Official USMB Debate 2020 -- "Round One" Thread..

[candycorn]

Already reading that numerous democrats don't want Slow Joe to debate again. Wow! Even his own supporters are telling him to stop.

I told them Biden can't handle an opponent as strong as Trump. Hell Hillary barely stood her ground and she's about as nasty as the Dems have.

Phhhhhheewww....oh boy....

First off, hats off to Wallace. That could not have been an easy job. For those of you who say Wallace is a disgrace...you are entitled to your opinion...but I just dont see it.

I imagine wallace, after he leaves tonight is going to have himself a stiff drink.....or 18....

I did not see where wallace was favoring trump at all. He spent most of the debate trying to shut trump down. Again, that chair was a tough place to be tonight.

Say what you will, but biden did it. He held out for the entire debate and didn't cave. Sure, he had a few moments where he got a bit tongue tied, but at the end of it all, he didn't turn into the nonsensical babbling person people thought he would. For the most part, he stayed on point. Its because of this that I think trumps antics actually helped biden.

Biden, by withstanding trumps onslaught, showed people he has more resolve. I think this is going to play well for biden, not so much for trump.

Trump had a good opportunity here to prove all of his critics wrong. He should have stood up there, and respected biden. He should have respected Wallace, and the rules of the debate. They both should have spoken when it was their turn and respected the other person when it wasn't.

Trump had an opportunity to look presidential, but he didn't do it. He had to be the aggressor and the bully. He had to dominate and try to shut biden down. He could have been the bigger man, and people would have gained respect for him, because he would have shown the country that he could stand there and carry on a debate, calmly, and with reservation.

Again, I think this is not going to play well for trump. Let's hope someone talks to him and gives him some constructive criticism before their next debate.

I think most people have already made up their minds, so, in the long run, this will probably not really hurt trump.

200 million?

Huh?

You say the Slow Joe "did it"... But he claimed 200 million have died from Covid. That statement alone showed his 47 years of doing nothing has destructed his brain. The old man is shot. He had nothing but deflecting fake laughs. President Trump is living in his head now rent free. Let him keep fake laughing while people are dying.

Was biden gaffe free? No, but I think he did a lot better than most people were expecting.

People were claiming he needed breaks because he couldn't handle 90 minutes straight. People were saying he was going to fall apart.

Again, say what you will, he withstood better than most thought he would, and with trump interrupting and trying rattle him the whole time, I think it may have backfired on trump.

He was lucid, manipulative, and just kept telling one huge lie after another.

Wallace allowed Biden to lie with impunity, Trump had to jump in and do the moderating.

When your opposition starts attacking the moderator for their candidates rather poor performance, then you know you won.

Considering the fact that Wallace was doing the job of 4 moderator and how poorly the candidates followed the rules, I think he did a very good job. If I was Wallace, I would have politely told them to shut up and then I would have turned off their mike. This wasn't a debate, it was a shouting match in which each candidate spent as much time off topic as they spent on topic.

If you're ahead in the polls, as Biden seems to be, he did quite a bit better than he had to. I think he actually gained ground.

I think the debate probably energized both candidates base for different reasons.

Biden's base breathed a sign of relief. Trump couldn't shake him, he was effective when he addressed the TV audience, something Trump should have done more of, he answered most of the questions, and he made Trump look like a angry bully unable to defend his actions other than launching off topic attacks on Biden.

Trump's base got exactly what they wanted from Trump, interrupting Biden over and over, talking over him, lots of attacks, and going off topic to make wildly exaggerated claims.

For the non-political types hoping to learn something knew, they turned it off after 20 mins. For them it was two angry people shouting and talking over each other.

If it is as you say, which it wasn't, Biden won big time ,Trump is way behind in the polls because of who he is , his only chance of changing that was to show up less Nazi instead of more Nazi. Biden won.

Polls are meaningless except for their trends they represent. The trends are positive. I hope it translates at the ballot boxes.

 

[meaner gene]

Hunter Biden announced his intention to resign from the company in October 2019 so as not to complicate the U.S. Presidential aspirations of his father, Joe Biden,[5] but as of Q2 2020 company records still show him employed as a board member.

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Who cares about Hunter? We need to know where is Trump tax returns.

It's so sad that a sitting president can't run on his accomplishments, and instead resorts to attacking his opponents family.

 

[ninja007]

whenever biden said thats a lie, that was good enough for chris.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I have a question for Trump supporters:

If poor forest management is the cause of California's current fires, why has the instances of fires increased so much just this year?

Was forest management better last year or the year before? Has forest management changed drastically?

Or has the climate changed?

How is it rainfall and temperatures are normal?

How is that you can lie like that , normal ya , hate nazi normal.

How is it you slander so easily? Temps and rainfall are the same today as they were 25 years ago.

 

[Mac1958]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

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The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

Walking and defending your self when attacked, is the opposite of terrorism.


It is sad that America needs to be told that.

When a President is asked to condemn violence after an election and he refuses to do so, that is a sad day for America democracy.

This is Trumpism. A sad day for American democracy, and a terrible reflection of what this country now is.

It is sad that self defense is considered controversial.

THAT'S what that was?

Holy crap.

Okay, got it.

 

[JoeB131]

Absolutely not. I have bashed Jew hating righties here nonstop. Ask the Mods. For that I WAS punished. They don't seem to mind me being mean to you though, LOL.

Yet you constantly whine about it.

 

[JoeB131]

You do realize he was complimenting the people protesting the statue, too right? The ones who weren't violent? The ones who didn't respond to violence with violence? Same of the alt right protesting the removal. Not all of them were there to cause violence and mayhem, something you love to ignore. You lump them all together like the partisan you naturally are. And then you try to say Trump was saying the extremists were "very fine people".

Nobody who supports keeping up racist Confederate monuments is a "fine person". They are all awful racists.

This never, ever should have been a complicated issue.

The real problem is, Trump is the toxic final version of White Resentment Politics. This is why he can't denounce racists.

 

[JoeB131]

And this picturebook proves what, exactly?

That there weren't just some Civil War re-enactors there from the Historical Society. This was entirely a function of the the ALT Right, Twinkie. These were racists, emboldened by a racist president, to come crawling out of their rocks.

 

[JoeB131]

Already posted it. Next...

Proud Boys arent an alt right group. Not sure what they are but they have African American members.

So they got a couple of self-hating Uncle Toms to join.

Proud Boys

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So the Proud Boys have learned to use a few code-words to sound less racist than the Aryan Nation. Even the 1920's Klan felt the need to wrap itself in the flag and "Get right with Lincoln".

 

[Correll]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

www.usatoday.com

The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

Walking and defending your self when attacked, is the opposite of terrorism.


It is sad that America needs to be told that.

When a President is asked to condemn violence after an election and he refuses to do so, that is a sad day for America democracy.

This is Trumpism. A sad day for American democracy, and a terrible reflection of what this country now is.

It is sad that self defense is considered controversial.

THAT'S what that was?

Holy crap.

Okay, got it.

Your refusal to engage in actual discussion is well know. Drive by jabs are the act of an intellectual vandal.


My point stands. THe Proud BOys, stage marches, and well Anfita attacks, they defend themselves.

NO ONE should have a problem with their actions.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I totally agree. Biden lied most of the time, scoffed and chuckled about things that were true. In other words - like any politician. I am only speaking about the debate itself. Just the debate.
You can't possibly say Trump acted like a President last night. That was the leader of the free world??
I don't know what happened to him. He has never acted that unhinged before.

You're kidding, right? Trump has been this fucking unhinged for the last four years. This is who Trump is. This is what you all voted for when you passed up 16 other candidates, including Governor and Senators, to pick THIS clown.

You sound like the Bride who complains about the husband her whole family told her NOT to marry.

Bided refused to admit he would pack the court, just didn't answer. Biden also called Antifa an "idea". Trump was unhinged. Four years of dealing with the biased media came spilling out in one debate. Likely felt refreshing for him but IMO was a poor strategy. Biden also denied that Hunter received all that money from Burisma, China and Russia but he did. Poor performance by both candidates.


From 2014 to 2019, Hunter Biden was a paid member of the board of directors of Burisma Holdings, a large Ukrainian natural gas producer. The company’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was investigated for alleged corruption and bribery in the U.K. and Ukraine. Between 2015 and 2016, Ukraine’s prosecutor general was Viktor Shokin, whose office conducted an investigation into Zlochevsky.

In January 2018, Joe Biden spoke at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting and recounted the pressure that the Obama administration in general, and himself in particular, had placed on Ukraine’s government to fire Shokin. That pressure included threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees to the country.''


Hunter Biden and his associate, Archer, had a financial relationship with Russian businesswoman Elena Baturina. Baturina is the former wife of the late Yuri Luzhkov, who was the mayor of Moscow and was fired in 2010 by then-Russian president Dmitry Medvedev over corruption allegations. Baturina became Russia’s only female billionaire when her plastics company, Inteko, received a series of Moscow municipal contracts while her husband was mayor.

…On Feb. 14, 2014, Baturina wired $3.5 million to a Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (Rosemont Seneca Thornton) bank account for a “Consultancy Agreement DD12.02.2014.” Rosemont Seneca Thornton is an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden that was incorporated on May 28, 2013 in Wilmington, Del.

Rosemont Seneca Thornton was not Hunter Biden’s company. He had nothing to do with that company.

I will wait for your admission of error again.

Lone Leftist please stop trolling.

Hunter Biden announced his intention to resign from the company in October 2019 so as not to complicate the U.S. Presidential aspirations of his father, Joe Biden,[5] but as of Q2 2020 company records still show him employed as a board member.

Inside the shady private equity firm run by Kerry and Biden’s kids

“My frustration,” writes Peter Schweizer in his new book, “Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends,” “is not that the solid rep…

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Who cares about Hunter? We need to know where is Trump tax returns.

Yeah cause Trumps personal tax returns from 3-4 years ago to prove an unimportant point, is sooo much more important than Biden using his position to pressure foreign governments to give his son money.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah cause Trumps personal tax returns from 3-4 years ago to prove an unimportant point, is sooo much more important than Biden using his position to pressure foreign governments to give his son money.

Except that didn't happen, and Trump is the one who got impeached for trying to spread that lie.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Yeah cause Trumps personal tax returns from 3-4 years ago to prove an unimportant point, is sooo much more important than Biden using his position to pressure foreign governments to give his son money.

Except that didn't happen, and Trump is the one who got impeached for trying to spread that lie.

Yeah except Hunter pays $12,000 a month for a magnificent mansion in L.A.
Even though he is currently unemployed. And without Burisma's windfall, as well as China... he would have no other source of income to explain how he covers that.
Oh... and did I mention he drives a $129,000 Porche?

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah except Hunter pays $12,000 a month for a magnificent mansion in L.A.
Even though he is currently unemployed. And without Burisma's windfall, as well as China... he would have no other source of income to explain how he covers that.
Oh... and did I mention he drives a $129,000 Porche?

Yes, he's done very well as a business advisor. What's your point? Frankly, your side is just fine with the idle rich.

Except this guy, I guess.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Yeah except Hunter pays $12,000 a month for a magnificent mansion in L.A.
Even though he is currently unemployed. And without Burisma's windfall, as well as China... he would have no other source of income to explain how he covers that.
Oh... and did I mention he drives a $129,000 Porche?

Yes, he's done very well as a business advisor. What's your point? Frankly, your side is just fine with the idle rich.

Except this guy, I guess.

HAHAHAHAAA.... that is hilarious. NO ONE paid him for business advice. NO ONE. He has never ran a business, a failed lawyer with a drug problem. His "business advice" company is obviously just a front to receive checks from peole his daddy pressured into paying.
... successful business advisor...

 

[JoeB131]

HAHAHAHAAA.... that is hilarious. NO ONE paid him for business advice. NO ONE. He has never ran a business, a failed lawyer with a drug problem. His "business advice" company is obviously just a front to receive checks from peole his daddy pressured into paying.
... successful business advisor...

Okay, so when Bush appointed him to Run Amtrak, it was clearly to give him checks, for some reason?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

HAHAHAHAAA.... that is hilarious. NO ONE paid him for business advice. NO ONE. He has never ran a business, a failed lawyer with a drug problem. His "business advice" company is obviously just a front to receive checks from peole his daddy pressured into paying.
... successful business advisor...

Okay, so when Bush appointed him to Run Amtrak, it was clearly to give him checks, for some reason?

HJAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!.... Bush appointed him to run Amtrak??? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA...
For 3 years he was paid a little over $10k per YEAR to sit at a table once a month.
HAHAHAA!!... run Amtrak.....

 

[JoeB131]

HJAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!.... Bush appointed him to run Amtrak??? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA...
For 3 years he was paid a little over $10k per YEAR to sit at a table once a month.
HAHAHAA!!... run Amtrak.....

Point is, he was appointed...

He was also hired by a number of lobbying firms. Unlike Trump's spawn, who have to go into the family business.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

HJAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!.... Bush appointed him to run Amtrak??? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA...
For 3 years he was paid a little over $10k per YEAR to sit at a table once a month.
HAHAHAA!!... run Amtrak.....

Point is, he was appointed...

He was also hired by a number of lobbying firms. Unlike Trump's spawn, who have to go into the family business.

HAHAHAHAHAA... and you think...haha... that he would have gotten those lobby firms without daddy???
HAHAHAHA

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hunter Biden announced his intention to resign from the company in October 2019 so as not to complicate the U.S. Presidential aspirations of his father, Joe Biden,[5] but as of Q2 2020 company records still show him employed as a board member.

Inside the shady private equity firm run by Kerry and Biden’s kids

“My frustration,” writes Peter Schweizer in his new book, “Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends,” “is not that the solid rep…

www.google.com

Who cares about Hunter? We need to know where is Trump tax returns.

It's so sad that a sitting president can't run on his accomplishments, and instead resorts to attacking his opponents family.

He can but the media diminishes them. Accomplishments be damned its all about ad hominems. Even the Democrat debates were full of them.