OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[Ame®icano]

You're mistakenly under the impression that I would object to that. There's no reason for money to be laundered through federal bureaucracies just to send a portion of it back to the States. Unconstitutional welfare bullshit account for 70% of federal spending and a 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, that's not sustainable.

So you think Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid are unconstitutional? Why do you think that?

Why do you think it is?

Because they are unconstitutional. See post 919.
.

I know what you mean.

I'm asking him why he think they're constitutional.

 

[OKTexas]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

Sue away, you'll lose. Congress giveth deductions, they can take them away.


.

 

[Ame®icano]

Every other country has a progressive tax system, here we don't anymore. Federal income taxes are much smaller now and the only Progressive one.

Why should I care how other countries are taxing their people?

Every other country is turning into socialist, leaning communist state. Americans don't need that.

You do know that in spite of our economic surge there are quite a few countries ahead of us Japan for one

In what way Japan is ahead of us?

China is the new Japan,” he added, saying that Japan should consider both liberalising its trade in the automotive industry and positioning themselves in global value chains, a measure the country has already put in motion.

As for Trump’s observation that the Japanese economy is not as good as the American one, Ottaviano said: “Generally speaking it is a fair statement when we consider the economy as a whole.”

However, he also qualified that it is important to consider what an economy can for its citizens and that there are issues in the US, such as inequality, that are not present in Japan – a recent survey of global wealth by Credit Suisse cited Japan as the MOST equal major economy in the world in terms of wealth distribution.

“Comparing countries on indicators is good for benchmarking, but which indicators we should use is really open to debate,” he concluded, “and the more indicators we use, the more difficult it is to rank them.”

Actually, I agree wit that, with few points.

Japan is hegemonic country, their people mindset is different than ours, they're nationalists (and I don't mean in bad way), they don't have immigration problem, they don't have refugees, they are committed to their country, almost no freeloaders... unlike us.

 

[eddiew37]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

He's not really screwing the blue states.

He's leveling the playing field among all the states by making all states paying their fair share to the federal government.

I just don't understand why you lefties suddenly hate fairness.

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

 

[eddiew37]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

You can't sue for a President and Congress's tax adjustments.

The Gov of NY says differently

 

[eddiew37]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

You can't sue for a President and Congress's tax adjustments.

The Gov of NY says differently

think he mentioned DOUBLE taxation

 

[Uncensored2008]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

 

[eddiew37]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

 

[Moonglow]

Have you read the entire bill?

I will, just as soon as you finish reading the ACA (fascist care)

I have no reason to read the ACA...it never affected me...This one doesn't either...

 

[Uncensored2008]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

Yeah, well good luck with that.

Moonbeam is in stage 3 Alzheimer's.

 

[eddiew37]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

Yeah, well good luck with that.

Moonbeam is in stage 3 Alzheimer's.

Like Trump?

 

[Uncensored2008]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

Yeah, well good luck with that.

Moonbeam is in stage 3 Alzheimer's.

Like Trump?

Your hatred makes you even more stupid than you would normally be. And let's face it, you were dumb as a brick to begin with.

 

[eddiew37]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

Yeah, well good luck with that.

Moonbeam is in stage 3 Alzheimer's.

Like Trump?

Your hatred makes you even more stupid than you would normally be. And let's face it, you were dumb as a brick to begin with.

Not as dumb as you patriot LOL

 

[eddiew37]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

Yeah, well good luck with that.

Moonbeam is in stage 3 Alzheimer's.

Like Trump?

Your hatred makes you even more stupid than you would normally be. And let's face it, you were dumb as a brick to begin with.

And after all what's so bad about hating the pos in our WH ? And you shouldn't throw rocks when you live in a glass house

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

So once again, the liberals are trying to run the Presidency they didn't win through their liberal courts. It will slow things down, plug up the systems, and finally end up at the Supreme Court where they will tell Cuomo and others to go pound a salt bag.

Next time a Democrat President gets in, I hope the Republicans are there to take everything he or she does to court and do the same. This is getting ridiculous already, but I also understand Democrats hate our election system, system of government, and our country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ?

How? Trump isn't taxing the blue states. He isn't reducing the taxes collected by the blue states.

NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back

The state of NY sends a check to the Federal government? That's funny, I thought the checks
flowed from the Federal government to the NY state government.

We subsidize the gd red states

That's horrible. You should push for cuts in federal spending.
Stick it to those red states!!!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government **** the little guy at every turn...

Or, you have to be screwing the govt over, in order to be making an absolute killing out of it.

We still won't know how much the rich are playing in taxes before or after, the catch must be they were paying little before, and they'll be paying ******* nothing after. In fact the govt will pay them to be rich.

We know the top 1% pay 63% of all taxes. We know the top 5% pay 91%. We know the top 10% pay 99%

Yet you claim they don't pay their fair share.

What would be fair?

How can a republican talk about fair when the lying vile louse in our WH is screwing blue states with his BS tax cut ? NY for example pays THE MOST to our fed and gets little back We subsidize the gd red states and now the idiot screws us??? There will be law suits

Sue away, you'll lose. Congress giveth deductions, they can take them away.


.

The people who cry the most about needing higher taxes are the ones who cry the most when it's they who are paying them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

So once again, the liberals are trying to run the Presidency they didn't win through their liberal courts. It will slow things down, plug up the systems, and finally end up at the Supreme Court where they will tell Cuomo and others to go pound a salt bag.

Next time a Democrat President gets in, I hope the Republicans are there to take everything he or she does to court and do the same. This is getting ridiculous already, but I also understand Democrats hate our election system, system of government, and our country.

Not a chance.

If those suits were ever filed, which they won't be, they would be laughed out of court. Taxation is an explicit power of congress. The moron Maoists have no standing. Even our deep state federal courts will not entertain a mere temper tantrum.

Such an act is beyond frivolous and is patently absurd. No court will allow it.

 

[eddiew37]

NY gives to the fed far more than they receive ,the most of all How about leveling that GREAT disparity? and Cal NJ PA aren't far behind

Really?

Dayum, it's almost as if Wall Street is in New York.

Yer a dumb one eddie. It is astounding that you have enough brain power to breathe...

Breathe this moron
Governors of three high-tax states said Monday they’re considering suing to stop the GOP-backed tax overhaul that limits deductions for state and local taxes.

”We are looking at the legality now. This is double taxation. They are taxing the taxes,” said Gov. Cuomo during a conference call with California Gov. Jerry Brown and New Jersey Gov.-elect Phil Murphy.

”This is from the party that is against taxation. This takes from the richest states and has them subsidize a tax cut for the less wealthy states. It may well be illegal and unconstitutional.”
Brown said the tax plan, which Republican lawmakers insist will spur the economy, will not only negatively affect high-tax states but the country as a whole.

”They’re hurting California, Massachusetts and New York but they’re also hurting the United States. They’re attacking the vital sinews of the American economy. It’s really stupid,” he said. “The right thing for America is to defeat this bill.”

The Senate and the House have passed their tax plans – and both eliminate state and local income tax deductions and limit property tax deductions to $10,000.

The two chambers now have to reconcile their versions, and President Trump said he wants a bill ready to sign by the end of the year.

Murphy said there’s still time to stop it.
”We’re in the ninth inning,” he said.

So once again, the liberals are trying to run the Presidency they didn't win through their liberal courts. It will slow things down, plug up the systems, and finally end up at the Supreme Court where they will tell Cuomo and others to go pound a salt bag.

Next time a Democrat President gets in, I hope the Republicans are there to take everything he or she does to court and do the same. This is getting ridiculous already, but I also understand Democrats hate our election system, system of government, and our country.

Stop the BS Ray Dems learned from your republicans that have ALWAYS done their best to stop anything Dems wanted

 

[francoHFW]

Yep don't worry about facts and the GOP giving the store away to the rich while screwing everyone else, it's just that everyone decided to get lazy all of a sudden. Really silly stuff, dupe.

So all you got is more of your generalized poop, I've had rich folks give me a job, I've never had one steal form me. And no, everyone didn't get lazy, you commiecrats pushed regulations and noncompetitive taxes that forced our manufacturing base off shore, you own that.


.

No it's just normal that menial jobs are going where the pay is cheapest, and the GOP refuses to invest in training our people 4 between 3 and 6 million tech jobs that are going begging... Must save the rich from paying taxes.

Why should the wealthy pay for other adults education?

I know we've been through this over and over again, but you're as thick as they come for a leftist, so let me ask you this:

What is wrong with people paying for their own education to secure a trade? What's stopping them? And don't say money, because our government gives educational loans all the time.

In fall of 1980, I rented my first apartment. At the time, I was fascinated with birds, so I hung a bird feeder on my upstairs back porch.

Spring broke and summer not far behind, I finally met my elderly neighbor. After some small talk, he said "Ray, what you're doing for the birds is a nice thing, but you may be doing them more harm than good. You see, feeding the birds is a good thing in winter because there is no food for them. But if you leave that feeder up year long, the birds will get so dependent on that thing they will forget how to obtain food for themselves. If you move or otherwise become disinterested in feeding them any longer, those birds will die of hunger."

I always remembered those wise words; not because of the birds, but later in life I realized that's what our government does to it's people.

So when you talk about how the GOP doesn't want to pay for adult education, I can hear that old man talking like he was sitting right next to me.

They used to pay for other people's education when America was great in the 40s 50s 60s and 70s... Funny how we're now a wreck of what we used to be and it's getting worse...

Who used to pay?

Can you back that up?

The top rate for the richest was 70 80 90% before Reagan. Reagan brought it down to 50% and gave us the kiss of death of 28% just before he left. They used to use that money to invest in America and Americans. Now we've been falling apart for 35 years, ignorant dupe.