Oh look, more anti-free speech from Vance.

[HikerGuy83]

The point is that VANCE who went off on one about the UK and other countries that they shouldn't make people accountable for their actions, and that the US would do this or that should they not have the free speech that the US demands they have.

And yet, here we are with Vance trying to be more like the UK.

Vance is not advocating anything like what the U.K. does.

That would be your side.

 

[Hellokitty]

So, if he came out and said something like "go out and kill black people", he's not forcing anyone to do anything, so no problem?

What is wrong with you? How are you comparing suggesting "call their employer", to "go kill someone"?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No. But he should be ostracized and forced to resign.

He's free to say it but not free to sully his office with such statements.

Yeah, he's able to say it.

He's able to say a lot of things. He's not protected by the 1st Amendment. He's protected by the powers of the presidency. What can stop him? 1) Congress and impeachment 2) the voters.

 

[frigidweirdo]

why are you all against this? This is YOUR policy.

I'm quite sure I haven't been giving my opinion on whether this should be law or not.

I'm quite sure I'm attacking Vance for being a total hypocrite.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yeah, he's able to say it.

He's able to say a lot of things. He's not protected by the 1st Amendment. He's protected by the powers of the presidency. What can stop him? 1) Congress and impeachment 2) the voters.

Let him say it, and let the people decide whether to punish him or not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

WTF!!! Do you not see such a comment is celebrating/justifying the assassination of someone over words?

What comment are you talking about?

 

[frigidweirdo]

What is wrong with you? How are you comparing suggesting "call their employer", to "go kill someone"?

Shall I tell you why?

Because a President, or Vice President, shouldn't be able to say whatever they want to say. They should have limits and they should be able to control those limits. Supposedly these are the best people we could find to run the country, rather than a bunch of eejits who say whatever the first thing that comes into their heads.

So, I'm making an example. Should a President be able to say "go kill someone"? No. They should not.

So where's the limit? Should a President or VP be going around telling employers to fire people for insulting a guy they liked? No, they should not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Let him say it, and let the people decide whether to punish him or not.

The problem here is that with Proportional Representation, people would be able to punish him.

With the current system, it's almost impossible.

What can they do?

They can vote against the Republican next year in November (when they'll have forgotten about this). But that doesn't kick Vance out of office.

Then in 3 years time they can maybe vote against Vance in primaries, or in the Presidential election which is so negative they'll probably not be voting for any of the stupid stuff he's said anyway.

So, with the FPTP system, the voters have almost no control over this. Hence why Trump and Vance get away with it all the time.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Charlie Kirk death: Report those who celebrate the shooting to employers, Vance says

The vice-president's remarks come amid a wave of firings over posts deemed inappropriate about Kirk's death.

www.bbc.com

"Report those who celebrate Charlie Kirk death to employers, Vance says"

Yep, Vance wants to stop people saying negative things about Charlie Kirk.

""Call them out, and hell, call their employer," Vance said as he guest-hosted an episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.""

Apparently they believe in "civility" which is news to me.

This from a guy who called out the UK on freedom of speech.

JD Vance calls out UK’s ‘modern dystopia’ amid ‘sad decline’ in freedom of speech

Essentially the right want to control speech if they don't like it, and make it free if they do. Kind of fascist to me.

Vance took it a little personally
Charlie was his bro

 

[TemplarKormac]

The problem here is that with Proportional Representation, people would be able to punish him.

With the current system, it's almost impossible.

What can they do?

They can vote against the Republican next year in November (when they'll have forgotten about this). But that doesn't kick Vance out of office.

Then in 3 years time they can maybe vote against Vance in primaries, or in the Presidential election which is so negative they'll probably not be voting for any of the stupid stuff he's said anyway.

So, with the FPTP system, the voters have almost no control over this. Hence why Trump and Vance get away with it all the time.

Hey, I have an idea, if you want, go make a thread about Proportional Representation. I find this discussion intriguing. I just don't want to derail this thread with a discussion about it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hey, I have an idea, if you want, go make a thread about Proportional Representation. I find this discussion intriguing. I just don't want to derail this thread with a discussion about it.

And yet this is about this topic. I'm not making it about PR. But PR is the solution to so many of the problems. In this case of politicians shouting the mouths off to gain attention, and being hypocritical as anything, PR is a better solution.

If I can't talk about any solution in any topic because "it's off topic" then this forum becomes pointless.

If you want to know what PR is, go look at a thread about PR. If you want solutions to this topic, hey, it's PR. Doesn't need to be in a different thread.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Yeah, the left do some pretty hypocritical things as well.

Orange Man Bad having classified GOV property was worse than when Sleepy Joe did it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And yet this is about this topic. I'm not making it about PR. But PR is the solution to so many of the problems. In this case of politicians shouting the mouths off to gain attention, and being hypocritical as anything, PR is a better solution.

If I can't talk about any solution in any topic because "it's off topic" then this forum becomes pointless.

If you want to know what PR is, go look at a thread about PR. If you want solutions to this topic, hey, it's PR. Doesn't need to be in a different thread.

Eh, just trying to help. I'm not ordering you to do anything.

But I'll say this, with PR, that means liberal states would lose seats in the House and Senate. Vote totals would fluctuate, sometimes wildly. Are you sure you want something like that? The establishment left certainly wouldn't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Eh, just trying to help. I'm not ordering you to do anything.

But I'll say this, with PR, that means liberal states would lose seats in the House and Senate. Vote totals would fluctuate, sometimes wildly. Are you sure you want something like that? The establishment left certainly wouldn't.

Well, I'm not establishment, so....

Also the left would probably gain. Though that isn't why I support PR.

The Republican benefit MASSIVELY from the current system.

The last time a Republican become President for the first time with more votes than their opponent was in the 1980s. The Republicans haven't had a majority of the votes in the previous three Senate races for 20 something years.

However it would give more parties. Both the Reps and Dems would lose a lot of support (or votes, depends on how you view it), and smaller parties would gain.

The people would have more oversight of politics. Politicians would have to worry more and MONEY would not be able to buy success as easily.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

terrorist propaganda should be under the microscope of the feds ..

Yes it should, but the RWNJ congress have the spines of jellyfish

They are hypocritical, communist.

Trump says 'we have to beat the hell' out of 'radical left ...​

Politico
https://www.politico.com › news › 2025/09/11 › trump...
4 days ago — President Donald Trump on Thursday told reporters that “we just have to beat the hell” out of “radical left lunatics,” following the killing of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.


“We have a radical left group of lunatics out there. Just absolute lunatics,” the president said Thursday. “And we’re going to get that problem solved.”

 

[Mac1958]

MAGA has taken ownership of Cancel Culture away from the Left.

This is incredible. This country has lost its ******* mind.

 

[Mac-7]

frigidweirdo
As a Brit you should worry about your own problems and stay the hell out of ours

 

[cnm]

Four years ago you were all the biggest cancel culture cheerleaders you could be. He didn’t say report anyone for disagreeing, he said to report the lunatics celebrating.

Once again your own ideas are being used against you and you’re crying about it. We warned you.

You hilarious cry baby, celebration is free speech.

I suppose that's why the government wants to abridge the speech freedom of the press and the people without going through Congress.

 

[toobfreak]

Yep, Vance wants to stop people saying negative things about Charlie Kirk.

That's pretty good, Weirdo, but you made a mistake! You put this in the Politics section when it really belongs in Humor!

I mean, NOW you are upset people are expecting civility enough from society not to actually take pleasure celebrating joyously in someone's death, no, violent execution---

When just a year ago, you were perfectly fine with the Biden Administration shadow-banning people from social media for everything from saying anything bad about the vaccine to letting Trump even talk.

And all the while, your Bidenistas were clamping down on free speech all over the place, even Biden's White House phoning into Facebook and other social media or even news papers and raising hell with them just for running a true story on Joe that was less than flattering.

 

[cnm]

Oh the feels !!!