On Jan 6, did Congress/ Mike Pence have the authority to overrule the States Electoral Votes?

[Faun]

Getting back to the thread, the Vice President does have the authority to halt the certification process of the election if they suspect irregularities.

You're pathological.

The VP has no authority to do any such thing. The VP's role is as an MC, announcing which states are reporting their counts, to check if any members of Congress object to any returns, and to bang his gavel to report when the joint session is in session and on recess.

 

[Faun]

How do you stop any theft in progress?
You call the police and get it investigated.
So then how is stopping what is believed to be a steal, at all similar to an insurrection, which essentially is a deliberate steal?

The purpose of "stop the steal" was to prevent Biden from being certified the winner of the election.

 

[lennypartiv]

The purpose of "stop the steal" was to prevent Biden from being certified the winner of the election.

Which should be expected after we have an election with voter fraud.

 

[Faun]

They were hoping Pence and Congress would get the message.

By threatening to hang Pence? And "stop the steal" was an attempt to overthrow the government.

 

[Faun]

Which should be expected after we have an election with voter fraud.

Wrong, that's anarchy and should be squashed with every available effort. There are avenues built into the system to determine if an election was actually stolen or not. Rejecting the outcome of those avenues because you don't like the results is unacceptable in a first world country. That's the kind of abysmal behavior that occurs in banana republics. We have to follow the Constitution, the laws and the procedures in place if we're to remain a country. Not act out like spoiled babies because we didn't get our way.

Case in point, it's 2022 and you fucktards are no closer to proving massive fraud then you were 14 months ago. Virtually every claim has been debunked and some of your most ardent supports, like pillow guy and Krakenstein, have crashed & burned spectacularly.

Now with no massive fraud proven 14 months after the election despite the efforts of thousands upon thousands trying desperately to find it, imagine had Trump been successful at pulling off his coup and being named president despite losing the election ONLY because he was able to convince his retarded cult that he was robbed. It would have been the end of America.

 

[Rigby5]

You're pathological.

The VP has no authority to do any such thing. The VP's role is as an MC, announcing which states are reporting their counts, to check if any members of Congress object to any returns, and to bang his gavel to report when the joint session is in session and on recess.

Wrong.
The whole point if that Congress is supposed to ensure there were no irregularities.
That is what is implied by the word "certification".
If irregularities are suspected, then the results are NOT supposed to be rubber stamped.
Many states ARE very corrupt and suspect, like Cook County in IL.
If the intent of the founders were to not allow Congressional and VP discretion, they would not have used the word "certification".
You need to get a dictionary.

 

[Rigby5]

The purpose of "stop the steal" was to prevent Biden from being certified the winner of the election.

So?
If that is what they believed, then some time should have been taken to examine their beliefs.
That is what the law requires.

 

[Rigby5]

By threatening to hang Pence? And "stop the steal" was an attempt to overthrow the government.

Hanging in effigy is a time honored tradition.
Without weapons, there was no "insurrection", and calling it such is deliberate slander.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong, that's anarchy and should be squashed with every available effort. There are avenues built into the system to determine if an election was actually stolen or not. Rejecting the outcome of those avenues because you don't like the results is unacceptable in a first world country. That's the kind of abysmal behavior that occurs in banana republics. We have to follow the Constitution, the laws and the procedures in place if we're to remain a country. Not act out like spoiled babies because we didn't get our way.

Case in point, it's 2022 and you fucktards are no closer to proving massive fraud then you were 14 months ago. Virtually every claim has been debunked and some of your most ardent supports, like pillow guy and Krakenstein, have crashed & burned spectacularly.

Now with no massive fraud proven 14 months after the election despite the efforts of thousands upon thousands trying desperately to find it, imagine had Trump been successful at pulling off his coup and being named president despite losing the election ONLY because he was able to convince his retarded cult that he was robbed. It would have been the end of America.

An investigation would be "anarchy"?
That is nonsense.
The whole intent of the "certification process" is to halt a rubber stamp approach is there is anything suspect.
That is what the word "certification" requires.

The fact I never believed there as any election irregularities in this election, is irrelevant.
There have been in the past, and they could easily happen any time.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
The whole point if that Congress is supposed to ensure there were no irregularities.
That is what is implied by the word "certification".
If irregularities are suspected, then the results are NOT supposed to be rubber stamped.
Many states ARE very corrupt and suspect, like Cook County in IL.
If the intent of the founders were to not allow Congressional and VP discretion, they would not have used the word "certification".
You need to get a dictionary.

Yes, "Congress." You said the VP could do that. You lied again.

 

[lennypartiv]

Yes, "Congress." You said the VP could do that. You lied again.

Wasn't Pence there with Congress performing official duties?

 

[Faun]

So?
If that is what they believed, then some time should have been taken to examine their beliefs.
That is what the law requires.

It doesn't matter what the fuck they believed. They had 2 months to examine their beliefs. That is what the law allowed. Time was up and it was time for them to accept Trump lied to them.

 

[Faun]

Hanging in effigy is a time honored tradition.
Without weapons, there was no "insurrection", and calling it such is deliberate slander.

I'm not talking about hanging in effigy, you pathological liar. I'm talking about the people shouting, "hang Mike Pence!"

 

[Faun]

An investigation would be "anarchy"?
That is nonsense.

No, storming the Capitol over Trump's Big Lie is anarchy.

 

[Faun]

Wasn't Pence there with Congress performing official duties?

Yes. Those duties don't include unilaterally rejecting electors. That is a role which can be performed by Congress, not the VP.

 

[BlindBoo]

Which should be expected after we have an election with voter fraud.

You can't just un-patriotically scream fraud without evidence to submit to a court of law as prescribed by the election laws of your state.

The ex president is guilty of election tampering and should face felony charges.

 

[BlindBoo]

An investigation would be "anarchy"?
That is nonsense.
The whole intent of the "certification process" is to halt a rubber stamp approach is there is anything suspect.
That is what the word "certification" requires.

The fact I never believed there as any election irregularities in this election, is irrelevant.
There have been in the past, and they could easily happen any time.

It's up to the states to certify the validity of their elections. There was not alternative government in any state that supplied an alternate slate of electors like happened in 1876 that could have been cause for any valid objection.

 

[BWK]

Stop the Steal

That was the objective of the mob storming the Capitol.
Do you believe Congress or the Vice President has the authority to overturn the states Electoral Votes?

Which electoral votes are we talking about? The legal one's or the fake elector one's by Republicans;

 

[BWK]

It's up to the states to certify the validity of their elections. There was not alternative government in any state that supplied an alternate slate of electors like happened in 1876 that could have been cause for any valid objection.

Except five states with fake Republican electors tried certify their states elections with forged documents declaring Trump the winner when he wasn't. We will never trust states again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTpIRevl_Fc

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, "Congress." You said the VP could do that. You lied again.

The VP is the one presiding over Congress at that point, so has authority over the other members of congress at that point.
So then YES, the VP can prevent certification all on his own.
That is the whole point of having the VP preside over certification.
One more check and balance.
If you can't trust the VP, you might as well have an insurrection.