Ok Mr.Trump, I'm on board.

[PredFan]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Wow! All I can say to that is that your distaste for Trump has, unbalanced you.

Unbalanced me? because I can recognize him for what he really is?

If you consider all the pom-pom waiving, slogan shouting, sign toting lemmings that debase themselves for these asshole politicians like they're the second coming of Christ "balanced", then yeah chalk me up under the "unbalanced" column. At least I can take comfort in the fact that I haven't abandoned my principles for the sake of joining the pathetic herd of drones that worship these crooks and won't have any problems with mirrors or looking my Children in the eyes after this disaster in the making comes to fruition.

No because you think Hillary is anywhere near the right on anything.

Clearly unbalanced.

 

[Siete]

poor Donnie and his Trumpbots, they're in for a horrible let down. Lilly better triple production of Zanex or whatever the best drugs are for depression.

 

[ClosedCaption]

His SCOTUS list sold me.

Skeptics may say that he is just saying whatever he needs to to get elected, and I would have a difficult time arguing that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

The SCOTUS is the important issue this election.....that and keeping the criminal Hillary out of the White House.

This is like a bear saying Ok salmon you won me over. ***** you liked salmon the whole time

 

[NightFox]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Can you be more specific? Where specifically is Hillary to the right? And how are you defining the right? Which promise has Trump broken? You made a lot of sweeping allegations and assumed we would all simply accept them as fact.

Go look at the records for yourself weasel, Hillary has been consistently hawkish on foreign policy and national defense since the beginning of her time in the Senate (even going so far as to suggest that War with Iran wasn't off the table at one point), her positions on those two issues have generally aligned quite closely with the war hawk wing of the GOP (Bush, McCain, Graham, et al), she was an advocate as PAY-GO (she voted in favor of it) and her proposals for new spending are rather modest when compared to Trump's ideas (of course she wants to raise taxes to do it).

Trump on the other hand is all over the map with respect to national defense and foreign policy and has no consistent record on his positions on government spending (if you go back through what he has said from just 2000 forward), and he's already back tracking on his positions from the GOP primary campaign (minimum wage, taxes & spending just to name the ones that I've noticed) and what about all his bullshit about self funding his campaign so that he can't be bought? Well in case you haven't heard, that one's out the window for the General Election, Trump is accepting campaign donations for the General, so apparently he CAN BE BOUGHT after all.

Don't get me wrong, I LOATHE Hillary Clinton and would rather drink hemlock than cast a vote for her but I don't see that Donald Trump is any better and in fact I suspect that if he is elected President it will do an ENORMOUS amount of damage to the conservative movement and limited (small) government advocacy.

 

[Boss]

I don't think we can judge any SCOTUS pick until they are seated and make some rulings. I thought Roberts was a good pick and he turns out to be probably the worst justice in my lifetime. No matter who is picked they will never fill Scalia's shoes... he is one of the 5 greatest justices of all time.

I'm not on board with Trump yet.... can't get there this way. As long as he runs from Conservatism and his antagonistic hoard of fanatical supporters continue to denigrate me and insult my intelligence... it's just not likely going to happen. I hate that... really, I do! I honestly and truly WANT to be able to vote for Trump. It's kind of pathetic because it wouldn't take a lot to get me on board. Just stop the slobbering all over liberals and repeating liberal memes left and right and start talking about sound Conservative principles again... you know, like when you first started out?

We're still a little over 5 months away from the election and there will still be some debates and opportunities for Trump to turn things around but I think he is doing irreparable damage right now. He continues to push more and more Conservatives OUT of the Big Tent and they won't be able to vote for him under ANY circumstance, including the threat of a Hillary presidency.

Understood but he went to conservatives and he got this list from them. That is certainly not pushing conservatives put, it is an attempt to bring them in. He will have to do more if he is to get the hold outs like you, I understand that.

Concider that the GOP has not put up a conservative since Reagan, so if you gauge Trump by the candidates since Reagan, it would be more fair. Trump is not a conservative, I'm not saying he is, but some of us concider the SCOTUS pick to be the most important thing this cycle. True, Roberts betrayed his duty but that is always a risk no matter who is doing the choosing.

Well, I am not a "never trump" person. In fact, I actually contemplated supporting Trump over Cruz back in the beginning. I actually made a thread arguing in favor of Trump on the basis that he was more centrist and not branded by the "far right" ideology thrown by the left. I ultimately supported Cruz because he aligns more with my personal ideology but I said I would back Trump if he could win the nomination. I was concerned when he supported ethanol subsidies in Iowa in order to pander to corn farmers and when he supported federal land grabs from states. Where he lost me was in the later part of the primaries when he started attacking Carson and Cruz. Then he had that Micheal Moore meltdown on GWB at the debate. Then he started the "Lyin' Ted" crap... and his fanatics piled on.

So at this point... My vote is not going to Trump. Instead of trying to WIN my vote back, he ran out there and lurched LEFT... said we need to raise the minimum wage and taxes on the rich! Said he didn't care and didn't need my vote... And his little minion fanatics cheer him on and take turns kicking me in the nuts and calling me stupid because I speak out about that. Well, okay, if I were writing a textbook on How NOT to Win My Vote... THAT would be the first chapter.

 

[NightFox]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Wow! All I can say to that is that your distaste for Trump has, unbalanced you.

Unbalanced me? because I can recognize him for what he really is?

If you consider all the pom-pom waiving, slogan shouting, sign toting lemmings that debase themselves for these asshole politicians like they're the second coming of Christ "balanced", then yeah chalk me up under the "unbalanced" column. At least I can take comfort in the fact that I haven't abandoned my principles for the sake of joining the pathetic herd of drones that worship these crooks and won't have any problems with mirrors or looking my Children in the eyes after this disaster in the making comes to fruition.

No because you think Hillary is anywhere near the right on anything.

Er... she's to the right of Trump on several major issues that conservatives claim to care about (particularly foreign policy and national defense) , I'm not claiming she's a conservative just more so on several fronts than Trump is, which shouldn't surprise anybody since he's clearly a populist with little (if any) adherence to traditional conservative principles.

Some examples of "Trump the Conservative"

+ Trump supported President Obama's 2009 stimulus plan
+ Trump supported President Obama's Auto Company bailouts
+ Trump supported the Bank Bailouts going so far as to say the government "can take over companies, and, frankly, take big chunks of companies."
+ Trump has advocated single-payer style Universal Health Care (in his book "The America We Deserve")
+ Trump has justified the use of eminent domain to take citizens property by force so it can be turned over to private enterprises
+ Trump has been a consistent donor to Democrat Party candidates (including the Clintons)

.... and that's just the short list.

What kind of "conservative" record (or even "Republican") is that ? What happened? did Donald get a brain transplant right before deciding to run for the GOP nomination or is it just possible that he never had any conservative principles to begin with and is just telling the GOP "base" what they want to hear to advance his own agenda?

"Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! This is what He does!" --- Malcolm X

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Can you be more specific? Where specifically is Hillary to the right? And how are you defining the right? Which promise has Trump broken? You made a lot of sweeping allegations and assumed we would all simply accept them as fact.

Go look at the records for yourself weasel, Hillary has been consistently hawkish on foreign policy and national defense since the beginning of her time in the Senate (even going so far as to suggest that War with Iran wasn't off the table at one point), her positions on those two issues have generally aligned quite closely with the war hawk wing of the GOP (Bush, McCain, Graham, et al), she was an advocate as PAY-GO (she voted in favor of it) and her proposals for new spending are rather modest when compared to Trump's ideas (of course she wants to raise taxes to do it).

Trump on the other hand is all over the map with respect to national defense and foreign policy and has no consistent record on his positions on government spending (if you go back through what he has said from just 2000 forward), and he's already back tracking on his positions from the GOP primary campaign (minimum wage, taxes & spending just to name the ones that I've noticed) and what about all his bullshit about self funding his campaign so that he can't be bought? Well in case you haven't heard, that one's out the window for the General Election, Trump is accepting campaign donations for the General, so apparently he CAN BE BOUGHT after all.

Don't get me wrong, I LOATHE Hillary Clinton and would rather drink hemlock than cast a vote for her but I don't see that Donald Trump is any better and in fact I suspect that if he is elected President it will do an ENORMOUS amount of damage to the conservative movement and limited (small) government advocacy.

I don't recall Trump saying war was off the table anywhere. How does that put Hillary to the right of him? Presidents don't set minimum wage but where is he to the right of Hillary on it? Trump isn't the only GOP candidate in November, there are many state races but how would accepting donations be buying him? And how does that put him to the right of Hillary? You make sweeping generalizations and blame others for not sharing your opinions.

 

[Iceweasel]

+ Trump supported President Obama's 2009 stimulus plan

He supported TARP, but then again so did most economists. It shouldn't have gotten there but it did and no bailout would have sent us spiraling into the abyss. It was payed back with interest too.

 

[Boss]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Wow! All I can say to that is that your distaste for Trump has, unbalanced you.

Unbalanced me? because I can recognize him for what he really is?

If you consider all the pom-pom waiving, slogan shouting, sign toting lemmings that debase themselves for these asshole politicians like they're the second coming of Christ "balanced", then yeah chalk me up under the "unbalanced" column. At least I can take comfort in the fact that I haven't abandoned my principles for the sake of joining the pathetic herd of drones that worship these crooks and won't have any problems with mirrors or looking my Children in the eyes after this disaster in the making comes to fruition.

No because you think Hillary is anywhere near the right on anything.

Er... she's to the right of Trump on several major issues that conservatives claim to care about (particularly foreign policy and national defense) , I'm not claiming she's a conservative just more so on several fronts than Trump is, which shouldn't surprise anybody since he's clearly a populist with little (if any) adherence to traditional conservative principles.

Some examples of "Trump the Conservative"

+ Trump supported President Obama's 2009 stimulus plan
+ Trump supported President Obama's Auto Company bailouts
+ Trump supported the Bank Bailouts going so far as to say the government "can take over companies, and, frankly, take big chunks of companies."
+ Trump has advocated single-payer style Universal Health Care (in his book "The America We Deserve")
+ Trump has justified the use of eminent domain to take citizens property by force so it can be turned over to private enterprises
+ Trump has been a consistent donor to Democrat Party candidates (including the Clintons)

.... and that's just the short list.

What kind of "conservative" record (or even "Republican") is that ? What happened? did Donald get a brain transplant right before deciding to run for the GOP nomination or is it just possible that he never had any conservative principles to begin with and is just telling the GOP "base" what they want to hear to advance his own agenda?

"Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! This is what He does!" --- Malcolm X

You are absolutely right and keep in mind... Hillary's husband made his legacy (besides Monica and Impeachment) on the very Conservative issues of Welfare Reform and balancing the budget. He dubbed it "Triangulation" and was a very successful "centrist" president.

I can certainly see Hillary Clinton, the shrewd politician she is, actually running to the right of Trump and winning Conservative votes... I know that may sound insane... but I think it could happen. All she has to do is sound more conservative than Trump, and these days, that's not going to be hard to do. Bernie couldn't pull it off, but I think Hillary could.

 

[Iceweasel]

You are absolutely right and keep in mind... Hillary's husband made his legacy (besides Monica and Impeachment) on the very Conservative issues of Welfare Reform and balancing the budget. He dubbed it "Triangulation" and was a very successful "centrist" president.

Yes, let's keep that in mind and completely ignore the Republican revolution in '94 led by Newt Gingrich, who is supporting Trump, btw. They held Billies feet to the fire on welfare reform and he still rejected it two times before caving in.

I can certainly see Hillary Clinton, the shrewd politician she is, actually running to the right of Trump and winning Conservative votes... I know that may sound insane... but I think it could happen. All she has to do is sound more conservative than Trump, and these days, that's not going to be hard to do. Bernie couldn't pull it off, but I think Hillary could.

The only conservative votes Hillary will get are the Cruz supporters that can't stand the fact they didn't get their way and ruining the country would be a small price to pay for their petty revenge.

 

[NightFox]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Can you be more specific? Where specifically is Hillary to the right? And how are you defining the right? Which promise has Trump broken? You made a lot of sweeping allegations and assumed we would all simply accept them as fact.

Go look at the records for yourself weasel, Hillary has been consistently hawkish on foreign policy and national defense since the beginning of her time in the Senate (even going so far as to suggest that War with Iran wasn't off the table at one point), her positions on those two issues have generally aligned quite closely with the war hawk wing of the GOP (Bush, McCain, Graham, et al), she was an advocate as PAY-GO (she voted in favor of it) and her proposals for new spending are rather modest when compared to Trump's ideas (of course she wants to raise taxes to do it).

Trump on the other hand is all over the map with respect to national defense and foreign policy and has no consistent record on his positions on government spending (if you go back through what he has said from just 2000 forward), and he's already back tracking on his positions from the GOP primary campaign (minimum wage, taxes & spending just to name the ones that I've noticed) and what about all his bullshit about self funding his campaign so that he can't be bought? Well in case you haven't heard, that one's out the window for the General Election, Trump is accepting campaign donations for the General, so apparently he CAN BE BOUGHT after all.

Don't get me wrong, I LOATHE Hillary Clinton and would rather drink hemlock than cast a vote for her but I don't see that Donald Trump is any better and in fact I suspect that if he is elected President it will do an ENORMOUS amount of damage to the conservative movement and limited (small) government advocacy.

I don't recall Trump saying war was off the table anywhere.

Do you recall any positions he's taken that align with the conservative hawks that I pointed to BEFORE he started his run for the GOP nomination? Go ahead and do some digging on your own and see if you can find any... pay particular attention to his claims regarding the "war on terror" and what he was saying about it during the Bush Administration.

Presidents don't set minimum wage but where is he to the right of Hillary on it?

I never claimed he was to the right on Hillary on the minimum wage only that he has changed his position on it since the beginning of his run for the GOP nod.

Trump isn't the only GOP candidate in November, there are many state races but how would accepting donations be buying him?

He claimed over and over again that he wasn't going to accept donations AT ALL, that he was self funding and therefor "couldn't be bought", what don't you understand about how those statements are completely contradicted by his now accepting donations? So doesn't it stand to reason that now that he IS accepting donations that he can be "bought" or was the self funding claim all nonsense to begin with?

And how does that put him to the right of Hillary?

Never claimed or implied that it did, I was VERY specific on the issues that I thought Hillary was "to the right" of Trump on based on the history of their statements and positions.

You make sweeping generalizations and blame others for not sharing your opinions.

And what specifics have you offered up? Hint: NOT ONE. I'm only pointing out what I think is likely to happen (if Trump gets elected to POTUS) based on Trump's COMPLETE history in the public eye, not just the complete about-face he's taken during the GOP nomination campaign.

 

[NightFox]

+ Trump supported President Obama's 2009 stimulus plan

He supported TARP, but then again so did most economists. It shouldn't have gotten there but it did and no bailout would have sent us spiraling into the abyss. It was payed back with interest too.

"most economists"???? what ******* "most economists" is that? Paul Krugman and his flock of hyper-Keynesian apparatchiks? is that the "most economists" you're referring to? I don't know of any Austrians that supported it nor am I aware of any from the Friedman Chicago gang that advocated it , so please supply your empirical evidence that "most economists supported it" and while you're at it explain how government bailouts have suddenly become something that align with small government conservative principles 'cause I seem to recall it being a major sticking point with the Tea Party Movement.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

His SCOTUS list sold me.

Skeptics may say that he is just saying whatever he needs to to get elected, and I would have a difficult time arguing that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

The SCOTUS is the important issue this election.....that and keeping the criminal Hillary out of the White House.

Consistent with the contempt most on the right have for the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law.

 

[Boss]

You are absolutely right and keep in mind... Hillary's husband made his legacy (besides Monica and Impeachment) on the very Conservative issues of Welfare Reform and balancing the budget. He dubbed it "Triangulation" and was a very successful "centrist" president.

Yes, let's keep that in mind and completely ignore the Republican revolution in '94 led by Newt Gingrich, who is supporting Trump, btw. They held Billies feet to the fire on welfare reform and he still rejected it two times before caving in.

I can certainly see Hillary Clinton, the shrewd politician she is, actually running to the right of Trump and winning Conservative votes... I know that may sound insane... but I think it could happen. All she has to do is sound more conservative than Trump, and these days, that's not going to be hard to do. Bernie couldn't pull it off, but I think Hillary could.

The only conservative votes Hillary will get are the Cruz supporters that can't stand the fact they didn't get their way and ruining the country would be a small price to pay for their petty revenge.

And I've already predicted that whenever Trump gets his clock cleaned and loses this election, the Cruz supporters will take it in the shorts for that too.... you're already setting that up!

No, if Hillary wins the votes of Conservatives over Trump that's TRUMP'S fault.... not the Conservatives. If he and his supporters want to act like jerks and jackasses and continue treating Conservatives like they're in a dungeon and you're in your leathers with the whips and chains... **** you! It is YOUR fault you LOSE this election! That's 100% on YOU buddy!

There are PLENTY of us Cruz supporters who are willing to give Trump the chance to win us over.... but you and he CONTINUE to smear and jeer Conservatives with impunity and try to intimidate and bully us into supporting Trump because he's not Hillary. I am here TELLING you that is a losing strategy and if you don't want to listen, you're going to learn.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah because the alternative; Hillary, is too horrible to even consider.

Hmmm.. that's interesting because looking objectively at Hillary's record of statements and the positions that she has taken throughout her time in the public spotlight versus Trumps past statements and positions that he has taken throughout his time in the public spotlight, it would appear that Hillary is to the right of Trump on many issues.

Not that I would recommend anybody vote for either of these two miscreants, just that Hillary's past indicates she's more inline with conservatives on issues like foreign policy, national defense and even (as counter-intuitive as it sounds) government spending. Hillary is a liar, cheat and thief but she has been more consistent over the long term than Trump has on the positions she's taken.

At the end of the day it's pretty clear that Trump is nothing but a populist demagogue that will say whatever his target audience wants to hear and doesn't operate on any sort of philosophical principles and aren't conservatives all about principles? What are conservatives going to do if/when Trump gets elected and then proceeds to break each and every "promise" he made during the run up to the election? He's already started back tracking on the positions he took during the GOP primary elections and since he hasn't demonstrated any adherence to principle why would any conservative trust him on ANYTHING he promises?

Can you be more specific? Where specifically is Hillary to the right? And how are you defining the right? Which promise has Trump broken? You made a lot of sweeping allegations and assumed we would all simply accept them as fact.

Go look at the records for yourself weasel, Hillary has been consistently hawkish on foreign policy and national defense since the beginning of her time in the Senate (even going so far as to suggest that War with Iran wasn't off the table at one point), her positions on those two issues have generally aligned quite closely with the war hawk wing of the GOP (Bush, McCain, Graham, et al), she was an advocate as PAY-GO (she voted in favor of it) and her proposals for new spending are rather modest when compared to Trump's ideas (of course she wants to raise taxes to do it).

Trump on the other hand is all over the map with respect to national defense and foreign policy and has no consistent record on his positions on government spending (if you go back through what he has said from just 2000 forward), and he's already back tracking on his positions from the GOP primary campaign (minimum wage, taxes & spending just to name the ones that I've noticed) and what about all his bullshit about self funding his campaign so that he can't be bought? Well in case you haven't heard, that one's out the window for the General Election, Trump is accepting campaign donations for the General, so apparently he CAN BE BOUGHT after all.

Don't get me wrong, I LOATHE Hillary Clinton and would rather drink hemlock than cast a vote for her but I don't see that Donald Trump is any better and in fact I suspect that if he is elected President it will do an ENORMOUS amount of damage to the conservative movement and limited (small) government advocacy.

I don't recall Trump saying war was off the table anywhere.

Do you recall any positions he's taken that align with the conservative hawks that I pointed to BEFORE he started his run for the GOP nomination? Go ahead and do some digging on your own and see if you can find any... pay particular attention to his claims regarding the "war on terror" and what he was saying about it during the Bush Administration.

Presidents don't set minimum wage but where is he to the right of Hillary on it?

I never claimed he was to the right on Hillary on the minimum wage only that he has changed his position on it since the beginning of his run for the GOP nod.

Trump isn't the only GOP candidate in November, there are many state races but how would accepting donations be buying him?

He claimed over and over again that he wasn't going to accept donations AT ALL, that he was self funding and therefor "couldn't be bought", what don't you understand about how those statements are completely contradicted by his now accepting donations? So doesn't it stand to reason that now that he IS accepting donations that he can be "bought" or was the self funding claim all nonsense to begin with?

And how does that put him to the right of Hillary?

Never claimed or implied that it did, I was VERY specific on the issues that I thought Hillary was "to the right" of Trump on based on the history of their statements and positions.

You make sweeping generalizations and blame others for not sharing your opinions.

And what specifics have you offered up? Hint: NOT ONE. I'm only pointing out what I think is likely to happen (if Trump gets elected to POTUS) based on Trump's COMPLETE history in the public eye, not just the complete about-face he's taken during the GOP nomination campaign.

I'm not making your argument for you, if you can't back up your shit don't pin it on me. You used the term conservative hawk, who said he was? You made the claim Hillary was to his right and not all conservative supported Iraq, for example. Hillary has changed her mind on it too and called it a mistake so how does that make her more conservative?

The specifics I offered up was to ask you to support your assertions. You can't.

 

[SwimExpert]

His SCOTUS list sold me.

Skeptics may say that he is just saying whatever he needs to to get elected, and I would have a difficult time arguing that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

The SCOTUS is the important issue this election.....that and keeping the criminal Hillary out of the White House.

I do think it's populist fodder. But I also think that, hypothetically speaking, he'd probably follow through on this. That is, the first time around.

I don't think Trump gives a shit about the Supreme Court, and he won't give a shit, until he ends up personally butthurt. For now, he'll defer to whatever other people are telling him will placate the masses. The first time the SCOTUS slaps a hypothetical President Trump's wrist, Trump would end up going apeshit and retaliate with subsequent picks. The next four years are likely to see at least two court picks, possibly a third. And that's assuming that Trump doesn't go crazy and try to pack the court FDR style.

 

[Iceweasel]

+ Trump supported President Obama's 2009 stimulus plan

He supported TARP, but then again so did most economists. It shouldn't have gotten there but it did and no bailout would have sent us spiraling into the abyss. It was payed back with interest too.

"most economists"???? what ******* "most economists" is that? Paul Krugman and his flock of hyper-Keynesian apparatchiks? is that the "most economists" you're referring to? I don't know of any Austrians that supported it nor am I aware of any from the Friedman Chicago gang that advocated it , so please supply your empirical evidence that "most economists supported it" and while you're at it explain how government bailouts have suddenly become something that align with small government conservative principles 'cause I seem to recall it being a major sticking point with the Tea Party Movement.

You don't back up a ******* word and then turn around and demand empirical evidence? What's wrong with you? I remember the issue very well, it was a hot political one and I recall almost everyone saying it needed to be done to prevent an even worse collapse of the economy, which was on life support as it was.

You are welcome to believe anything you want but you made the case it put Trump to the left of Hillary. Did you forget your point?

 

[Iceweasel]

His SCOTUS list sold me.

Skeptics may say that he is just saying whatever he needs to to get elected, and I would have a difficult time arguing that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

The SCOTUS is the important issue this election.....that and keeping the criminal Hillary out of the White House.

I do think it's populist fodder. But I also think that, hypothetically speaking, he'd probably follow through on this. That is, the first time around.

I don't think Trump gives a shit about the Supreme Court, and he won't give a shit, until he ends up personally butthurt. For now, he'll defer to whatever other people are telling him will placate the masses. The first time the SCOTUS slaps a hypothetical President Trump's wrist, Trump would end up going apeshit and retaliate with subsequent picks. The next four years are likely to see at least two court picks, possibly a third. And that's assuming that Trump doesn't go crazy and try to pack the court FDR style.

...yawn. You guys are a broken record. You know Trump that well huh? What did you do, ride one of his elevators one day?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

“If I’m lying… hey! I didn’t finish!”

 

[Iceweasel]

You are absolutely right and keep in mind... Hillary's husband made his legacy (besides Monica and Impeachment) on the very Conservative issues of Welfare Reform and balancing the budget. He dubbed it "Triangulation" and was a very successful "centrist" president.

Yes, let's keep that in mind and completely ignore the Republican revolution in '94 led by Newt Gingrich, who is supporting Trump, btw. They held Billies feet to the fire on welfare reform and he still rejected it two times before caving in.

I can certainly see Hillary Clinton, the shrewd politician she is, actually running to the right of Trump and winning Conservative votes... I know that may sound insane... but I think it could happen. All she has to do is sound more conservative than Trump, and these days, that's not going to be hard to do. Bernie couldn't pull it off, but I think Hillary could.

The only conservative votes Hillary will get are the Cruz supporters that can't stand the fact they didn't get their way and ruining the country would be a small price to pay for their petty revenge.

And I've already predicted that whenever Trump gets his clock cleaned and loses this election, the Cruz supporters will take it in the shorts for that too.... you're already setting that up!

No, if Hillary wins the votes of Conservatives over Trump that's TRUMP'S fault.... not the Conservatives. If he and his supporters want to act like jerks and jackasses and continue treating Conservatives like they're in a dungeon and you're in your leathers with the whips and chains... **** you! It is YOUR fault you LOSE this election! That's 100% on YOU buddy!

There are PLENTY of us Cruz supporters who are willing to give Trump the chance to win us over.... but you and he CONTINUE to smear and jeer Conservatives with impunity and try to intimidate and bully us into supporting Trump because he's not Hillary. I am here TELLING you that is a losing strategy and if you don't want to listen, you're going to learn.

I haven't set up anything, you're responsible for you own beliefs, not me. No conservative is going to vote for Hillary unless they have an ax to grind.