Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[Coyote]

No one is trying to change your opinion - I think we all realize the futility of that.

 

[ChrisL]

Sorry that you all are such angry people and have such a difficult time accepting my opinions. Not really my problem though. I'm just a person here posting like anyone else. In fact, I would say there are MUCH more controversial people posting much more controversial things than that they think fat people are not attractive, amirite? Lol.

No one's angry.

Well it sure seems like you would rather talk about my opinions on fat people and are extremely bothered by them. I don't care what your opinions are on fat people. You can think they are beautiful. It affects me not at all, and MY opinion doesn't affect you. We aren't dating. Lol.

Discussing your opinions is not "anger" - it's discussion - you aren't that important. This is a messageboard and if you post your opinions, expect to have them challanged.

Right, and you are challenging nothing. My opinion remains that fat is unattractive. And the facts are that it is unhealthy. MORE unhealthy than smoking cigarettes and more expensive.

And again, the emphasis is on appearance first. I think that tells us where your priorities are - like the title of your op.

That's because the title of her article was Fat and Attractive and I was watching her interview this morning. Get it yet or do you want to keep going down this useless path of . . . I don't know what. Do you want to discuss the obesity problem in America or not? Yes or no? If you want to start a thread about me and how you don't like my opinions about fat people or anything else, then you go right ahead and do that, but that is not the topic of this thread, nor was it meant to be. It is about fat people, how they look and feel unattractive and unhealthy and how those things could be changed with a little motivation and hard work.

 

[ChrisL]

Obesity is not beautiful.

and your opinion about that is what your thread is about.

your butthurt over receiving criticism about that is probably silly...

Why should I receive criticism because I don't find fat to be attractive? Why do you feel the need to criticize that? Are you the thought police? Am I not entitled to my own opinions on these matters or do they have to be in sync with your opinions?

i think it's fair to say you weren't being honest when you claimed it was about "health".

and the point was that how other people look shouldn't have given rise to a rant like the one in the o/p.

as to who is attractive and who isn't... that's a personal thing.

what i do think is what is unattractive is trying to diminish the self-esteem of others. and i don't see anything constructive in that type of effort.

Of course it's about health. One in three children is overweight or obese and many children are suffering from obesity related medical conditions at prepubescent ages. That is despicable and rises to the level of a health crisis.

once again, if you were interested in discussions about health, there was a discussion to be had. "obesity is not beautiful" and your being "tired" of hearing that fat people can be attractive isn't it.

I don't think it is beautiful. That was the opinion part. The fact part is about the health risks and problems it causes. Now what is it that you disagree with?

 

[ChrisL]

No one is trying to change your opinion - I think we all realize the futility of that.

Okay good, then you can either contribute to the topic or move along your way to bother someone else about their opinion on some other matter.

 

[ChrisL]

The facts are that skinny people are not costing us billions of dollars in related health care costs at this time in America. If that happens, I will start a thread about it. Okay?

Ah..ok...so no stigma on skinny people then?

That is not what this thread is about. It is about obesity. DO you have something to add to the topic?

Can't answer a simple question?

Nope. If you want to start a thread about skinny people then go ahead. That is not what I wanted to discuss or I would have started a thread about it.

You can't discuss obesity in a vacuum just to avoid uncomfortable questions. Obesity exists in relation to thinness.

Um no. Thin people are not costing billions of dollars in health related expenses. I think you should read some of the links I posted with facts and statistics about obesity and how serious a problem it is for us, and how it is projected to become an even worse problem in the future, as 1 in 3 children are now obese or overweight and many are suffering from obesity-related diseases, which is fucking terrible!

 

[ChrisL]

Obesity is not beautiful.

and your opinion about that is what your thread is about.

your butthurt over receiving criticism about that is probably silly...

Why should I receive criticism because I don't find fat to be attractive? Why do you feel the need to criticize that? Are you the thought police? Am I not entitled to my own opinions on these matters or do they have to be in sync with your opinions?

i think it's fair to say you weren't being honest when you claimed it was about "health".

and the point was that how other people look shouldn't have given rise to a rant like the one in the o/p.

as to who is attractive and who isn't... that's a personal thing.

what i do think is what is unattractive is trying to diminish the self-esteem of others. and i don't see anything constructive in that type of effort.

Of course it's about health. One in three children is overweight or obese and many children are suffering from obesity related medical conditions at prepubescent ages. That is despicable and rises to the level of a health crisis.

once again, if you were interested in discussions about health, there was a discussion to be had. "obesity is not beautiful" and your being "tired" of hearing that fat people can be attractive isn't it.

That's my opinion. What's it to you?

 

[ChrisL]

Obesity is not beautiful.

and your opinion about that is what your thread is about.

your butthurt over receiving criticism about that is probably silly...

Why should I receive criticism because I don't find fat to be attractive? Why do you feel the need to criticize that? Are you the thought police? Am I not entitled to my own opinions on these matters or do they have to be in sync with your opinions?

i think it's fair to say you weren't being honest when you claimed it was about "health".

and the point was that how other people look shouldn't have given rise to a rant like the one in the o/p.

as to who is attractive and who isn't... that's a personal thing.

what i do think is what is unattractive is trying to diminish the self-esteem of others. and i don't see anything constructive in that type of effort.

Of course it's about health. One in three children is overweight or obese and many children are suffering from obesity related medical conditions at prepubescent ages. That is despicable and rises to the level of a health crisis.

once again, if you were interested in discussions about health, there was a discussion to be had. "obesity is not beautiful" and your being "tired" of hearing that fat people can be attractive isn't it.

Sorry, but I don't find fat to be attractive at all. Thankfully this is a free country and I don't have to. I can also express my opinions about it and you don't have to agree. However, you seem to be very much focused on my opinion of fat people and completely ignoring the health related issues here. Why is that?

 

[Coyote]

No one's angry.

Well it sure seems like you would rather talk about my opinions on fat people and are extremely bothered by them. I don't care what your opinions are on fat people. You can think they are beautiful. It affects me not at all, and MY opinion doesn't affect you. We aren't dating. Lol.

Discussing your opinions is not "anger" - it's discussion - you aren't that important. This is a messageboard and if you post your opinions, expect to have them challanged.

Right, and you are challenging nothing. My opinion remains that fat is unattractive. And the facts are that it is unhealthy. MORE unhealthy than smoking cigarettes and more expensive.

And again, the emphasis is on appearance first. I think that tells us where your priorities are - like the title of your op.

That's because the title of her article was Fat and Attractive and I was watching her interview this morning. Get it yet or do you want to keep going down this useless path of . . . I don't know what. Do you want to discuss the obesity problem in America or not? Yes or no? If you want to start a thread about me and how you don't like my opinions about fat people or anything else, then you go right ahead and do that, but that is not the topic of this thread, nor was it meant to be. It is about fat people, how they look and feel unattractive and unhealthy and how those things could be changed with a little motivation and hard work.

I think everyone realizes that obesity is a serious medical problem - but attacking people for feeling good about themselves is not the way to address it.

 

[ChrisL]

Here is another link FYI.

Obesity in America: It’s Getting Worse

Nearly two-thirds of adult Americans are overweight or obese. Despite the attention of the health profession, the media, and the public, and mass educational campaigns about the benefits of healthier diets and increased physical activity, the prevalence of obesity in the United States has more than doubled over the past four decades.1 Add the relatively few Americans who practice the habit of regular physical activity to the many who practice the habit of “super-sizing,” and it is no revelation why this has occurred.

We have inherited our genetic makeup from our ancestors, hunters and gatherers who ate diets rich in low-fat meats and grains, who had to stalk and capture the entrée for dinner. During times of feast, their bodies were designed to store nutrients as adipose tissue to be used for fuel to survive periods of famine. We are descended from these survivors, and we share this ability to store fat when food is in overabundance. However, famines in the United States are fewer and farther between nowadays, so this added fat is not used up and continues to accumulate through the years. We no longer have to stalk and capture our dinner; we can use the drive-through.

Despite an abundance of evidence of the benefits of maintaining a healthy weight and a physically active lifestyle, we continue to eat larger portion sizes than we need and remain less physically active than we should be. Sedentary adults in the United States eat an average of 500–800 calories more per day than needed to maintain weight.2 At that rate, they will gain a pound to a pound and a half a week. Food is available everywhere, and people are bombarded with food ads. There are fewer opportunities for exercise, and in many places, no bike paths, sidewalks, or easily accessible stairways. The poor may be especially hard hit; grocery stores in low-income neighborhoods may be poorly stocked with healthy fruits and vegetables, and such neighborhoods may not be safe enough to get out and walk around in. In addition, people from all economic backgrounds often eat for social, cultural, and emotional reasons—not just for hunger.

As health care providers, we don’t know how to help our patients lose weight. Fortunately, organizations such as the American Diabetes Association (ADA) and the North American Association for the Study of Obesity (NAASO) are mounting increased educational efforts to fight the growing epidemic of obesity in this country, which confers increased risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease (CVD), and other serious comorbid conditions.

 

[Coyote]

Ah..ok...so no stigma on skinny people then?

That is not what this thread is about. It is about obesity. DO you have something to add to the topic?

Can't answer a simple question?

Nope. If you want to start a thread about skinny people then go ahead. That is not what I wanted to discuss or I would have started a thread about it.

You can't discuss obesity in a vacuum just to avoid uncomfortable questions. Obesity exists in relation to thinness.

Um no. Thin people are not costing billions of dollars in health related expenses. I think you should read some of the links I posted with facts and statistics about obesity and how serious a problem it is for us, and how it is projected to become an even worse problem in the future, as 1 in 3 children are now obese or overweight and many are suffering from obesity-related diseases, which is fucking terrible!

So no stigma on thin people? It's all about money?

 

[ChrisL]

Well it sure seems like you would rather talk about my opinions on fat people and are extremely bothered by them. I don't care what your opinions are on fat people. You can think they are beautiful. It affects me not at all, and MY opinion doesn't affect you. We aren't dating. Lol.

Discussing your opinions is not "anger" - it's discussion - you aren't that important. This is a messageboard and if you post your opinions, expect to have them challanged.

Right, and you are challenging nothing. My opinion remains that fat is unattractive. And the facts are that it is unhealthy. MORE unhealthy than smoking cigarettes and more expensive.

And again, the emphasis is on appearance first. I think that tells us where your priorities are - like the title of your op.

That's because the title of her article was Fat and Attractive and I was watching her interview this morning. Get it yet or do you want to keep going down this useless path of . . . I don't know what. Do you want to discuss the obesity problem in America or not? Yes or no? If you want to start a thread about me and how you don't like my opinions about fat people or anything else, then you go right ahead and do that, but that is not the topic of this thread, nor was it meant to be. It is about fat people, how they look and feel unattractive and unhealthy and how those things could be changed with a little motivation and hard work.

I think everyone realizes that obesity is a serious medical problem - but attacking people for feeling good about themselves is not the way to address it.

They should not feel good about being obese. Should smokers feel good about smoking? No, they should not. Obesity is more dangerous than smoking.

 

[OnePercenter]

Lotta my gf's here have been plus-sized. Think bigger girls are sexy as hell. Plus , being something of a baker it's nice to have someone willing to eat what I make.

Most fetishes have to do with ego.

 

[ChrisL]

That is not what this thread is about. It is about obesity. DO you have something to add to the topic?

Can't answer a simple question?

Nope. If you want to start a thread about skinny people then go ahead. That is not what I wanted to discuss or I would have started a thread about it.

You can't discuss obesity in a vacuum just to avoid uncomfortable questions. Obesity exists in relation to thinness.

Um no. Thin people are not costing billions of dollars in health related expenses. I think you should read some of the links I posted with facts and statistics about obesity and how serious a problem it is for us, and how it is projected to become an even worse problem in the future, as 1 in 3 children are now obese or overweight and many are suffering from obesity-related diseases, which is fucking terrible!

So no stigma on thin people? It's all about money?

Why should there be stigma on thin people who don't suffer health issues and do not cost a lot of money in health related issues and do not look unattractive?

 

[Judicial review]

Sorry that you all are such angry people and have such a difficult time accepting my opinions. Not really my problem though. I'm just a person here posting like anyone else. In fact, I would say there are MUCH more controversial people posting much more controversial things than that they think fat people are not attractive, amirite? Lol.

No one's angry.

Well it sure seems like you would rather talk about my opinions on fat people and are extremely bothered by them. I don't care what your opinions are on fat people. You can think they are beautiful. It affects me not at all, and MY opinion doesn't affect you. We aren't dating. Lol.

Discussing your opinions is not "anger" - it's discussion - you aren't that important. This is a messageboard and if you post your opinions, expect to have them challanged.

People know better than to challenge me. I'm too important.

 

[Coyote]

Discussing your opinions is not "anger" - it's discussion - you aren't that important. This is a messageboard and if you post your opinions, expect to have them challanged.

Right, and you are challenging nothing. My opinion remains that fat is unattractive. And the facts are that it is unhealthy. MORE unhealthy than smoking cigarettes and more expensive.

And again, the emphasis is on appearance first. I think that tells us where your priorities are - like the title of your op.

That's because the title of her article was Fat and Attractive and I was watching her interview this morning. Get it yet or do you want to keep going down this useless path of . . . I don't know what. Do you want to discuss the obesity problem in America or not? Yes or no? If you want to start a thread about me and how you don't like my opinions about fat people or anything else, then you go right ahead and do that, but that is not the topic of this thread, nor was it meant to be. It is about fat people, how they look and feel unattractive and unhealthy and how those things could be changed with a little motivation and hard work.

I think everyone realizes that obesity is a serious medical problem - but attacking people for feeling good about themselves is not the way to address it.

They should not feel good about being obese. Should smokers feel good about smoking? No, they should not. Obesity is more dangerous than smoking.

You're attacking people for their appearance. And telling them they should feel bad about their self-image and body.

 

[OnePercenter]

I don't think obesity or sagging earlobes are attractive, which is why I limit my dating to fit Women in their 20's.

 

[Coyote]

Can't answer a simple question?

Nope. If you want to start a thread about skinny people then go ahead. That is not what I wanted to discuss or I would have started a thread about it.

You can't discuss obesity in a vacuum just to avoid uncomfortable questions. Obesity exists in relation to thinness.

Um no. Thin people are not costing billions of dollars in health related expenses. I think you should read some of the links I posted with facts and statistics about obesity and how serious a problem it is for us, and how it is projected to become an even worse problem in the future, as 1 in 3 children are now obese or overweight and many are suffering from obesity-related diseases, which is fucking terrible!

So no stigma on thin people? It's all about money?

Why should there be stigma on thin people who don't suffer health issues and do not cost a lot of money in health related issues and do not look unattractive?

and do not look unattractive...there you go again.

Anorexia and bulimia have some serious and costly health issues associated with them. They don't look that attractive either.

 

[Programmer]

I am getting tired of hearing these obese people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement." Obesity is bad for our health, costs us billions of dollars in medical expenses and is just as bad as smoking! Encouraging obesity is like encouraging smoking or any other bad habit. Obesity is NOT fashionable and for a very good reason!

While I think the CEO's comments about obese people were rather crude, I think this woman is even worse to push such an unhealthy lifestyle. If a 10-year-old is on a diet because he or she is overweight, then that is a GOOD thing!

'Attractive & Fat' and Abercrombie controversy - CNN.com



Jes Baker is cutting retailer Abercrombie & Fitch down to size.

Baker, who blogs under the name "The Militant Baker" and wears a size 22, changed the brand's A&F logo to "Attractive & Fat" in a mock, black-and-white Abercrombie ad to challenge the line's branding efforts.

The photos come as a provocative response to contentious comments Abercrombie CEO Mike Jeffries made in a 2006 Salon article about the multibillion-dollar brand's target audience.

"In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids," Jeffries said. "Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don't belong [in our clothes], and they can't belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely."

The divisive remarks resurfaced earlier this month after a series of protests went viral, from Greg Karber's video of himself giving homeless people Abercrombie clothing to a Change.org petition for larger sizes by a teenage eating disorder survivor.

The plus-size community particularly took umbrage to the CEO's business model because the retailer currently does not offer clothes above size 10 or large for women.

"I challenge the separation of attractive and fat, and I assert that they are compatible regardless of what you believe," Baker, 26, wrote in a public letter addressed to the CEO.

Jeffries has since apologized in a statement: "While I believe this 7-year-old, resurrected quote has been taken out of context, I sincerely regret that my choice of words was interpreted in a manner that has caused offense."

Baker spoke to CNN about Jeffries' comments and her motivations to address them. The interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.

CNN: You start your letter with a preface that Jeffries' opinion "isn't shocking; millions share the same sentiment." The comments are from 2006 -- what motivated you to act on them?

Jes Baker: It really wasn't upset or outrage at all. I've been an art major for the majority of my academic life, and so I am always trying to find opportunities to do something artistic.

I just thought we don't see the juxtaposition of typical and atypical bodies in advertising specifically. Since I am a woman and I am fat and that's what I have to work with, I wanted to show that contrast by finding a male model.

Really, it just came because I wanted to not be angry about it. I wanted to not say, "This is an outrage, I've never heard of this before," but say, "OK, well, look at this. Look at how awesome this is."

And, I think when you're talking about really serious subjects, and this is kind of serious, it's important to be a little bit cheeky and pull in a little bit of humor so that it's approachable -- and it worked.

This is the new logic that comes from having so many obese people in society. It's a backlash on natural beauty. Carrying 1/3 BMI is not 'natural'.

 

[Sgt_Gath]

Generally speaking, no. Fat is not sexy.

Some women are built to carry a bit more weight, and can actually look fairly good that way. However, by the same token, it's usually pretty obvious when they're not, and therefore don't.

The whole "fat is sexy" movement doesn't take that into account... Like, at all. It's basically just a lot of P.C. hogwash meant to make people with unhealthy lifestyles feel better about themselves.

What they really need to do is to change those lifestyles.

 

[ChrisL]

Right, and you are challenging nothing. My opinion remains that fat is unattractive. And the facts are that it is unhealthy. MORE unhealthy than smoking cigarettes and more expensive.

And again, the emphasis is on appearance first. I think that tells us where your priorities are - like the title of your op.

That's because the title of her article was Fat and Attractive and I was watching her interview this morning. Get it yet or do you want to keep going down this useless path of . . . I don't know what. Do you want to discuss the obesity problem in America or not? Yes or no? If you want to start a thread about me and how you don't like my opinions about fat people or anything else, then you go right ahead and do that, but that is not the topic of this thread, nor was it meant to be. It is about fat people, how they look and feel unattractive and unhealthy and how those things could be changed with a little motivation and hard work.

I think everyone realizes that obesity is a serious medical problem - but attacking people for feeling good about themselves is not the way to address it.

They should not feel good about being obese. Should smokers feel good about smoking? No, they should not. Obesity is more dangerous than smoking.

You're attacking people for their appearance. And telling them they should feel bad about their self-image and body.

If they are obese, they should feel bad. They are lazy unmotivated people who are basically telling us, hey, I'm satisfied with sitting on my lard arse all day eating junk food and I'm not going to make an attempt to become more healthy, and YOU all are going to pay for it. Lol.

These people are NO different from the smokers you all denigrate and say it's a disgusting habit. So is obesity. It is no less disgusting and no less unhealthy than smoking. Period.