I find it unsettling that MAGA's and foremost ex. MAGA's lay Trump's failures and thus his failed foreign policy solely onto Israel.

[Harry Dresden]

Your posts show in no way, any improvements - you need to try harder, or simply stay out of a "demanding" topic.

what no name?...and yea kruska this topic you picked was just so demanding......

 

[Kruska]

...and yea kruska this topic you picked was just so demanding......

Told you so.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Told you so.

to you it was demanding ...everyone else laughed....and you got a warning for your little name calling didnt you?...

 

[Kruska]

to you it was demanding ...everyone else laughed....and you got a warning for your little name calling didnt you?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

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no names again?...

 

[jacksonlamb]

Carter certainly bet onto the wrong horse - the Shah (as the vast majority of Americans at the time) - instead of getting on "normal" terms with Iran. Thus keeping even a Mullah regime tied to the US $ and US interests. However it's got nothing to do with Israel nor Bibi - Israel at the time even supported the Mullah regime for more then ten years. Since Israel at the time was obsessed with Iraq.

That's nonsense. These are radical Shi'a who will kill non-believers who do not do want the Islamic leaders want.

They will nuke the US and Tel Aviv. We can't win a land war in Iran, but we can keep bombing as necessary when an U program gets too far along.

Trump should say the war is over and open the straits.

 

[Kruska]

That's nonsense. These are radical Shi'a who will kill non-believers who do not do want the Islamic leaders want.

They will nuke the US and Tel Aviv. We can't win a land war in Iran, but we can keep bombing as necessary when an U program gets too far along.

That's were you and I have a "very" different opinion. - Have you been like me, to Iran in the past 10 years?

Trump should say the war is over and open the straits.

He most likely will - since he screwed it up already latest since 2025.

 

[schmidlap]

That's were you and I have a "very" different opinion. - Have you been like me, to Iran in the past 10 years?

He most likely will - since he screwed it up already latest since 2025.

Trump, coming as no surprise, has failed to achieve his objectives in Iran, With the same regime in power, in possession of its nuclear materials stockpile, and continuing to demonstrate its control over the global economy, the blowhard's boast pf "Victory!" was inevitable from the first day when a girls' school was bombed.

Only the conman's cult will refuse to accept reality.

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... 61 percent of Americans believe it was a mistake for Trump to start the Iran war.​

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Republicans largely back Trump’s decision, with 79 percent supporting it; however, support drops among “non-MAGA Republicans,” with 50 percent believing it was the right decision, while 86 percent of MAGA Republicans do.​

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Democrats overwhelmingly oppose it, with 91 percent saying it was a mistake. Seventy-one percent of independents do as well.​

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MSN ​

 

[Kruska]

Trump, coming as no surprise, has failed to achieve his objectives in Iran, With the same regime in power, in possession of its nuclear materials stockpile, and continuing to demonstrate its control over the global economy, the blowhard's boast pf "Victory!" was inevitable from the first day when a girls' school was bombed.

Only the conman's cult will refuse to accept reality.

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... 61 percent of Americans believe it was a mistake for Trump to start the Iran war.​

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Republicans largely back Trump’s decision, with 79 percent supporting it; however, support drops among “non-MAGA Republicans,” with 50 percent believing it was the right decision, while 86 percent of MAGA Republicans do.​

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Democrats overwhelmingly oppose it, with 91 percent saying it was a mistake. Seventy-one percent of independents do as well.​

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MSN ​

Thanks for you input - what are your thoughts in regards to my opening post?

 

[schmidlap]

Thanks for you input - what are your thoughts in regards to my opening post?

Bibi, a war criminal, is desperate to cling to office, but Trump, as a conman, should not have been conned by the Bibi, if he was.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Trump made it very clear that he - just as any other US president, will not allow for Iran to ever obtain a nuclear weapon capability.
Therefore a joint and illegal strike by the USA and Israel onto Iran, already in 2025. IIRC no MAGA objected to that illegal strike.

The USA has it's own EXTENSIVE intel service branches - so there is no way that Israel could feed unchallenged fake information to the US President.
The US intelligence community absolutely challenged and distrusted the WMD bull that was forwarded to Bush.jun. It wasn't Israel that "convinced" him either, but his own political agenda towards Iraq and the Middle-East.

That Bibi supposedly lied to Trump via "convincing" him - that a decapitation strike onto Tehran would make Iran surrender to their demands within a week or two, simply isn't proven. Neither is the claim that Bibi bullshitted TACO into "Iran will achieve nuclear readiness in a week or two.

So what are Trump's real motives for attacking Venezuela and Iran, claiming Canada and Greenland, kicking Chinese port authorities out of Panama and his possible next targets??
Whereby the first executed job, nor his intentions towards Canada, Greenland and Panama has absolutely nothing to do with Bibi.

Bibi's intentions and policies towards the Middle-East are absolutely no secret - neither is that of Turkey, Saudi-Arabia or Iran.
So Trump decides that Iran will be his next target - that Bibi is having a hell of a party is understood. Due to the operation being absolutely ill planed - Trump the USA gets stuck in a huge mess and cripples additionally the global economy.

Every US president, latest since Nixon has unconditionally backed Israels policy towards Palestinians and it's neighbors. Blocked ever single UNSC resolution that would have caused Israel to change or halt it's policy. The genocidal actions by Israel in Gaza were not condemned by senile Biden nor Trump. No sanctions or embargos where demanded or called for until today by the USA.

And now - simply due to the USA getting stuck at Iran - it's all, suddenly Bibi's fault??

This all just sounds like a cheap exuse to me, for MAGA's and "ex MAGA's" to simply deny their active support towards Trump - which factually enabled Trump to take power, and thus restart his known "active" policy that laid bare for 4 years. Independent of ex MAGA's that in view of Trump's overall unchristian behavior might have led them to abandon TACO.

So what are the thoughts of other USMB members?

As always, nothing but hysterical nonsense. All those words just to say you hate Israel and you hate the US, especially Trump, and you don't know why.

 

[schmidlap]

As always, nothing but hysterical nonsense. All those words just to say you hate Israel and you hate the US, especially Trump, and you don't know why.

The same Iranian regime retains its same capacity to develop a nuclear weapon that it has had since the 1980s.

It has now, thanks to Trump, been given the opportunity to demonstrate its power to wreak havoc with the global economy.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The same Iranian regime retains its same capacity to develop a nuclear weapon that it has had since the 1980s.

It has now, thanks to Trump, been given the opportunity to demonstrate its power to wreak havoc with the global economy.

Exactly, as you say, Iran is a threat to the whole world, and that's why the ayatollahs' regime must be neutralized.

 

[schmidlap]

Exactly, as you say, Iran is a threat to the whole world, and that's why the ayatollahs' regime must be neutralized.

... and Trump has just shown how to fail to do that - at an enormous cost.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Exactly, as you say, Iran is a threat to the whole world, and that's why the ayatollahs' regime must be neutralized.

How? Trump clearly has no idea.

 

[Kruska]

As always, nothing but hysterical nonsense. All those words just to say you hate Israel and you hate the US, especially Trump, and you don't know why.

I am friends, close friends with about two dozen Israelis - mostly IDF members.
To forward that I "hate" Israel is about as stupid as you can get. Not even to mention your bull about me "hating" the USA.

 

[toomuchtime_]

... and Trump has just shown how to fail to do that - at an enormous cost.

That may be what you want to believe, but he is actually neutralizing the Ayatollahs as we speak. By any measure, he has the ayatollahs on the ropes and the question now is not if they will go down but when they will go down.

 

[jacksonlamb]

That may be what you want to believe, but he is actually neutralizing the Ayatollahs as we speak. By any measure, he has the ayatollahs on the ropes and the question now is not if they will go down but when they will go down.

No, he's not.

 

[toomuchtime_]

How? Trump clearly has no idea.

You may have no idea what is going on, but Trump is systematically taking away everything the ayatollahs have while antigovernment protests in Iran are increasing and while desertions from the IRGC and the regular army are increasing. Iran's fractured government will not be able to survive as all these things continue closing in on them.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I am friends, close friends with about two dozen Israelis - mostly IDF members.
To forward that I "hate" Israel is about as stupid as you can get. Not even to mention your bull about me "hating" the USA.

You can run, but you can't hide. It is plain from your posts you hate both Israel and the US from all the lies you tell in your posts.