Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[ChrisL]

It seems odd that people seem to be focusing in on my opinion of fat people rather than the HORRIBLE statistics and realities of the situation.

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

What is the title of your thread?

Obesity is not beautiful.

 

[Judicial review]

Chris - brain fart

 

[ChrisL]

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

Beauty is completely subjective.

And? That means I am entitled to think that obese people are unattractive. Correct?

Of course. It also means others are entitled to think obese people are attractive.

You can. I don't. I don't find anything attractive about it at all. Sorry.

 

[Esmeralda]

I agree with the premise.
Its like the way society treats transsexuals. It is NOT normal.

False analogy.

 

[ChrisL]

It seems odd that people seem to be focusing in on my opinion of fat people rather than the HORRIBLE statistics and realities of the situation.

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

 

[Coyote]

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

Yup. I don't find it attractive at all in any way. And the facts are that it is unhealthy.

The way in which you word things is interesting. You throw "health" in as an afterthought but emphasize appearance. Appearances are superficial. It's the person inside that matters. Can you bring yourself to look beyond the outer shell or do you just keep judging them (as morally deficient and lazy) based on appearance?

 

[Papageorgio]

you obviously agree or you wouldn't have created the rant in the o/p.

we're bringing you back to reality.

Rant? It's not a rant. It's just facts. I posted the statistics. What are you arguing about? My opinion on how fat people look? What does that matter?

No disrespect however, you stated that Obesity is not Beautiful. You made it matter.

Am I not entitled to my opinion about obesity? To me it is not beautiful at all. Like I said, if people want to be offended over my opinions, that's fine. It really makes no difference to me. If they are going to try to attack me over my opinions that is another issue entirely.

Im not attacking you over your opinion, I simply stated mine. Then you went on about health care costs. That doesn't have anything to do with looks.

I don't care what others do with their personal life, or their looks. I'd never get a tattoo, most of them are ugly to me. However, even with the added health risks of tattoos, it's up to the person and their choice.

Obesity in some instances is not a choice. But it is not my place to say either way. Live and let live.

The OP is about both things, but the more worrisome thing is the costs to the American people. Shall I post more links to support my statements? I've already said many times earlier that this is not about people who cannot help being obese for some reason. The facts are that is not why most people are overweight or obese. Most are that way because of poor diet/nutrition and lack of exercise.

The cost doesn't matter to me. We support so many other poor lifestyles that cost billions, why just single out one and why this one?

 

[jillian]

that's the truth.

if she wanted to raise the health issue, perhaps there was a way to do that. but it seems people get offended when health is encouraged. they melt down when schools are made to provide healthier lunches. they got upset when they thought they couldn't get 30 ounces of sugar water at their local 7 Eleven, etc.

so the rant is a rant about people's looks. in that regard her reaction is pretty off the charts. i can't imagine being that fired up over something like that to create that kind of o/p.

There is no rant, so I don't know what your problem is. I want to discuss the issue of obesity in America. If you can't handle that . . . there's the door. Bye!

i'm sorry you can't tolerate that your o/p is simply a rant about the fact that fat women's looks offend you. and more than a couple of us are making the same observation. so if you left the wrong impression, that's on you, i'd say.

but no, i don't have any reason not to post. if you can't handle comments, maybe you should step away from the computer. i was being as polite to you as i could under the circumstances. *shrug*

Well if I couldn't tolerate it, I wouldn't ever be going out of my house. I don't need to step away from the computer. This forum is to express ourselves and our opinions on topics. If you don't like my opinion, that is really not my issue. It affects me in no way whatsoever actually.

you started a thread that said "obesity is not beautiful"

you did not say "obesity is unhealthy"

you said how you're "tired" of people saying that fat people can be beautiful.

and then went on for how many words about how unattractive fat people are.

and you're whining that we're saying you really shouldn't care about how people look but that a discussion about health could have been had.

it just wasn't the discussion you started.

communication skills are important.

Because I had just got done watching an interview on television with a woman who was claiming that fat is attractive.

not having watched what you'd watch, i'd think that she was encouraging fat people not to engage in self-loathing and self-hatred.

are you aware that the more accepting of themselves a fat person is, the easier it becomes for them to manage their weight and the healthier they become.

a positive body image is important. and weight isn't the only criteria for feeling good about oneself or being attractive.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

Beauty is completely subjective.

And? That means I am entitled to think that obese people are unattractive. Correct?

Of course. It also means others are entitled to think obese people are attractive.

Of course, you can start a thread saying that obesity is beautiful if you wish, but this is my thread and I am expressing MY opinions. Got it?

 

[Coyote]

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

For a long time, the fashion statement has been (and still is) an unhealthy skinnyness that goes hand in hand with anorexia. Seeing more full figured women out there is a good thing.

 

[ChrisL]

There is no rant, so I don't know what your problem is. I want to discuss the issue of obesity in America. If you can't handle that . . . there's the door. Bye!

i'm sorry you can't tolerate that your o/p is simply a rant about the fact that fat women's looks offend you. and more than a couple of us are making the same observation. so if you left the wrong impression, that's on you, i'd say.

but no, i don't have any reason not to post. if you can't handle comments, maybe you should step away from the computer. i was being as polite to you as i could under the circumstances. *shrug*

Well if I couldn't tolerate it, I wouldn't ever be going out of my house. I don't need to step away from the computer. This forum is to express ourselves and our opinions on topics. If you don't like my opinion, that is really not my issue. It affects me in no way whatsoever actually.

you started a thread that said "obesity is not beautiful"

you did not say "obesity is unhealthy"

you said how you're "tired" of people saying that fat people can be beautiful.

and then went on for how many words about how unattractive fat people are.

and you're whining that we're saying you really shouldn't care about how people look but that a discussion about health could have been had.

it just wasn't the discussion you started.

communication skills are important.

Because I had just got done watching an interview on television with a woman who was claiming that fat is attractive.

not having watched what you'd watch, i'd think that she was encouraging fat people not to engage in self-loathing and self-hatred.

are you aware that the more accepting of themselves a fat person is, the more easy it becomes for them to manage their weight and the healthier they become.

a positive body image is important. and weight isn't the only criteria for feeling good about oneself or being attractive.

I think that deluding people into thinking that they look good when they are incredibly overweight is not healthy in any way and not helpful at all.

 

[Judicial review]

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

Yup. I don't find it attractive at all in any way. And the facts are that it is unhealthy.

The way in which you word things is interesting. You throw "health" in as an afterthought but emphasize appearance. Appearances are superficial. It's the person inside that matters. Can you bring yourself to look beyond the outer shell or do you just keep judging them (as morally deficient and lazy) based on appearance?

Exactly. Chris I'd keep pushing because I want to see what Coyote is capable of.

 

[ChrisL]

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

For a long time, the fashion statement has been (and still is) an unhealthy skinnyness that goes hand in hand with anorexia. Seeing more full figured women out there is a good thing.

The facts are that skinny people are not costing us billions of dollars in related health care costs at this time in America. If that happens, I will start a thread about it. Okay?

 

[ChrisL]

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

Yup. I don't find it attractive at all in any way. And the facts are that it is unhealthy.

The way in which you word things is interesting. You throw "health" in as an afterthought but emphasize appearance. Appearances are superficial. It's the person inside that matters. Can you bring yourself to look beyond the outer shell or do you just keep judging them (as morally deficient and lazy) based on appearance?

Exactly. Chris I'd keep pushing because I want to see what Coyote is capable of.

Hey, I can't help it if people get worked up over my personal opinions on subjects. That's more their problem the way I see it. I don't let stuff like that bother me. Besides this is just a stupid forum with a bunch of wackos.

 

[Alex.]

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

It is a fashion statement to some and that is their business. When weight controls a person's life there are other issues that must be dealt with including why weight would be such a prominent issue.

 

[Coyote]

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

Yup. I don't find it attractive at all in any way. And the facts are that it is unhealthy.

The way in which you word things is interesting. You throw "health" in as an afterthought but emphasize appearance. Appearances are superficial. It's the person inside that matters. Can you bring yourself to look beyond the outer shell or do you just keep judging them (as morally deficient and lazy) based on appearance?

Exactly. Chris I'd keep pushing because I want to see what Coyote is capable of.

 

[ChrisL]

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

It is a fashion statement to some and that is their business. When weight controls a person's life there are other issues that must be dealt with including why weight would be such a prominent issue.

I'm not controlling anyone's life. I started a thread on a forum for discussion purposes.

 

[Coyote]

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

For a long time, the fashion statement has been (and still is) an unhealthy skinnyness that goes hand in hand with anorexia. Seeing more full figured women out there is a good thing.

The facts are that skinny people are not costing us billions of dollars in related health care costs at this time in America. If that happens, I will start a thread about it. Okay?

Ah..ok...so no stigma on skinny people then?

 

[ChrisL]

Sorry that you all are such angry people and have such a difficult time accepting my opinions. Not really my problem though. I'm just a person here posting like anyone else. In fact, I would say there are MUCH more controversial people posting much more controversial things than that they think fat people are not attractive, amirite? Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.

Yup. got a problem with that? Obesity should never be a fashion statement. It is just unhealthy and unattractive.

For a long time, the fashion statement has been (and still is) an unhealthy skinnyness that goes hand in hand with anorexia. Seeing more full figured women out there is a good thing.

The facts are that skinny people are not costing us billions of dollars in related health care costs at this time in America. If that happens, I will start a thread about it. Okay?

Ah..ok...so no stigma on skinny people then?

That is not what this thread is about. It is about obesity. DO you have something to add to the topic?