Oh, it's TACO time again in the US

[struth]

Obama did not "start a war" with Libya, nor did he start these attacks without the knowledge or consent of your allies. The force included members from NATO, and the Arab League. This wasn't some half baked notion that was done on a whim with no planning or support:

• Preventing a Massacre: Obama stated that intervention was necessary to stop Gaddafi from carrying out mass atrocities against peaceful protesters, particularly in the city of Benghazi.
• International Mandate: The action was backed by UN Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorized "all necessary measures" to protect civilians.
• Regional Stability: Concerns existed that failure to act would lead to a massive refugee crisis and jeopardize democracy movements in nearby Tunisia and Egypt.
• Allied Support: The coalition included key European and Arab partners seeking to halt Gaddafi's brutality.

Additionally, Obama promised the American people that he would be out of Libya in two weeks, and that is exactly what happened. A leading a multi-nation two-week assault to halt civilian deaths, and then handing the whole thing off to NATO.

Trump didn't even tell your allies he was going to bomb Iran, he just did it. While in the middle of negotiations with the Iranians. Then he expected the rest of the world to thank him.

Or maybe he did it to disrupt oil prices worldwide, in order to punish NATO because they won't give him Greenland.

So unilaterally bombing a country and overthrowing their govt and killing their leader isn’t starting a war

I think it’s funny you cited the need for Obama’s actions to stop refugee crisis…when he left office he left the worse refugee crisis since w2

Gotcha

 

[JonKoch]

Last I checked Iraq is a developing, free democracy…and frankly would be further along had Obama not been elected and Iran kept out

Sure they are, sure. How many lives lost? How many trillions?

 

[struth]

Sure they are, sure. How many lives lost? How many trillions?

Why does it matter? Freedom isn’t free

I guess in your view I should be in chains cause the civil war cost lots of lives and lots of money

Sorry, I don’t share your oppressive word view

 

[JonKoch]

Yes freedom

Look I share the views of some of those polled

I like the cheap gas trump gave us, I don’t like what Iran is doing to the pump

So I’m torn between my greed for that and this operation

But what I and most Americans don’t support is the Supreme leader, and the horrible regime…that’s what the difference is between us.

LMAOROG. Yeah, we support the "leader and the regime" in Iran shaking head




Cheeto didn't give US cheap gas, the Prez has very little control over the cost of things, unless he attacks a nation, unprovoked, 8 months after he said he "totally obliterated": their nuclear capabilities.

The US is tied to WORLD WIDE OIL PRICES. Especially since GOP blackmailed Obama to open up exporting oil in 2015, after a ban of 40 years!

 

[JonKoch]

Why does it matter? Freedom isn’t free

I guess in your view I should be in chains cause the civil war cost lots of lives and lots of money

Sorry, I don’t share your oppressive word view

Oh I get it,. Cheeto AND you are now for changing the bad regimes around the world? Which nations next? China?

Only fukn morons support "regime" changes without popular support of THEIR people. We bombed and took over the regime in Venezuela, what did we change there?

Learn some gawdam history of the past 100+ years of Monroe Doctrine BS

 

[struth]

LMAOROG. Yeah, we support the "leader and the regime" in Iran shaking head




Cheeto didn't give US cheap gas, the Prez has very little control over the cost of things, unless he attacks a nation, unprovoked, 8 months after he said he "totally obliterated": their nuclear capabilities.

The US is tied to WORLD WIDE OIL PRICES. Especially since GOP blackmailed Obama to open up exporting oil in 2015, after a ban of 40 years!

We don’t, you apparently do

Yes the President can impact the price of gas…see the five dollars per gallon under xiden

Yes trump gave us lower prices until the Iranian conflict

Really we had a ban on exporting oil until Obama lifted it after being blackmailed?

Link to ban?

What were they blackmailing Obama with?

 

[struth]

Oh I get it,. Cheeto AND you are now for changing the bad regimes around the world? Which nations next? China?

Only fukn morons support "regime" changes without popular support of THEIR people. We bombed and took over the regime in Venezuela, what did we change thee?

Learn some gawdam history of the past 100+ years of Monroe Doctrine BS

Nothing new, we did it with Germany, Japan, USSR, Iraq, etc

Doubtful China, Maybe Cuba. But, I hope we actually focus on Venezuela and helping the Iranians

Bitting off too much like Obama did, was a horror that lead to Isis and deaths

 

[JonKoch]

So unilaterally bombing a country and overthrowing their govt and killing their leader isn’t starting a war

I think it’s funny you cited the need for Obama’s actions to stop refugee crisis…when he left office he left the worse refugee crisis since w2

Gotcha

Yep, Syria was bad, good thing we didn't have much of a hand in it right? Afghanistan? Well yeah Dubya/Cheney, what needs to be said

 

[struth]

Yep, Syria was bad, good thing we didn't have much of a hand in it right? Afghanistan? Well yeah Dubya/Cheney, what needs to be said

Well I wasn’t referring to Syria

But yes that’s another major war Obama got us in

Afghan? Bush and Cheney? Last I checked that was also Obama and xiden war of necessity

 

[JonKoch]

We don’t, you apparently do

Yes the President can impact the price of gas…see the five dollars per gallon under xiden

Yes trump gave us lower prices until the Iranian conflict

Really we had a ban on exporting oil until Obama lifted it after being blackmailed?

Link to ban?

What were they blackmailing Obama with?

Gawd Show me what Biden did to cause $5 gas? Hint RUSSIA IINVADED A NATION!

• : The EPCA largely prohibited the export of crude oil, though it did not apply to refined petroleum products like gasoline.

• Exceptions: Limited exemptions included oil from Alaska's Cook Inlet, certain California heavy crude, and crude shipped to Canada.

• Duration: The policy was in place for four decades until Congress passed legislation that effectively lifted the ban in December 2015.

Energy Policy and Conservation Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LIBERALS AND PUBLIC POLICY EXPERTS WARNED COSTS WOULD RISE, BIH OIL PROFITS WOULD INCREASE AND US JOBS WILL BE LOST. GIESS WHAT HAPPENED?


We found that repealing the ban was associated with:

Expanding the market for U.S. crude oil to overseas buyers

Allowing producers to charge higher prices relative to comparable foreign oil

Decreasing profit margins for petroleum refiners as they paid more for domestic crude oil relative to international prices

Decreasing demand for U.S. tankers to move domestic oil, leading to declines in the U.S. shipping industry


GAO's analysis found limited effects associated with the repeal of the ban on the production, export, and import of domestic refined petroleum products, such as gasoline. However, profit margins—which are determined in part by the costs a refiner pays for the crude oil and the earnings a refiner receives from the sale of refined products—likely decreased as the prices refiners paid for domestic crude oil increased relative to international prices. Because gasoline prices are largely determined on the global market, U.S. refiners could not pass on to consumers the additional costs associated with the increase in crude oil prices, resulting in decreased profit margins for U.S. refiners.


Finally, after the repeal of the crude oil export ban, the U.S. shipping industry experienced a decline as demand fell for U.S. tankers—known as Jones Act tankers—used to move domestic crude oil between U.S. ports.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-118#:~:text=We%20found%20that%20repealing%20the,to%20comparable%20foreign%20crude%20oil.

 

[struth]

Gawd Show me what Biden did to cause $5 gas? Hint RUSSIA IINVADED A NATION!

• : The EPCA largely prohibited the export of crude oil, though it did not apply to refined petroleum products like gasoline.

• Exceptions: Limited exemptions included oil from Alaska's Cook Inlet, certain California heavy crude, and crude shipped to Canada.

• Duration: The policy was in place for four decades until Congress passed legislation that effectively lifted the ban in December 2015.

Energy Policy and Conservation Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LIBERALS AND PUBLIC POLICY EXPERTS WARNED COSTS WOULD RISE, BIH OIL PROFITS WOULD INCREASE AND US JOBS WILL BE LOST. GIESS WHAT HAPPENED?


We found that repealing the ban was associated with:

Expanding the market for U.S. crude oil to overseas buyers

Allowing producers to charge higher prices relative to comparable foreign oil

Decreasing profit margins for petroleum refiners as they paid more for domestic crude oil relative to international prices

Decreasing demand for U.S. tankers to move domestic oil, leading to declines in the U.S. shipping industry


GAO's analysis found limited effects associated with the repeal of the ban on the production, export, and import of domestic refined petroleum products, such as gasoline. However, profit margins—which are determined in part by the costs a refiner pays for the crude oil and the earnings a refiner receives from the sale of refined products—likely decreased as the prices refiners paid for domestic crude oil increased relative to international prices. Because gasoline prices are largely determined on the global market, U.S. refiners could not pass on to consumers the additional costs associated with the increase in crude oil prices, resulting in decreased profit margins for U.S. refiners.


Finally, after the repeal of the crude oil export ban, the U.S. shipping industry experienced a decline as demand fell for U.S. tankers—known as Jones Act tankers—used to move domestic crude oil between U.S. ports.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-118#:~:text=We%20found%20that%20repealing%20the,to%20comparable%20foreign%20crude%20oil.

Keep deflecting, he literally campaigned on killing the industry

FACT CHECK: The Real Reason Behind High Energy Costs - Ways and Means

American workers have lost three years of wage gains because of the Biden Administration’s policies, yet Democrats once again claim...

waysandmeans.house.gov

 

[JonKoch]

We don’t, you apparently do

Yes the President can impact the price of gas…see the five dollars per gallon under xiden

Yes trump gave us lower prices until the Iranian conflict

Really we had a ban on exporting oil until Obama lifted it after being blackmailed?

Link to ban?

What were they blackmailing Obama with?

Held up the bills in the Senate. Mainly it was the green new energy GOP refused to pass UNLESS BIG OIL could make more $$$$

Key Aspects of the 2015 Lifting of the Export Ban:

• Context: The US produced a massive surplus of oil due to horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, leading to demand for international market access.

• The Deal: Republicans secured the end of the ban, while Democrats obtained tax incentives for solar and wind energy and a pledge for green climate funding.

• Opposition: Opponents, including some Democratic Senators, argued the move would harm consumers by potentially increasing gasoline prices and hurting the environment.

Senators to President Obama: Lifting Crude Oil Export Ban Could Harm Consumers, Businesses, National Security​

Senators to President Obama: Lifting Crude Oil Export Ban Could Harm Consumers, Businesses, National Security | U.S. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts

Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) today led a letter to President Obama with 11 Senate colleagues expressing concern with efforts to lift the longstanding ban on exporting American crude oil. In the letter, the Senators outline how repealing the 40-year old ban...

www.markey.senate.gov

 

[JonKoch]

Nothing new, we did it with Germany, Japan, USSR, Iraq, etc

Doubtful China, Maybe Cuba. But, I hope we actually focus on Venezuela and helping the Iranians

Bitting off too much like Obama did, was a horror that lead to Isis and deaths

LMAOROG. Germany and Japan where 70+ million died in a world war?



We didn't do a régime change with USSR, they collapsed



Iraq? LMAOROG. Yeah, much better today with trillions spent and hundreds of thousands dead shaking head


OBAMA BIT OFF TOO MUCH AND HE CAUSED ISIS? Grow a fukn brain, Ronnie and his guns for hostages with Iran was the fore runner of Isis

 

[struth]

Held up the bills in the Senate. Mainly it was the green new energy GOP refused to pass UNLESS BIG OIL could make more $$$$

Key Aspects of the 2015 Lifting of the Export Ban:

• Context: The US produced a massive surplus of oil due to horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, leading to demand for international market access.

• The Deal: Republicans secured the end of the ban, while Democrats obtained tax incentives for solar and wind energy and a pledge for green climate funding.

• Opposition: Opponents, including some Democratic Senators, argued the move would harm consumers by potentially increasing gasoline prices and hurting the environment.

Senators to President Obama: Lifting Crude Oil Export Ban Could Harm Consumers, Businesses, National Security​

Senators to President Obama: Lifting Crude Oil Export Ban Could Harm Consumers, Businesses, National Security | U.S. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts

Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) today led a letter to President Obama with 11 Senate colleagues expressing concern with efforts to lift the longstanding ban on exporting American crude oil. In the letter, the Senators outline how repealing the 40-year old ban...

www.markey.senate.gov

Wait so the gOP blackmailed because we had too much of a surplus?

The reality is Obama’s energy killing regulations cause companies to explore other routes, which lead to fracking and a boom

 

[JonKoch]

Well I wasn’t referring to Syria

But yes that’s another major war Obama got us in

Afghan? Bush and Cheney? Last I checked that was also Obama and xiden war of necessity

Syria? Oh right 13 soldiers killed in over 10 years, Obama was horrible with that. Cheeto did that in less than 2 weeks

 

[JonKoch]

Wait so the gOP blackmailed because we had too much of a surplus?

The reality is Obama’s energy killing regulations cause companies to explore other routes, which lead to fracking and a boom

LMAOROG. Sure

 

[struth]

LMAOROG. Germany and Japan where 70+ million died in a world war?



We didn't do a régime change with USSR, they collapsed



Iraq? LMAOROG. Yeah, much better today with trillions spent and hundreds of thousands dead shaking head


OBAMA BIT OFF TOO MUCH AND HE CAUSED ISIS? Grow a fukn brain, Ronnie and his guns for hostages with Iran was the fore runner of Isis

Yes, clearly we have leaned to do it better with less loss of lives…it helps to get it going before they start a final solution

Haha we caused the collapse

Yes much better…the country was less free abd world less safe with your pal Saddam in charge

 

[JonKoch]

Keep deflecting, he literally campaigned on killing the industry

FACT CHECK: The Real Reason Behind High Energy Costs - Ways and Means

American workers have lost three years of wage gains because of the Biden Administration’s policies, yet Democrats once again claim...

waysandmeans.house.gov

So you CAN'T show ANYTHING Biden did, you know LAWS OR REGULATIONS that caused the bump in prices until Putin invaded Ukraine?

Wow and Cheeto decided to invade Iran and prices shot up? Must both be Obama/Biden's fault!

 

[JonKoch]

Yes, clearly we have leaned to do it better with less loss of lives…it helps to get it going before they start a final solution

Haha we caused the collapse

Yes much better…the country was less free abd world less safe with your pal Saddam in charge

Only moons thinks Iraq's better without Saddam, the guy didn't have extremists running around UNTIL Dubya/Cheney's war of choice

READ SOME HISTORY. IF IT WAS FOR REGIME CHANGE, DUBYA SHOULD'VE SAID THAT INSTEAD OF LYING, LIKE CHEETO IS NOW!

 

[The Duke]

The nuns taught me to read in the 60s and that`s how I get my news. Do you think that the evil "media" has meetings in the morning to decide what they`ll report?

No, it gets dictated from the top down by AP and Reuters, and that's what all the networks have to work with from day to day.