to protect the Capitol as requested by Trump and Sund we can get to the TRUTH. Others in the NG decision loop include Sgt at Arms Irving, Nancy Pelosi, and the DC Mayor. They all need to be subpoenaed and questioned.

...why wasn't the National Guard there on J6?

 

[Care4all]

Thanks for admitting that the J3 meeting was NOT vetted during the kangaroo court J6 committee hearings. Nor was Capitol Police Chief Sund requested to testify about his early request for the National Guard.

Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots

Steven Sund contradicts reports that help was not requested, saying security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed calls for assistance ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol.

www.npr.org

"Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security. Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts. Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says."

You can deny the real truth and say that the kangaroo court is truth when we know it is NOT.
The key difference is WHO testified and which questions were asked.
IMHO no one asked about the J3 meeting where Trump requested that the National Guard protect the rally. All the committee questions focused on the J6 riot.
So there is no testimony that disputes what happened J3 or who denied the request for the National Guard. Jim Jordan will "fact-check" the J3 meeting and denial of the National Guard.

Chief Sund has said a lot more since the 5 days after 1/6 as well.....

You should try to keep up to date on it!!!

 

[kyzr]

Chief Sund has said a lot more since the 5 days after 1/6 as well.....
You should try to keep up to date on it!!!

Agreed. I'd subpoena Sund, Pelosi, Irving, Bowser, and the attendees at Trump's J3 meeting, i.e. SecDef Miller, Gen. Milley, Kash Patel, Mark Meadows, Gen. Kellogg, etc. to find out why the NG wasn't there on J6, as requested.

 

[Billiejeens]

Was it under oath? Link please.

Of course not -
That information went against the purpose of the infomercial.

 

[Billiejeens]

Agreed. I'd subpoena Sund, Pelosi, Irving, Bowser, and the attendees at Trump's J3 meeting, i.e. SecDef Miller, Gen. Milley, Kash Patel, Mark Meadows, Gen. Kellogg, etc. to find out why the NG wasn't there on J6, as requested.

While all those people should testify.
The Capital Police would put an end to the infomercial's lie themselves.
They documented it all. (Probably to save their own asses, but none the less).

 

[Billiejeens]

The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation



Milley openly and admittedly worked against the orders of his Commander and Chief, repeatedly.
In an actual functioning Republic, he would have been court marshaled long ago.

 

[Blaster]

The ones that hid the fact that Miller lied on Hannity and changed his story under oath about Trump requesting NG help.

Try to keep up.

Try to be more honest instead of pretending you know which news outlets I watch.

 

[Rye Catcher]

THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION. THAT'S A LIE. J6 WAS AN UNARMED PROTEST.

Here is what a real insurrection looks like:


Here is what J6 looked like:
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You really are a moron.

 

[kyzr]

You really are a moron.

You sound like one of those Low-IQ democrats.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Do NOT confuse Miller's testimony for J6 with his non-testimony from BEFORE J6. On J6 Trump did not request the NG. There was no time to activate them. The DC police and SWAT teams quelled the riot.

The J6 kangaroo court did NOT question anyone about what happened BEFORE J6, that's what you're missing, i.e. why wasn't the National Guard activated.

That's why we are talking past each other. We agree Miller's testimony regarding J6 is consistent.
The point I'm making is that there were two separate requests before J6 to have the National Guard activated.
1. By Capitol Police Chief Sund
2. By Trump on J3 at a meeting with Kash Patel, Gen Kellogg, Gen. Milley, Mark Meadows, and SecDef Miller. So why didn't the NG happen?

So if/when Jim Jordan puts these men under oath and asks them why the National Guard was NOT there to protect the Capitol as requested by Trump and Sund we can get to the TRUTH. Others in the NG decision loop include Sgt at Arms Irving, Nancy Pelosi, and the DC Mayor. They all need to be subpoenaed and questioned.

...why wasn't the National Guard there on J6?

I look forward to seeing these men under oath during the investigation...after the bill is submitted to combat inflation of course.

 

[Billiejeens]

Bombshell claims from a top lawyer investigating the January 6th riot at the Capitol indicate the FBI and other intelligence agencies could have prevented the chaos had they acted on the information that had already been gathered.

NBC News reports that former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy, a Democrat and the committee’s chief investigative counsel, did continue to assert that former President Trump’s words incited the crowd to action.

“But for (Trump’s) words, and deeds, it wouldn’t have happened,” he contends.

However – and this is the biggest however – he also accused the House select committee of leaving out information from their reports and televised hearings that security agencies could have stopped the mob that day regardless.

“That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence,” Heaphy said in an exclusive interview with NBC.

He added, “Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence.”

Aside from the admission from a top Democrat investigator that the events on January 6th could have been prevented by the FBI, the NBC News report also indicates the House select committee intentionally shielded the information from the public.

The highly partisan committee voted last month to refer four criminal charges against Trump to the Department of Justice over his alleged actions during the Capitol riot.

When asked about comments by committee chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) that placed the blame exclusively on Trump, Heaphy responded that “law enforcement could have and should have done a better job of anticipating” potential violence.

Additionally, the NBC news report indicates sources “familiar with the committee’s inner workings” have admitted to the intentional withholding of information from the public.

Those sources told NBC News that “the findings about intelligence and security shortcomings were left out of the public hearings and downplayed in the report because committee members wanted to keep the focus on Trump and avoid giving his supporters a talking point.”

Such an acknowledgment should be an embarrassment to the panel that had drawn their conclusions long before they even began any investigation.

An attempt to conceal facts not only fails to take away a talking point – Trump supporters had that knowledge well in advance with or without information from the panel – but it exposes the committee for the sham it was all along.

And they know it. Thompson, along with former congresswoman Liz Cheney, refused to provide NBC with a comment on their report.

RELATED: FBI Director Wray Won’t Say If He Had Informants Dressed as Trump Supporters at the Capitol on January 6th

Informant Warned FBI of a ‘Big’ Threat Weeks BEFORE Capitol Riot​

Heaphy continued to insist that the FBI’s failures were just as crucial as Trump’s words and actions on and before the January 6th riot.

He notes that committee investigators “reviewed numerous examples of compelling intelligence that appeared to have been downplayed or ignored.”

The NBC News report seems to mesh with previous reporting on an informant who warned the FBI weeks in advance that January 6th posed a “big” threat of violence, but who was ultimately ignored.

The informant highlighted an uptick in messages speaking of Civil War and a willingness to sacrifice lives prior to the riot.

All of the information was sent to the FBI on December 19th and, as NBC News indicates, “adds to the mounting evidence that the FBI had intelligence warnings that Jan. 6 was a major threat.”

“The bureau saw this coming,” the informant accused.

Not only did the FBI have information weeks in advance, but they allegedly had numerous informants in the crowd that day and still didn’t prevent the riot from getting out of hand.

Court documents examined by the New York Times show the FBI had as many as eight informants embedded with the “Proud Boys” group in the months leading up to the Capitol riot.

Prior to that, the Times publicized that the FBI had another well-placed informant within the Oath Keepers, another group that allegedly took part in the protest.

FBI Director Christopher Wray, when confronted on the possibility of the FBI being embedded in the crowd on January 6th, refused to offer a denial.

Wray instead said he had to “be very careful” about answering questions on whether the bureau had informants dressed as Trump supporters in the crowd.

The informant told NBC News that the warnings and information given to the FBI regarding riots on January 6th didn’t involve random calls to a tip line or submissions through generic web forms. It came directly from a trusted and vetted source.

They had no excuse not to act and take preventative measures.

“When you make mistakes, ideally, you’ll learn from them,” Heaphy said. “And this was a mistake.”

Making mistakes is one thing. Wholesale incompetence, which the FBI seems to have had a monopoly on for decades, is another.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Try to be more honest instead of pretending you know which news outlets I watch.

It's pretty common knowledge Miller changed his story under oath. Right wing news agencies didn't report it and you didn't know. You either watch right wing news or no news at all...which is not possible because you have espoused Miller's stories that were in the right wing news media.

 

[Billiejeens]

You sound like one of those Low-IQ democrats.

Because he is one.

 

[Billiejeens]

However – and this is the biggest however – he also accused the House select committee of leaving out information from their reports and televised hearings that security agencies could have stopped the mob that day regardless.

“That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence,” Heaphy said in an exclusive interview with NBC.



BJ - have we actually found an honest Democrat in this country?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Armed resistance. So, duh NOT an insurrection

insurrection

noun​

1. The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.
2. A rising up; uprising.
3. The act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint; specifically, the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state; incipient or limited rebellion.

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

www.law.cornell.edu

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Your dear Donald sure as hell incited the mob and many of those engaged in an insurrection.

You really are a moron, and a damn liar.

 

[Billiejeens]

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

www.law.cornell.edu

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Your dear Donald sure as hell incited the mob and many of those engaged in an insurrection.

You really are a moron, and a damn liar.

You literally spent 4 years rebelling against the legitimate government of The United States.

therefore, you can just fuck the fuck off.

 

[Blaster]

It's pretty common knowledge Miller changed his story under oath. Right wing news agencies didn't report it and you didn't know. You either watch right wing news or no news at all...which is not possible because you have espoused Miller's stories that were in the right wing news media.

 

[bripat9643]

More then 1. You missed it.

Quote it.

 

[bripat9643]

More then 1, simp.

Fact Check: Were There Armed Protesters at the Capitol on January 6?

As the House determines whether Donald Trump broke the law, the actions of the U.S. Capitol crowds on January 6, 2021, are yet again under scrutiny.

www.google.com

In April, 72-year-old Lonnie Coffman of Falkville, Alabama, was sentenced to four years in prison for bringing loaded guns, ammunition and Molotov cocktail ingredients to Washington on Jan. 6.​

​

The weapons were found in his truck—parked less than half a mile from the Capitol building—which he left to attend a rally at the National Mall. A statement by the Department of Justice said Coffman "also carried a loaded handgun and a loaded revolver as he walked around the area that day."​

"In his truck" is not the same as having them in his hands, dumbass. It was perfectly legal for him to have them in his truck. What does "as he walked around the area" mean?

​

In March 2022, 49-year-old Texan Guy Reffitt, was convicted (among other charges) for being unlawfully present on Capitol grounds while possessing a firearm and transporting firearms during civil disorder.​

​

"While transporting them?" That means he had them in his car, which is normally perfectly legal.

A Department of Justice indictment from January 2021 also states that Christopher Alberts, Maryland, was found carrying a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6.

Off-duty Drug Enforcement Administration agent Mark Sami Ibrahim, 32, was also indicted by a grand jury for bringing a firearm within the United States Capitol and its grounds.​

​

Unless he brought them to the building, it doesn't count

In an article for Newsweek, Nick Suplina and Justin Wagner of Everytown for Gun Safety said they had identified "12 individuals allegedly tied to the events of Jan. 6 who were arrested in Washington, D.C., and charged with firearms offenses."​

In Washington DC? It's not illegal to have a gun in Washington DC. The entire city is not off limits.

 

[Catsnmeters]

White

White flag noted.