Obamacare saves seniors $569 each year

[Luddly Neddite]

Hit reply too soon. Also wanted to ask ...

How is getting a refund from my insurance premiums "socialist"?

We have top of the line health care insurance and just a fat refund. Is THAT your definition of "socialist"?

Are you saying you would send it back?

Didn't think so.

 

[Vel]

Health care law changing behavior

Another biggie that just went into effect is the Medical Loss Ratio rule.

Under the new rules, insurers must spend at least 80 percent of the money they take in from insurance premiums (less taxes and fees) toward providing health care to their customers. If they don't spend that percentage, insurers will now be required to send rebates back to the people paying the premiums

Why You Should Care About The 'Medical Loss Ratio' - National - The Atlantic Wire

So you basically now have the federal government telling private businesses what they can spend on business overhead and how much profit they are allowed to make. Tell me, should the government be able to do that with restaurants, construction companies, retail stores and other endeavors?

 

[Seawytch]

Health care law changing behavior

Another biggie that just went into effect is the Medical Loss Ratio rule.

Under the new rules, insurers must spend at least 80 percent of the money they take in from insurance premiums (less taxes and fees) toward providing health care to their customers. If they don't spend that percentage, insurers will now be required to send rebates back to the people paying the premiums

Why You Should Care About The 'Medical Loss Ratio' - National - The Atlantic Wire

So you basically now have the federal government telling private businesses what they can spend on business overhead and how much profit they are allowed to make. Tell me, should the government be able to do that with restaurants, construction companies, retail stores and other endeavors?

They are requiring that the money you pay goes mostly to insuring YOU and not to gold plated sinks in the executive restrooms.

The other businesses you listed aren't anything akin to health insurance...which shouldn't be a "for profit" industry to begin with.

 

[Rozman]

Great! $569 whopping dollars! That'll buy about five cases of Depends. Last time I checked, an abulance ride for Gramps to the hospital was $730

The left throws out these numbers like they are supposed to impress people.
The payroll tax cut which the left are all in a tizzy about gives us an extra $18-$20 a week...
Please stop it already...

 

[Avorysuds]

So it was asked but I don't have it in me to read the whole thread to see if it was answered... So where did these "savings" come from... Did the Government cover it by chance?

 

[Vel]

Another biggie that just went into effect is the Medical Loss Ratio rule.

Under the new rules, insurers must spend at least 80 percent of the money they take in from insurance premiums (less taxes and fees) toward providing health care to their customers. If they don't spend that percentage, insurers will now be required to send rebates back to the people paying the premiums

Why You Should Care About The 'Medical Loss Ratio' - National - The Atlantic Wire

So you basically now have the federal government telling private businesses what they can spend on business overhead and how much profit they are allowed to make. Tell me, should the government be able to do that with restaurants, construction companies, retail stores and other endeavors?

They are requiring that the money you pay goes mostly to insuring YOU and not to gold plated sinks in the executive restrooms.

The other businesses you listed aren't anything akin to health insurance...which shouldn't be a "for profit" industry to begin with.

Let's deal with what "is" rather than what you think "should be". If the government can tell a health insurance company how much profit they are allowed to make or how much they can spend on employees or other overhead, then they can tell any other business how to allocate their money. Why not grocery stores? After all, food is essential. Clothing stores? I mean, you can't have people running around naked can you? What about property management companies. Everyone needs a place to live. Why should health insurance be any different than anything else? Do you really not realize the slippery slope that you're stepping out onto ?

 

[Rozman]

Health care law changing behavior

How anyone can put a negative spin on this is beyond me.

After all.......Obama must fail

And the left wanted Bush to succeed....
Yeh that's a hot one.

I'm waiting for...we want him to fail because he's black.
Haven't heard that one in like ten minutes....

 

[Trajan]

All quotes are from Trajan.............

you are having a comprehension issue? what did I just say and what have I told you , oh 1 times before?

there will be a constricted plan/prgm. for me, how many times do you need to read the same thing? digest it for god sakes.

It will be what it will be. But it's not nearly as bad as you and the pols make out.

Social Security Isn't Broke, But We Still Ought to Fix It - DailyFinance

you told me your wife was a teacher on a pesnion, so its a private pension?

No I didn't. You need to brush up on YOUR reading comphrension as well. She pays into her pension (probably more than you) but she is NOT collecting yet. If you can show me any post where I said she was collecting I will apologize for misleading you. If you can't then admit you were wrong.

yes and I will but I don't hold out any hopes of getting it, I see it as maybe a 30-40% recovery. And unlike you I don’t have my head up my union owned arse.

Now why are you making personal attacks and insults? I thought we were having a great debate. As for whether or not it will be there see my above link.

and because I will have spent more years as a private employee and my wife always has and will be a private industry employee, we will be well set , and due to that your masters will means test us out and we will be paying cash for what we need medical treatment/care etc., so bloodsuckers like you can glom up more of your betters money that we were PROMISED via that bogus insurance scam - medicare.

Oh so you WON'T be "one of the bloodsuckers" glomming up money via medicare? If you say no you're either stupid or lying.

As I have stated any times I work for a public utility and it's an Independant Power Producer so I think that would be a private employer and it's certainly NOT the government. And since I have been doing it over 30 years I most likely have more years (maybe many more) than you.

Medicare is having some problems but again, it's not as bad as you make it out to be. And it must be doing fairly well or you would see this from the polls......

Poll: Tea Party Voters Oppose Cuts To Medicare, Social Security | ThinkProgress

GOP voters: Don’t cut Medicare or Social Security, AARP Florida poll finds - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com

Poll: Six In Ten Oppose GOP’s Medicare Privatization Plan | TPMDC

Poll: Taxing the rich favored over Medicare cuts - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

So it's good to see that your opinions are counter to what most of America wants and believes. Thank God!!

you have a comprehension problem, I am not sure which , either you are truly, well, dumb or just obtuse and willfully so. This is like the third time I have explained the means test issue to you.

and who in the hell mentioned SSI? now you can add that to the list if you like, but yes that window is wider as in how long it will take to exhaust that.

medicare is "having some problems"....'oh yeah like oh tis but a scratch'.

and your polls and articles don't ask follow up questions or they forgo them when crafting their 'articles'.



here- read, learn;




Survey Says: Keynes Is Dead
A new Reason-Rupe poll finds that Americans are willing to cut spending of all kinds, even in times of crisis.

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As more than one observer has pointed out, calling for reduced government spending is one thing, while showing a willingness to sacrifice your own entitlements is another. The trillions of dollars required to keep promises made by Medicare and Social Security in the coming decades make stimulus outlays look like pocket change. With rare exceptions, politicians will tell you that Americans have no stomach for entitlement cuts. This analysis is bolstered by poll after poll showing everyone from Tea Partiers to Teamsters unwilling to consider substantial reform. But Americans aren’t really so universally opposed to tackling entitlements. Pollsters have just been asking the wrong questions.

The Reason-Rupe poll finds that most Americans are actually open to reform of Social Security and Medicare—as long as they can get back the money they have already paid into the system. In fact, 61 percent would be willing to see cuts in their own current or future Social Security benefits, and 59 percent would accept cuts in their Medicare benefits, under a system where they are guaranteed to get back what they and their employers have already contributed.

The poll calibrated these results by asking the standard questions first: Would respondents be willing to have their current or future Social Security benefits reduced as part of a plan to balance the federal budget? Congruent with other polls, 57 percent of Americans opposed that. Asked a similar question about Medicare, 51 percent were opposed.

But unlike other polls, Reason-Rupe did not stop there. Follow-up questions probed conditions under which Americans would be willing to accept cuts in their benefits, asking about a scenario where beneficiaries were still guaranteed to receive at least the amount of money they have kicked in. That’s when the results flipped, with about 60 percent open to cuts in their payouts from Social Security and Medicare.

you can access the article and the poll here-
Survey Says: Keynes Is Dead - Reason Magazine