The SAVE America Act is dead

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, it doesn't.

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.


In reference to why they included the provision for "places of choosing Senators" it was to avoid choosing a single place to vote and everyone being required to travel there.

When the Constitution was written the state legislatures chose the Senators. Congress could not dictate where the state legislature would meet.

 

[Bitterhook]

When the Constitution was written the state legislatures chose the Senators. Congress could not dictate where the state legislature would meet.

Correct

 

[Natural Citizen]

They did try to limit the government, and the Federalist Papers explained some of the difficulties they had with that.
They argued extensively over certain concerns, and some barely made it into the finished product.

However, it would be careless to assume James Madison was not aware of what he was doing and the consequences thereof, but rather he was not going to allow that to become an excuse to do nothing.

For instance, a free person does not need to be told they are free and merely exercises their liberties at their own will.

The anti-federalists have been proven correct in their predictions over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

Read those papers pleez...

 

[Natural Citizen]

So that is to say that the only real, meaningful attempt to limit the federal government was made by the anti-federalists of the time.

 

[Bitterhook]

The anti-federalists have been proven correct in their predictions over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

Read those papers pleez...

There is a stark difference between the inevitable coming true and providing nothing as a better option that will succeed in passing and being ratified or that will produce a better result.

But you are correct.
Reading and understanding while remaining mission oriented can be beneficial.
There is very little they did not provide us the opportunity to change if we think we know any better or are any better at it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is a stark difference between the inevitable coming true and providing nothing as a better option that will succeed in passing and being ratified or that will produce a better result.

The omnipotent majority rules, unfortunately. As much today as then. Sucks that the majority is always wrong, though. It never thinks outside of the little box. Only saving grace about it is who really fukin needs em anyway. But that's as much as I have to say about that.
I mention the anti-federalists in passing when given that the Fedralist works were referenced, particularly in the tenor of limiting government.

But you are correct.
Reading and understanding while remaining mission oriented can be beneficial.

There is no broad mission. The remnant is just as equally outnumbered today as it was then. So, basically live free or die is where truth meets the road. It is a choice. One does not require a federal force to do that. **** the majority, they can keep chasing the ball around. That's no way to live.

There is very little they did not provide us the opportunity to change if we think we know any better or are any better at it.

Let it burn. It's the only way the majority will ever learn.

The remnant will survive...

 

[Bitterhook]

The omnipotent majority rules, unfortunately. As much today as then. Sucks that the majority is always wrong, though. It never thinks outside of the little box. Only saving grace about it is who really fukin needs em anyway. But that's as much as I have to say about that.
I mention the anti-federalists in passing when given that the Fedralist works were referenced, particularly in the tenor of limiting government.



There is no broad mission. The remnant is just as equally outnumbered today as it was then. So, basically live free or die is where truth meets the road. It is a choice. One does not require a federal force to do that. **** the majority, they can keep chasing the ball around. That's no way to live.



Let it burn. It's the only way the majority will ever learn.

The remnant will survive...

When you create a Federal Government it requires you grant it some power, or it is completely meaningless in its creation.

As afra s any remnant or, all I require is deciding which direction to go, and doing whatever I need to do to get there.
Of course, that doesn't mean that I have to ignore the efforts of others and pretend that will somehow provide a better understanding.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Anywy, if any casual passers-by are interested reading the anti-federalst works, read the seven volume one. That's the most complete compilation (1981)

The anti-federalists of that time were not an ''organized'' faction in the manner that the Federalists were. And it's that exact same way today, getting bac k to my thought there in the previous posting.

And, so, they were pretty much relegated and many of their works remain lost.

And, so, we get what we have now...

 

[Bitterhook]

Anywy, if any casual passers-by are interested reading the anti-federalst works, read the seven volume one. That's the most complete compilation (1981)

The anti-federalists of that time were not an ''organized'' faction in the manner that the Federalists were. And it's that exact same way today, getting bac k to my thought there in the previous posting.

And, so, they were pretty much relegated and many of their works remain lost.

And, so, we get what we have now...

Precisely, and everything we have had the opportunity to discuss under the conditions we are in was provided by people who actually made the sacrifice and did something with their accomplishments.

Otherwise, it is a possibility that we would just be another Canada or Australia. if they hadn't.
However, some folks could say we pretty much are, while I know how we aren't and that is a benefit I hate watching slip away.

And mainly because people would rather argue than truly understand anything.

 

[Natural Citizen]

When you create a Federal Government it requires you grant it some power, or it is completely meaningless in its creation.

Of course it ''requires.'' It's force. That's what government is. Government ''means'' force.

As afra s any remnant or, all I require is deciding which direction to go, and doing whatever I need to do to get there.

Of course. That's why I mentioned about it being choice previously.

Of course, that doesn't mean that I have to ignore the efforts of others and pretend that will somehow provide a better understanding.

There's really not much to understand.

 

[Bitterhook]

Of course it ''requires.'' It's force. That's what government is. Government ''means'' force.



Of course. That's why I mentioned about it being choice previously.



There's really not much to understand.

To govern is to limit.
And there only not much to understand if one is foolish enough to think they actually know everything.

 

[Natural Citizen]

To govern is to limit.

Yes, and government is force, like I said.

And there only not much to understand if one is foolish enough to think they actually know everything.

Bullshit. Do better...

Also, I'm hungry, so I'm bailing out this dive for now.

 

[22lcidw]

It is not normal for man to have freedoms. When having them, they give it up.

 

[struth]

Shock the dems will filibuster SAVING America

 

[WorldWatcher]

Shock the dems will filibuster SAVING America

Using Heritage Foundation Number an analysis was done on fraud rates in states.

How many Citizens votes should be suppressed to eliminate fraud the occures in 10's over the courses of decades with 10's of millions of votes cast?

10's, 100's, 1000's, maybe Millions?

WW

How widespread is election fraud in the United States? Not very | Brookings

In swing states, reported cases of voter fraud amounts to less than 1%.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Bitterhook]

Yes, and government is force, like I said.


Bullshit. Do better...

Also, I'm hungry, so I'm bailing out this dive for now.

Not necessarily force because governing can come from many sources.
You can bail you if you desire but I have a few minutes left to actually explain myself.

Many people limit their understanding in attempts to nail things down when that can be beneficial in making a choice.
However, that is still a matter of how they choose to govern their activities, their course, and their understanding.

It can be more beneficial towards understanding when one unfolds the opportunities, investigates alternative avenues and relinquishes the desire to accept the simplest answer as the only answer in order to conform to their desires or simply defend their existing position.

Knowledge is one thing, but useless if one cannot do anything with it.
Understanding is what allows knowledge to become useful, and that is a matter of governing or management,

Management or governing in whatever form it exists is tied to anchors to achieve success in one of three conditions, and they are "Man versus Nature", "Man versus Man", and "Man versus Himself". It's always a competition but doesn't always require force.

In fact, the better one can do it without force, the better one may be at management and most likely the result of understanding.
Any inability to surpass what one's understanding has allowed them, is just failure in the lack of a desire to seek more and successfully achieve it.

Government and management can exist in many forms and is only limited as required by the capabilities of the person(s) attempting to establish it (whether through their own chosen shortcomings and desire to quit, or simply conditions they have yet to conquer).

Thanks for the opportunity to share ideas, and now back to our regularly scheduled programming (in every sense of the word).

 

[Bitterhook]

It is not normal for man to have freedoms. When having them, they give it up.

That would be sad.

 

[JWBooth]

Let it burn. It's the only way the majority will ever learn.

The remnant will survive...

This

 

[Bitterhook]

This

Same here, only I am not starting it, and going to do my best to be in remnant that survives.
See ya on the other side, being hopefully optimistic.

 

[Robert W]

Federal elections?

Not in charge, but able to set bare minimum standards.

But to do that would require a Constitutional amendment.

Democrats are not funny at all. First, they want the Feds totally in charge (see Obama) then they change their minds and don't want this at all. What did they want during Biden?