Oklahoma Passes Bill Banning ALL Abortions - No Rape Exceptions - 10 years in Prison for Performing one

[Cecilie1200]

Abortion is abortion, not murder

That's why, you know, the word is different. Come back tomorrow, I'll teach you more about 1st grade and how different words mean different things.

Spoken like the truly illiterate minion I knew you to be.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How come if a drunk driver kills a pregnant lady it’s considered a double homicide even if the lady is only one day pregnant?

How come if a woman pays someone to kill her baby in the womb none of these laws hold her accountable?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

abortion is murder, anyone that believes in abortion is a fucking hypocrite

Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term and legally abortion does not qualify.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I did not look at that page. I have trouble with verbiage on the first page I post with crap like degrees of consanguinity. So, I didn't know that. One thing for sure though, Rhode Island is definitely where the majority of the brother f#ckers in the United States are, and it is deep in Yankee territory, not down in the southern lands of hillbilly Bob, contrary to popular notion, north of the Mason Dixon Line.

I didn't know it either. I thought it was illegal in all states so I was shocked when another poster pointed that out to me. I forget what the discussion was about now. In any case I'm sure it's not practiced very much...... at least I hope it's not.

 

[Zincwarrior]

total BS

women are never forced to raise a child they don't want to raise..

ever heard of Adoption?

where... you know..


nobody has to be slaughtered to solve a problem?

Yay, Oklahoma! I lived there once...


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They still have to go through the risks of an involuntary pregnancy. Is the state going to pay her medical bills?

 

[Zincwarrior]

How come if a woman pays someone to kill her baby in the womb none of these laws hold her accountable?

Derp because women would vote all you rascals out of office in 7.8 seconds. They know it.

 

[White 6]

I didn't know it either. I thought it was illegal in all states so I was shocked when another poster pointed that out to me. I forget what the discussion was about now. In any case I'm sure it's not practiced very much...... at least I hope it's not.

Did you know the Rhode Island, brother/sister thing if 16 or older?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Derp because women would vote all you rascals out of office in 7.8 seconds. They know it.

Yes, because all women are fanatically in favor of killing unborn babies, and care about nothing else. So glad you came along to mansplain my priorities to me.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, because all women are fanatically in favor of killing unborn babies, and care about nothing else. So glad you came along to mansplain my priorities to me.

Glad I could be of help.

 

[BlindBoo]

the left hate science

Science has shown us as of a long time ago

that life begins

OMG

OMG

at the beginning

conception.... Whoda thunk it?


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Yeah, science figured out that everyone who ever lived began life as a 1 celled zygote, Science also figured out that zygotes don't always attach to the womb and many get flushed away with the natural cycle. Nothing sacred or divine about the point of conception.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Glad I could be of help.

Didn't need it, since I had already figured out you were a dumbass, arrogantly proud of the intelligence you don't have.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Didn't need it, since I had already figured out you were a dumbass, arrogantly proud of the intelligence you don't have.

Sounds like you're working through some anger there.

 

[g5000]

Obviously no one kept statistics, but my guess is that claims 5K or more women per year died are ... untrue. But I assume you are old enough, as am I, to recall those days.

the good ole days

The Bad Old Days: Abortion in America Before Roe v. Wade

As a young doctor, I removed a rubber catheter from the uterus of a woman with fever of 106 degrees. A dietitian in a nearby city had inserted the catheter through her cervix to induce an abortion.

www.huffpost.com

Back in the '50s and '60s, every major metropolitan hospital in the U.S. had a septic abortion ward. The most common reason for admission to gynecological services in America was complication of abortion. When I was a doctor at L.A. County hospital in 1986, my predecessors who’d trained there told me the septic abortion ward at that hospital was a 20-bed, U-shaped ward, and they had two private rooms. These private rooms were there so women could be alone with their families as they died from complications of illegal abortions, and those rooms were always full. When the California laws changed in 1967 and abortion became legal in the state, those wards emptied, closed, and were converted to other uses.

What It Was Like to Perform Abortions Before Roe v. Wade

Two doctors recall the hardships and horrors facing women before the United States legalized abortion.

www.cosmopolitan.com

I looked into it a long time ago. Something around 100 women a year died from illegal abortions.

Most illegal abortions were performed by the same doctors who perform legal ones today. And if abortion was made illegal again, the same would be true.

It's not some grizzled bum with a coat hangar. That's a myth.

 

[g5000]

In Aborting America (1979) Dr. Bernard Nathanson writes: "In NARAL we generally emphasized the drama of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always '5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year.' I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the 'morality' of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?"

 

[g5000]

'We fed the public a line of deceit, dishonesty, a fabrication of statistics and figures. We succeeded [in breaking down the laws limiting abortions] because the time was right and the news media cooperated. We sensationalized the effects of illegal abortions, and fabricated polls which indicated that 85% of the public favoured unrestricted abortion, when we knew it was only 5%. We unashamedly lied, and yet our statements were quoted [by the media] as though they had been written in law.'

(quoted in John Powell, Abortion: the silent Holocaust. Tabor, Allen, Texas. 1981.)

How the abortion movement started with deceit and lies--Dr Nathanson

www.bmj.com

 

[Sandy Shanks]

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."
“We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
***********************************************************************************************Donald J. Trump, Jan. 6, 2021

147 Republicans voted to overturn the 2020 Presidential election results.

Following the Republican attempt to overthrow the elected government, the party is continuing its assault on American democracy and our Constitution.

Our Constitution states clearly that the federal government is supreme over state governments. It is called the Supremacy Clause, and it means, among other things, that states cannot pass laws that violate federal law.

Article VI, paragraph 2 clearly states, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby.

Roe v. Wade is the law of the land according to the Supreme Court. The court ruled (7–2) in 1973 that unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional.

Republicans in Oklahoma violated the Constitution.

ABC reports, "The Oklahoma House gave final legislative approval on Tuesday to a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

"With little discussion and no debate, the Republican-controlled House voted 70-14 to send the bill to Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt, who has previously said he'd sign any anti-abortion bill that comes to his desk."

Obviously, we have the Religious Right involved in all of this. So, now, in addition to the problems created by Trump and his allies in Congress, we have religious extremists from the rural counties of Oklahoma attempting to re-write our Constitution.

Once again the Republican Party challenges American democracy. Oddly enough, the GOP is expected to gain control of Congress in the November mid-terms. Go figure. Does our country have a problem here?

How do Republicans on this forum handle all this and countless other issues seen here?

They don't. They simply ignore the many issues that plague the Republican Party.

 

[Rigby5]

So you think we should be able to kill the babies anytime till they have total consciousness and self awareness?

As for me, I considered my children to be just that from the very second we found out my wife was pregnant with both of them. There was never a time when I did not view them as human beings.

Do your kids know you did not think they were humans until they were a few years old?

In reality EVERYONE understands that consciousness and self awareness are all that count.
The is why we pull the plug on those with terminal brain damage.
Without a brain, there is no point in pretending there is anyone in there any more.

When you value and protect the infant who is not yet sentient or conscious, it is out of the knowledge that they eventually will be, not because they already are of value as complete human being.
They are not complete human beings until they are sentient and conscious.

There are even lots of adults who I do not consider as real human being, such as Oklahoma legislators.

 

[scruffy]

I’ve been to Broken Arrow for Rooster Days many years ago.

Oh, okay. Well then, you're familiar with my neck o'the woods.

Let me just ask, what do you think the chances are, that Broken Arrow will become Biden territory?

 

[Rigby5]

I didn't know it either. I thought it was illegal in all states so I was shocked when another poster pointed that out to me. I forget what the discussion was about now. In any case I'm sure it's not practiced very much...... at least I hope it's not.

If European humans had not inbred, then we would still all be Black.
The genetic trait for extra Melanin of dark skin, could not have been lost since less than 100,000 years ago when we left Africa, because dark skin is to dominant and white skin so recessive.
The only way we could have developed white skin so quickly was through a whole lot of inbreeding.
The ice age glaciers likely helped promote inbreeding, due to isolation.

The point being that inbreeding means rapid change, not necessarily always bad.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh, okay. Well then, you're familiar with my neck o'the woods.

Let me just ask, what do you think the chances are, that Broken Arrow will become Biden territory?

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The History of Rooster Days​

Rooster Days is the oldest festival in Oklahoma…And just where is the old red rooster?
He has just about disappeared without a trace from the big spring celebration in Broken Arrow he gave his name to. But while missing, he will not be forgotten by the old timers who came to town on warm May Saturdays with their pickups and wagons full of crated roosters and fresh eggs to trade for supplies and to enjoy the Chamber of Commerce party.
Newcomers to Broken Arrow may be surprised to find that everything is about ready for Rooster Day the middle of May. That is, everything but the roosters. They are not much in evidence during the period of preparation as they are just as scarce during the celebration itself.
So why is “Rooster” in the festival title? You must go back to the spring of 1931, when there was a thriving poultry industry on the farms and acreage surrounding Broken Arrow. Secretary-Manager of the chamber at that time, for the salary of $35.00 a month was Leo S. Wortman, who also was vocational agriculture instructor at the high school. He came up with the idea of establishing a special day for farmers to bring to market their excess roosters. The roosters, you see, were messing up plans to establish an infertile egg market here.
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HISTORY | Rooster Days

Oklahoma's longest-running festival! For 94 years, the Rooster Days Festival presented by TTCU Federal Credit Union has remained a community tradition.

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