Official State of the Union Thread

[kiwiman127]

Prove it, that the left wants real socialism

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'As described'?



I don't play by your spin and / or BS games.

AOC wants to add approx. $42+ TRILLION in new debt in the next 10 years - $10+ Trillion in infrastructure/Green energy and approx. $35 Trillion for 'Medicare for all' after stripping millions of Americans of their already-existing health insurance to replace it with a govt-run 1-size-fits-all program that will result in long waits for inadequate care and health care rationing by the govt.
-- These have pretty much ruled the headlines the last week

As I said above, Americans can SEE for themselves the BS these 2 are pushing just by looking at Venezuela today!

+ Quo

It seems like every single time I call you one one of your hyper-partisan ignorant quotes, you say the same thing, such as "I don't play by your spin and / or BS games."
If you are going to say something as factual, you had better back yourself up. But, that's not the game you want to play. You just want to post something, anything, as fact. when it isn't.
That is pure bull shit.
Fifteen years ago, I was post on The Atlantic's forum. If a poster stated something as fact but couldn't back it up, they were banned. Now clowns like you, say anything they want, without an ounce of fact. In a court of law, that would be perjury.

 

[protectionist]

“The U.S. economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, and we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world.”

This is false.
The American economy expanded at an annual rate of 3.5 percent in the third quarter of 2018. Growth in Latvia and Poland was almost twice as fast. Same for China and India. Even the troubled Greek economy posted stronger growth. And a wide range of economic analysts estimate that the growth of the American economy slowed in the fourth quarter, and slowed even further in the first month of 2019.

“My administration has cut more regulations in a short period of time than any other administration during its entire tenure.”

This is false.
The Trump administration has slowed the pace of adopting new rules, and it has moved to roll back some existing or proposed federal regulations, particularly in the area of environmental protection. The White House claimed that as of October, a total of $33 billion worth of future regulator costs had been eliminated. But experts say the scale of the rollbacks in the Trump era still does not exceed extensive cuts in federal rules during the Carter and Reagan administrations, when rules governing airline, truck and rail transportation were wiped off the books, among other changes.

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.

“More people are working now than at any time in our history.”

This is misleading.
While the total number of people working in the United States is higher than ever, it is not because of the president’s policies. It is because more people than ever live in the United States.

“The border city of El Paso, Tex., used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country.”

This is false.
El Paso was never one of the most dangerous cities in the United States, and crime has been declining in cities across the country — not just El Paso — for reasons that have nothing to do with border fencing. In 2008, before border barriers had been completed in El Paso, the city had the second-lowest violent crime rate among more than 20 similarly sized cities. In 2010, after the fencing went up, it held that place.

“San Diego used to have the most illegal border crossings in our country. In response, a strong security wall was put in place. This powerful barrier almost completely ended illegal crossings.”

This is misleading.
Border apprehensions decreased by 91 percent in the San Diego sector between the 1994 fiscal year, right after the original border fencing was completed, to the 2018 fiscal year. But, according to the Congressional Research Service, that fence alone “did not have a discernible impact” on the number of immigrants crossing the border into the United States illegally.

“As we speak, large, organized caravans are on the march to the United States.”

This is exaggerated.
At the end of January, a new caravan of thousands of migrants from Central America was headed north, and some of the travelers said they intended to try to cross into the United States. But many in the caravan have said they plan to remain in Mexico, thanks in part to policies put in place by the new Mexican government. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has made it easier for Central Americans to get visas and work in Mexico. President Trump’s warnings of an imminent invasion from new caravans is overstated.

“I hope you can pass the U.S.M.C.A. into law, so we can bring back our manufacturing jobs in even greater numbers, expanding American agriculture, protecting intellectual property, and ensuring that more cars are proudly stamped with the four beautiful words: Made in the U.S.A.”

This is exaggerated.
The revised trade deal with Canada and Mexico, known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, does include provisions that are intended to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States — like minimum wage provisions for some auto manufacturing. But some economists have said those provisions could ultimately push more manufacturing — and jobs — outside North America. The deal does allow American farmers to sell more dairy products to Canada. But the trade pact has yet to be approved by Congress, and both Democrats and Republicans say that is unlikely to happen without significant changes.

“We had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth.”

This is false.
In an interview last month, Gov. Ralph Northam said that he supported a late-term abortion bill that would loosen restrictions on the procedure, and allow women to consult with a doctor on an abortion up to, but not including, the time of birth.

The governor, a pediatric neurologist, also talked about some of the dangerous medical emergencies that pregnant women could face, such as carrying a nonviable fetus. He said that in such a case, the mother would deliver the infant and then, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” While Mr. Northam was talking about an end-of-life care discussion in the case of a child that would not live, Republicans seized on his remarks as evidence that Mr. Northam supported killing babies after their birth.

1.

"The US economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, >>
N​

O, Trump's statement on the economy is NOT FALSE. He is perfectly CORRECT. Wen he took office, GDP growth was 1.8%. The last GDP reading shows 3.4% > almost twice the 1.8% when he took over. See US Bureau of Economic Analysis GDP chart. >>>

Also you have no source link listed. I do >> United States GDP Growth Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Secondly, I haven't verified your claims about the economies of Latvia and Poland and you provided no source/link to substantiate, but in any case, Trump said "we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world.” By Trump's use of the word "considered", that statement refers to the OPINIONS of unknowns, not stated specifically by Trump, and is characterized by the word "hottest" which again, is speculative as to the exact meaning of that (which could be defined in a number of ways)

2. “My administration has cut more regulations in a short period of time than any other administration during its entire tenure.”

Your response fails here in 2 ways. First, "experts say" doesn't cut it as a source of information. In fact, it's not a source at all.
Secondly, seeing the context, Trump was talking about business regulations. You said >> "extensive cuts in federal rules" That could refer to a wide variety of "rules", all having nothing to do with business regulation, and the word "extensive" isn't exact enough to make a quantitative comparison of Trump's comments on regulation cuts relative to other presidents.

 

[protectionist]

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.

“More people are working now than at any time in our history.”

This is misleading.
While the total number of people working in the United States is higher than ever, it is not because of the president’s policies. It is because more people than ever live in the United States.

“The border city of El Paso, Tex., used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country.”

This is false.
El Paso was never one of the most dangerous cities in the United States, and crime has been declining in cities across the country — not just El Paso — for reasons that have nothing to do with border fencing. In 2008, before border barriers had been completed in El Paso, the city had the second-lowest violent crime rate among more than 20 similarly sized cities. In 2010, after the fencing went up, it held that place.

“San Diego used to have the most illegal border crossings in our country. In response, a strong security wall was put in place. This powerful barrier almost completely ended illegal crossings.”

This is misleading.
Border apprehensions decreased by 91 percent in the San Diego sector between the 1994 fiscal year, right after the original border fencing was completed, to the 2018 fiscal year. But, according to the Congressional Research Service, that fence alone “did not have a discernible impact” on the number of immigrants crossing the border into the United States illegally.

“As we speak, large, organized caravans are on the march to the United States.”

This is exaggerated.
At the end of January, a new caravan of thousands of migrants from Central America was headed north, and some of the travelers said they intended to try to cross into the United States. But many in the caravan have said they plan to remain in Mexico, thanks in part to policies put in place by the new Mexican government. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has made it easier for Central Americans to get visas and work in Mexico. President Trump’s warnings of an imminent invasion from new caravans is overstated.

“I hope you can pass the U.S.M.C.A. into law, so we can bring back our manufacturing jobs in even greater numbers, expanding American agriculture, protecting intellectual property, and ensuring that more cars are proudly stamped with the four beautiful words: Made in the U.S.A.”

This is exaggerated.
The revised trade deal with Canada and Mexico, known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, does include provisions that are intended to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States — like minimum wage provisions for some auto manufacturing. But some economists have said those provisions could ultimately push more manufacturing — and jobs — outside North America. The deal does allow American farmers to sell more dairy products to Canada. But the trade pact has yet to be approved by Congress, and both Democrats and Republicans say that is unlikely to happen without significant changes.

“We had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth.”

This is false.
In an interview last month, Gov. Ralph Northam said that he supported a late-term abortion bill that would loosen restrictions on the procedure, and allow women to consult with a doctor on an abortion up to, but not including, the time of birth.

The governor, a pediatric neurologist, also talked about some of the dangerous medical emergencies that pregnant women could face, such as carrying a nonviable fetus. He said that in such a case, the mother would deliver the infant and then, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” While Mr. Northam was talking about an end-of-life care discussion in the case of a child that would not live, Republicans seized on his remarks as evidence that Mr. Northam supported killing babies after their birth.

3. “We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started."

Up until now, I have been trusting you as to the veracity of the quotes from Trump. But I don't trust you. You're a liberal, and liberals have shown that they will do anything to push their agenda, and weaken Trump.

I have already addressed 2 of your responses, and found them to be inaccurate and subpar.

For the rest of these responses of yours then, I won't comment unless you provide video of the SOTU address, showing Trump saying these words that you claim he said. You posted them, so you must have gotten that from somewhere. Where ? Got a source ? Got a link ? Got anything ?

 

[Erinwltr]

Doy

Nobody cares what the fringe left thought about the speech......what matters is what the whole country thought.

Facts are what matter. Trump had none. He spouted lies and more lies.

Well of course you are going to say that but in life, reality is 95% perception. The President blasted it out of the park in the minds of the majority. Everything else is noise.

Yup. He hit a massive home run and the Dems are STILL trying to field it.

LMAO! POTUS bunted and was let on first. Just ask his tennis coach.

 

[BULLDOG]

“The U.S. economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, and we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world.”

This is false.
The American economy expanded at an annual rate of 3.5 percent in the third quarter of 2018. Growth in Latvia and Poland was almost twice as fast. Same for China and India. Even the troubled Greek economy posted stronger growth. And a wide range of economic analysts estimate that the growth of the American economy slowed in the fourth quarter, and slowed even further in the first month of 2019.

“My administration has cut more regulations in a short period of time than any other administration during its entire tenure.”

This is false.
The Trump administration has slowed the pace of adopting new rules, and it has moved to roll back some existing or proposed federal regulations, particularly in the area of environmental protection. The White House claimed that as of October, a total of $33 billion worth of future regulator costs had been eliminated. But experts say the scale of the rollbacks in the Trump era still does not exceed extensive cuts in federal rules during the Carter and Reagan administrations, when rules governing airline, truck and rail transportation were wiped off the books, among other changes.

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.

“More people are working now than at any time in our history.”

This is misleading.
While the total number of people working in the United States is higher than ever, it is not because of the president’s policies. It is because more people than ever live in the United States.

“The border city of El Paso, Tex., used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country.”

This is false.
El Paso was never one of the most dangerous cities in the United States, and crime has been declining in cities across the country — not just El Paso — for reasons that have nothing to do with border fencing. In 2008, before border barriers had been completed in El Paso, the city had the second-lowest violent crime rate among more than 20 similarly sized cities. In 2010, after the fencing went up, it held that place.

“San Diego used to have the most illegal border crossings in our country. In response, a strong security wall was put in place. This powerful barrier almost completely ended illegal crossings.”

This is misleading.
Border apprehensions decreased by 91 percent in the San Diego sector between the 1994 fiscal year, right after the original border fencing was completed, to the 2018 fiscal year. But, according to the Congressional Research Service, that fence alone “did not have a discernible impact” on the number of immigrants crossing the border into the United States illegally.

“As we speak, large, organized caravans are on the march to the United States.”

This is exaggerated.
At the end of January, a new caravan of thousands of migrants from Central America was headed north, and some of the travelers said they intended to try to cross into the United States. But many in the caravan have said they plan to remain in Mexico, thanks in part to policies put in place by the new Mexican government. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has made it easier for Central Americans to get visas and work in Mexico. President Trump’s warnings of an imminent invasion from new caravans is overstated.

“I hope you can pass the U.S.M.C.A. into law, so we can bring back our manufacturing jobs in even greater numbers, expanding American agriculture, protecting intellectual property, and ensuring that more cars are proudly stamped with the four beautiful words: Made in the U.S.A.”

This is exaggerated.
The revised trade deal with Canada and Mexico, known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, does include provisions that are intended to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States — like minimum wage provisions for some auto manufacturing. But some economists have said those provisions could ultimately push more manufacturing — and jobs — outside North America. The deal does allow American farmers to sell more dairy products to Canada. But the trade pact has yet to be approved by Congress, and both Democrats and Republicans say that is unlikely to happen without significant changes.

“We had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth.”

This is false.
In an interview last month, Gov. Ralph Northam said that he supported a late-term abortion bill that would loosen restrictions on the procedure, and allow women to consult with a doctor on an abortion up to, but not including, the time of birth.

The governor, a pediatric neurologist, also talked about some of the dangerous medical emergencies that pregnant women could face, such as carrying a nonviable fetus. He said that in such a case, the mother would deliver the infant and then, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” While Mr. Northam was talking about an end-of-life care discussion in the case of a child that would not live, Republicans seized on his remarks as evidence that Mr. Northam supported killing babies after their birth.

1.

"The US economy is growing almost twice as fast today as when I took office, >>
N​

O, Trump's statement on the economy is NOT FALSE. He is perfectly CORRECT. Wen he took office, GDP growth was 1.8%. The last GDP reading shows 3.4% > almost twice the 1.8% when he took over. See US Bureau of Economic Analysis GDP chart. >>>

Also you have no source link listed. I do >> United States GDP Growth Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Secondly, I haven't verified your claims about the economies of Latvia and Poland and you provided no source/link to substantiate, but in any case, Trump said "we are considered far and away the hottest economy anywhere in the world.” By Trump's use of the word "considered", that statement refers to the OPINIONS of unknowns, not stated specifically by Trump, and is characterized by the word "hottest" which again, is speculative as to the exact meaning of that (which could be defined in a number of ways)

2. “My administration has cut more regulations in a short period of time than any other administration during its entire tenure.”

Your response fails here in 2 ways. First, "experts say" doesn't cut it as a source of information. In fact, it's not a source at all.
Secondly, seeing the context, Trump was talking about business regulations. You said >> "extensive cuts in federal rules" That could refer to a wide variety of "rules", all having nothing to do with business regulation.

That chart stops in July 2018. It is now Feb 2019. Nothing to show the missing 6 months?

 

[BULLDOG]

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.

“More people are working now than at any time in our history.”

This is misleading.
While the total number of people working in the United States is higher than ever, it is not because of the president’s policies. It is because more people than ever live in the United States.

“The border city of El Paso, Tex., used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country.”

This is false.
El Paso was never one of the most dangerous cities in the United States, and crime has been declining in cities across the country — not just El Paso — for reasons that have nothing to do with border fencing. In 2008, before border barriers had been completed in El Paso, the city had the second-lowest violent crime rate among more than 20 similarly sized cities. In 2010, after the fencing went up, it held that place.

“San Diego used to have the most illegal border crossings in our country. In response, a strong security wall was put in place. This powerful barrier almost completely ended illegal crossings.”

This is misleading.
Border apprehensions decreased by 91 percent in the San Diego sector between the 1994 fiscal year, right after the original border fencing was completed, to the 2018 fiscal year. But, according to the Congressional Research Service, that fence alone “did not have a discernible impact” on the number of immigrants crossing the border into the United States illegally.

“As we speak, large, organized caravans are on the march to the United States.”

This is exaggerated.
At the end of January, a new caravan of thousands of migrants from Central America was headed north, and some of the travelers said they intended to try to cross into the United States. But many in the caravan have said they plan to remain in Mexico, thanks in part to policies put in place by the new Mexican government. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has made it easier for Central Americans to get visas and work in Mexico. President Trump’s warnings of an imminent invasion from new caravans is overstated.

“I hope you can pass the U.S.M.C.A. into law, so we can bring back our manufacturing jobs in even greater numbers, expanding American agriculture, protecting intellectual property, and ensuring that more cars are proudly stamped with the four beautiful words: Made in the U.S.A.”

This is exaggerated.
The revised trade deal with Canada and Mexico, known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, does include provisions that are intended to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States — like minimum wage provisions for some auto manufacturing. But some economists have said those provisions could ultimately push more manufacturing — and jobs — outside North America. The deal does allow American farmers to sell more dairy products to Canada. But the trade pact has yet to be approved by Congress, and both Democrats and Republicans say that is unlikely to happen without significant changes.

“We had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth.”

This is false.
In an interview last month, Gov. Ralph Northam said that he supported a late-term abortion bill that would loosen restrictions on the procedure, and allow women to consult with a doctor on an abortion up to, but not including, the time of birth.

The governor, a pediatric neurologist, also talked about some of the dangerous medical emergencies that pregnant women could face, such as carrying a nonviable fetus. He said that in such a case, the mother would deliver the infant and then, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” While Mr. Northam was talking about an end-of-life care discussion in the case of a child that would not live, Republicans seized on his remarks as evidence that Mr. Northam supported killing babies after their birth.

3. “We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started."

link?

 

[protectionist]

That chart stops in July 2018. It is now Feb 2019. Nothing to show the missing 6 months?

Go to the trading economics website, and it states to February 2019. The dates are for 6 month intervals. So, the 3.4% GDP is July 2018 and extending to January 2017. Notice the vertical lines on the chart, as they are the beginning of a horizontal rectangle, representing 6 months time.

Also, 2019 stats would not be valid for illustration, because of the shutdown.

 

[protectionist]

link?

It's YOUR statement - YOU provide the link.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's certainly the purpose of the investigations. Clearly, good news for America is bad news for the Democrats while Trump is in the WH. The whole agenda of the Democratic Party is gridlock and trash talk about the President. But basically I agree with you that the Democrats will fail to block progress.

The investigations are generating criminal convictions of key members of Trumps staff.
Everything to date has been done by Republicans themselves. Now, Dems will be able to dig
Lot of dirt there

As you say, the only thing the Democrats bring to the House is gridlock and trash talk, and that's very sad.

House Republicans whitewashed their investigation of Trump and blocked key witnesses and evidence from being heard

Now we will see what Republicans didn’t want us to see

What we will see is that the Democrats have nothing to bring to the House but gridlock and trash talk. Very sad.

Investigations.....trump and his criminal enterprise have remained unchecked for two years....while the complicit repubs drooled at his every lie...

So you believe Mueller is a complete failure?

 

[beautress]

Here is my take: That was one sympathy-sucking SOTU to not investigate and indict and/or impeach Trump.

It was lame of him to claim America can’t be great if it investigates him

That's certainly the purpose of the investigations. Clearly, good news for America is bad news for the Democrats while Trump is in the WH. The whole agenda of the Democratic Party is gridlock and trash talk about the President. But basically I agree with you that the Democrats will fail to block progress.

The investigations are generating criminal convictions of key members of Trumps staff.
Everything to date has been done by Republicans themselves. Now, Dems will be able to dig
Lot of dirt there

This is a partisan movement directed at eliminating the people's choice in the election for President of 2016, and not for reasons of justice, either. They've had two years to find wrongdoing, nothing is there: TIME'S UP!!!

Hardly a partisan movement

Trumps campaign was involved in some questionable actions. There was also severe interference from the Russians. An independent investigation was warranted

If you think two years is too long, did you also complain about Republican investigations of Whitewater, Benghazi and emails that went over five years ?

The lawyering that is going on on that level? The very lawyers making "findings" were reversed in the past 10 years later in another similar case when more facts came out. The Democrats put them up to this one, hoping they will get the same rotten result. I don't think that's going to happen this go-round. Dumb things that got undone in the courts in the past? People eventually catch on, Mr.too far left to be a rightwinger.

 

[beautress]

You can read more if you like:

Mr. Trump said that America is the largest crude oil producer in the world and that production has hit a record high.

This is true.

The United States has been the largest producer of oil and gas in the world since 2013, a trend that began under the Obama administration thanks in large part to advances in shale drilling techniques.

Mr. Trump claimed nearly 5 million people have been lifted off food stamps.

This is exaggerated.

The number of Americans in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program decreased by more than 3.5 million between February 2017 — Mr. Trump’s first full month in office — to September 2018, according to the latest available data. By comparison, the number of people receiving the aid decreased by 5 million from June 2015 to January 2017.

Mr. Trump said that Ralph Northam, the embattled governor of Virginia, said he would execute a baby after it was born.

This is false.

In an interview last month, Governor Northam said that he supported a late-term abortion bill that would loosen restrictions on the procedure, and allow women to consult with a doctor on an abortion up to, but not including, the time of birth.

The governor, a pediatric neurologist, also talked about some of the dangerous medical emergencies that pregnant women could face, such as carrying a nonviable fetus. He said that in such a case, the mother would deliver the infant and then, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” While Mr. Northam was talking about an end-of-life care discussion in the case of a child that would not live, Republicans seized on his remarks as evidence that Mr. Northam supported killing babies after their birth.

Mr. Trump said his administration is holding talks with several groups in Afghanistan, including the Taliban.

This is true.

Mr. Trump said that American forces last month killed one of the leaders of the 2000 bombing of the naval destroyer Cole.

This is true.

Mr. Trump said that American troops have been “fighting in the Middle East for almost 19 years.”

This is false.

American troops deployed to Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001, to begin Operation Enduring Freedom — the American military and NATO mission to rid Afghanistan of Al Qaeda. But Afghanistan is not technically considered part of the Middle East — it is in southwest Asia. The United States invaded Iraq, which is in the Middle East, in March 2003 — nearly 16 years ago.

Mr. Trump said that lawmakers in New York cheered the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s womb moments before birth.

This is misleading.

On Jan. 22, the 46th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat of New York, signed the Reproductive Health Act, which ensures a woman’s right to an abortion in New York if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned. It does not broadly allow abortions until shortly before birth, as Mr. Trump suggested. Instead, it will allow for an abortion after 24 weeks to protect the mother’s health or if the fetus is not viable. Under the prior law, abortions were allowed after 24 weeks only if the woman’s life was in jeopardy.

Fact Checking the 2019 State of the Union Address

Northam, a pediatric neurosurgeon, told Washington radio station WTOP. "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

We are talking about a non viable infant being cared for

Quote: "We are talking about a non viable infant being cared for"
​

Oh, the irony of shifting sands.

 

[Rambunctious]

People loved the speech.....played golf today and people were talking about it all day.....Nice going Mr. President...

 

[XponentialChaos]

"Please help me. I tricked a bunch of retards into believing that Mexico would pay for it. And I don't want to look stupid when they realize I swindled them."

Maybe you should join The Mexican Police in Riot Gear helping to defend our border and theirs.

Maybe you should donate your own money to the wall if you want it to so bad.

Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage

Why shouldn't you pay for it?

Why would I voluntarily spend money on something I don't want?

 

[Slyhunter]

Prove it, that the left wants real socialism

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'As described'?



I don't play by your spin and / or BS games.

AOC wants to add approx. $42+ TRILLION in new debt in the next 10 years - $10+ Trillion in infrastructure/Green energy and approx. $35 Trillion for 'Medicare for all' after stripping millions of Americans of their already-existing health insurance to replace it with a govt-run 1-size-fits-all program that will result in long waits for inadequate care and health care rationing by the govt.
-- These have pretty much ruled the headlines the last week

As I said above, Americans can SEE for themselves the BS these 2 are pushing just by looking at Venezuela today!

+ Quo

It seems like every single time I call you one one of your hyper-partisan ignorant quotes, you say the same thing, such as "I don't play by your spin and / or BS games."
If you are going to say something as factual, you had better back yourself up. But, that's not the game you want to play. You just want to post something, anything, as fact. when it isn't.
That is pure bull shit.
Fifteen years ago, I was post on The Atlantic's forum. If a poster stated something as fact but couldn't back it up, they were banned. Now clowns like you, say anything they want, without an ounce of fact. In a court of law, that would be perjury.

But he spoke the truth, they reported those numbers on Fox news, guess you were busy watching MSNBC. If they're not true and you know they are not true then you must have facts proving their not true.

 

[XponentialChaos]

"Please help me. I tricked a bunch of retards into believing that Mexico would pay for it. And I don't want to look stupid when they realize I swindled them."

Maybe you should join The Mexican Police in Riot Gear helping to defend our border and theirs.

Maybe you should donate your own money to the wall if you want it to so bad.

Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage

I'll tell you what. You start arguing that Planned Parenthood should be defunded and people who want to pay for other people's abortions can start a go fund me account and I'lll take you seriously.

Clown.

Why would I do that when I can just trick a bunch of retards into thinking that Mexico will pay for Planned Parenthood?

 

[protectionist]

Why would I voluntarily spend money on something I don't want?

Because it's something you NEED.

 

[protectionist]

Why would I do that when I can just trick a bunch of retards into thinking that Mexico will pay for Planned Parenthood?

Are you one of the dupes who Democrats have tricked into believing that Mexico won't ultimately pay for the wall ?

 

[skye]

This was one of the best SOTU speech ever!

If not the very best!!!

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Tell me, what did we get for that extra 1.48 trillion added to the national debt? did we spend it fixing infrastructure? what did we get for it?

Are we talking about the $1 Trillion failed NON-Shovel-Ready Obama Stimulus Bill that contained over $7,000 pieces of DNC-Only self-party-serving pork that ended up costing US tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have saved / created....that failed to keep unemployment below 9% like he promised....

OR are we talking about tax dollars Trump and the GOP has spent that has resulted in:
- The strongest economy in decades
- The lowest economy in decades
- The lowest minority employment in recorded history
- The most # of Americans working at 1 time
- Jobs Obama said would never come back to the US back
- Higher wages, raises, bonuses, & increased opportunities
- A record # of Americans off Welfare/Food Stamps/ etc...
- Record Consumer Confidence
- Record Stock Market
- Better trade deals for Americans
- No more govt/Dems dependence - more independence
- NATO paying their fair share for their defense
- US hostages returned without paying ransoms
- NO defense of/aiding/assisting/arming/funding terrorists
- No more dragging the US into wars to help terrorists

So, you think it is government spending that is responsible for:

- The strongest economy in decades
- The lowest economy in decades
- The lowest minority employment in recorded history
- The most # of Americans working at 1 time
- Jobs Obama said would never come back to the US back
- Higher wages, raises, bonuses, & increased opportunities
- A record # of Americans off Welfare/Food Stamps/ etc...
- Record Consumer Confidence
- Record Stock Market


Well, that explains why you are such a statist. It all make sense now.

The results of the Trump Presidency, having successfully accomplished more in 2 years than Obama was able to in 8, speaks for itself.

You would have American believe, like Obama tries to do, that the President who gave up on trying to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and told Americans to accept their being gone forever as 'the new norm' is somehow responsible for those same manufacturing jobs coming back and for the economic turn around we now have.....

Such a belief / declaration defies the facts, common sense, and sanity!

It proves YOU are a lying, Trump-Hating, indoctrinated, easily emotionally-manipulated Socialist Democrat Obama-pologist BOOB to whom it is a complete waste of time talking to.

I have never given Obama credit for anything but fucking up the healthcare system worse than it was.

You though give Trump and the government credit for every good thing that happens in this country.

It is amazing the things that you statist will give the government credit for.

I have never seen such love and devotion to the government as I see in you

Trump exposed the outright corruption of the deep state

That is HUGE !!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tell me, what did we get for that extra 1.48 trillion added to the national debt? did we spend it fixing infrastructure? what did we get for it?

Are we talking about the $1 Trillion failed NON-Shovel-Ready Obama Stimulus Bill that contained over $7,000 pieces of DNC-Only self-party-serving pork that ended up costing US tax payers approx. $774,000 PER JOB Obama claimed to have saved / created....that failed to keep unemployment below 9% like he promised....

OR are we talking about tax dollars Trump and the GOP has spent that has resulted in:
- The strongest economy in decades
- The lowest economy in decades
- The lowest minority employment in recorded history
- The most # of Americans working at 1 time
- Jobs Obama said would never come back to the US back
- Higher wages, raises, bonuses, & increased opportunities
- A record # of Americans off Welfare/Food Stamps/ etc...
- Record Consumer Confidence
- Record Stock Market
- Better trade deals for Americans
- No more govt/Dems dependence - more independence
- NATO paying their fair share for their defense
- US hostages returned without paying ransoms
- NO defense of/aiding/assisting/arming/funding terrorists
- No more dragging the US into wars to help terrorists

So, you think it is government spending that is responsible for:

- The strongest economy in decades
- The lowest economy in decades
- The lowest minority employment in recorded history
- The most # of Americans working at 1 time
- Jobs Obama said would never come back to the US back
- Higher wages, raises, bonuses, & increased opportunities
- A record # of Americans off Welfare/Food Stamps/ etc...
- Record Consumer Confidence
- Record Stock Market


Well, that explains why you are such a statist. It all make sense now.

The results of the Trump Presidency, having successfully accomplished more in 2 years than Obama was able to in 8, speaks for itself.

You would have American believe, like Obama tries to do, that the President who gave up on trying to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and told Americans to accept their being gone forever as 'the new norm' is somehow responsible for those same manufacturing jobs coming back and for the economic turn around we now have.....

Such a belief / declaration defies the facts, common sense, and sanity!

It proves YOU are a lying, Trump-Hating, indoctrinated, easily emotionally-manipulated Socialist Democrat Obama-pologist BOOB to whom it is a complete waste of time talking to.

I have never given Obama credit for anything but fucking up the healthcare system worse than it was.

You though give Trump and the government credit for every good thing that happens in this country.

It is amazing the things that you statist will give the government credit for.

I have never seen such love and devotion to the government as I see in you

Trump exposed the outright corruption of the deep state

That is HUGE !!!

There is no deep state, and nothing has changed under Trump...pull you head out of his ass and get some oxygen to your brain