Oh look, more anti-free speech from Vance.

[HikerGuy83]

And yet Vance attacked the UK for prosecuting people for that.

He's not talking about prosecuting anyone.
Maybe you should extract your head from your colon and get a grip.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The problem with people like this is they're only interested in their own things.

The left was using this several years ago to slash at anyone who disagreed with them.

So STFU.

I didn't agree with it then. I don't like it now.

But this isn't "controlling" anything.

You are free to say what you want. I can't stop you.

But I can complain to your employer and what they do is up to them.

That's part of free speech and always has been.

 

[HikerGuy83]

They talk up freedom, but then want to ban gay marriage.

Oh here we go.......

And they want to......

And they want to.....

And they want to........

 

[HikerGuy83]

The problem is that the right's version of "freedom of speech" when it comes to being racist, sexist etc, means no accoutability.

So what? That's freedom speech. What is your problem with that?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Now it just seems like they're going for full out control of the country, control to do as they want. They claim to like "civility" but there's nothing "civil" about what they're doing.

There is nothing unconstitutional about what he is suggesting either. Take it up with his boss. Maybe he'll be fired.

Or elected president.

 

[HikerGuy83]

This is what he says he "believes", now all of a sudden he "believes" the exact opposite.

Not the same thing. Did he call for shutting down media....or just reporting people ?

 

[HikerGuy83]

I'm attacking a man who has gone around criticizing other countries for lack of freedom of speech, then actively gone out there to get people fired for this.

Do you see the difference?

Yep....

Vance rightly got after the U.K. for using laws to put people in jail for speech.
That is what he did.

Here....did he do that NO NO NO NO NO NO

He said, get the names and statements to the employers. Let the employer deal with it. But if you want to push hate speech, you have to know it might get to your source of income. That's not our problem. It's yours.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well, Vance is calling for accountability.

Is there no accountability for the VP of the US saying something hypocritical?

Nothing hypocritial in what he said.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Is it?

When you incite violence, what is used?

Speech.

When you impel others to act, what method is used?

Speech.

If a person acts on the speech, and that act is illegal, we punish both of them.

Furthermore, it is the employer's prerogative to act on reports of employees celebrating Kirk's death, just as it is mine to act on reports of posts here on this forum.

JD Vance can't compel them to fire anyone.

Your last statement is what is important. There is no enforcement.

If someone celebrates the death of someone else. That person is likely a slimewad.

But they have that right.

Their employer has the right to fire them.

We don't control that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your last statement is what is important. There is no enforcement.

If someone celebrates the death of someone else. That person is likely a slimewad.

But they have that right.

Their employer has the right to fire them.

We don't control that.

Agreed. Vance can say what he wants. He isn't forcing anyone to do anything. Period.

 

[westwall]

The problem with people like this is they're only interested in their own things.

They talk up freedom, but then want to ban gay marriage.

Now it just seems like they're going for full out control of the country, control to do as they want. They claim to like "civility" but there's nothing "civil" about what they're doing.

You fuckers have been doing it for years.

Time for you to enjoy some for awhile.

 

[frigidweirdo]

One is a law and the other is not. If I tell you rattlesnake makes good pet, are you going to get one or your common sense says I am bullshitting? What you’re asking is equivalent to why is water wet.

See this guy? Authorities are threatening to arrest him for doing the very same thing Steve Irvin used to do. The only excuse is Irvin was trained but yet, he was killed by a stingray barb. If this country follows your method, construction firms are gonna be really rich. There won’t be enough prison to jail 3/4 of the population.

Which ranks higher, a law or a constitutional right?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Agreed. Vance can say what he wants. He isn't forcing anyone to do anything. Period.

So, if he came out and said something like "go out and kill black people", he's not forcing anyone to do anything, so no problem?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I was thinking the same thing about you. If people make public posts celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination they should be held accountable. That is NOT anti free speech post whatever you want, but OWN UP TO IT. Celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination is anti-American and anti-human.

I don't have a problem with people being accountable for the posts they write.

That's not the point I'm making here.

The point is that VANCE who went off on one about the UK and other countries that they shouldn't make people accountable for their actions, and that the US would do this or that should they not have the free speech that the US demands they have.

And yet, here we are with Vance trying to be more like the UK.

I doubt that celebrating Kirk's assassination is "anti-American", that implies the US has some semblance of morals, and based on what's happening right now, I'm not sure it does. And "anti-human"? Some people think he was a bad man, and think the less bad people they are, the better. I mean, look at the Noah's Ark story, seems to be that God liked killing people. Seems to be VERY HUMAN to me.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So, if he came out and said something like "go out and kill black people", he's not forcing anyone to do anything, so no problem?

No. But he should be ostracized and forced to resign.

He's free to say it but not free to sully his office with such statements.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Charlie Kirk death: Report those who celebrate the shooting to employers, Vance says

The vice-president's remarks come amid a wave of firings over posts deemed inappropriate about Kirk's death.

www.bbc.com

"Report those who celebrate Charlie Kirk death to employers, Vance says"

Yep, Vance wants to stop people saying negative things about Charlie Kirk.

""Call them out, and hell, call their employer," Vance said as he guest-hosted an episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.""

Apparently they believe in "civility" which is news to me.

This from a guy who called out the UK on freedom of speech.

JD Vance calls out UK’s ‘modern dystopia’ amid ‘sad decline’ in freedom of speech

Essentially the right want to control speech if they don't like it, and make it free if they do. Kind of fascist to me.

why are you all against this? This is YOUR policy.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So, if he came out and said something like "go out and kill black people", he's not forcing anyone to do anything, so no problem?

What kind of stupid false equivalency is that?

That would be a direct violation of federal law to even say such a thing.

Saying complain to their companies is saying exercise YOUR right to complain. Which you have.

No problem at all.

 

[Hellokitty]

Define "celebrating"... oh, it's very easy for them to say "this is celebrating" when it might just be "he got what he deserved because he said that gun deaths are 'worth it'"

WTF!!! Do you not see such a comment is celebrating/justifying the assassination of someone over words?

 

[HikerGuy83]

why are you all against this? This is YOUR policy.

"I will demand their firing, defunding, and license revocation," said Florida congressman Randy Fine in a post on X on Sunday, as he called for such people to "be thrown out of civil society".

This would incorrect and would represent harrassment and persecution.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No. But he should be ostracized and forced to resign.

He's free to say it but not free to sully his office with such statements.

See that's the thing you miss. If you don't fire people like the ones cheering Kirk's assassination, you are appearing to condone that sentiment. That alienates a segment of the people you serve.

That's bad for business. It damages your reputation as a proprietor. It could lead to boycotts of your company.

You are free to speak your mind, but not from the consequences.