Obamacare= Romneycare

[DiamondDave]

Mutually agreeable plan....

NOT POSSIBLE when people believe that the government has no business at all in the health care business....

Again.... you can put all the candies you want on a turd.... no matter if they are my favorite candies or not, you're not going to get me to agree to eat your turd

 

[goldcatt]

The Political Carnival: GOP Waterloo

They said it themselves that they wanted it to be Obamas waterloo.

They never intended to help the American people they only watned to hurt Obama and the dems chances in the next election.

Now even Rs like Frum are saying the Rs created their own waterloo.

The GOP plan was to humiliate the President and show that he could not accomplish what he had promised. In using a Gingrich like, bite off your nose to spite your face....The GOP ended up with nothing.

They ended up with a major victory for President Obama and now "Obamacare" is now a major accomplishment.

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

 

[Truthmatters]

The curious triumph of RomneyCare - The Week

the essence of this reform -- which is that the insurance market has been restructured to remove those adverse-selection and moral-hazard problems that have broken our private insurance-based health-financing system. Americans are now being asked not to shirk their responsibilities but rather to act like adults: to take on the burden, to the extent they are financially able, of making sure that when they wind up at the hospital the cost of paying for their care is not loaded onto somebody else's shoulders.
The conservative DNA of ObamaCare is hardly a secret. "The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan,” Frum wrote. “It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994."

So why are none of the talking heads on your TV screen and none of the op-ed writers in your newspaper talking about how this health plan is a big victory for Mitt Romney and Republican policy analysts? Because there has been a conspiracy of silence among those working for the bill and those working against it.

no, it's probably because romneycare is doing now to mass what obamcare wuill do to the country- breaking the budget and overtaxing the health care delivery system. here in mass, premiums are going up ahead of the national average, waits for PCPs are a year or more and ER usage fpr non-emergency care has NOT dropped even though we have 96%+ coverage.

why would anyone on either side of the issue tout this as a victory?

It could not be that the insurance industry is punishing your state for trying to steal "their" customers now can it?

 

[del]

The curious triumph of RomneyCare - The Week

the essence of this reform -- which is that the insurance market has been restructured to remove those adverse-selection and moral-hazard problems that have broken our private insurance-based health-financing system. Americans are now being asked not to shirk their responsibilities but rather to act like adults: to take on the burden, to the extent they are financially able, of making sure that when they wind up at the hospital the cost of paying for their care is not loaded onto somebody else's shoulders.
The conservative DNA of ObamaCare is hardly a secret. "The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan,” Frum wrote. “It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994."

So why are none of the talking heads on your TV screen and none of the op-ed writers in your newspaper talking about how this health plan is a big victory for Mitt Romney and Republican policy analysts? Because there has been a conspiracy of silence among those working for the bill and those working against it.

no, it's probably because romneycare is doing now to mass what obamcare wuill do to the country- breaking the budget and overtaxing the health care delivery system. here in mass, premiums are going up ahead of the national average, waits for PCPs are a year or more and ER usage fpr non-emergency care has NOT dropped even though we have 96%+ coverage.

why would anyone on either side of the issue tout this as a victory?

It could not be that the insurance industry is punishing your state for trying to steal "their" customers now can it?

no. try again, but try to be less obviously stupid this time.

thanks

 

[Claudette]

Come on Claudette, we are trying to have a reasonable discussion here. Show me a single Republican who said "If these two ammendments are added to the bill, I will vote for it"
During the Healthcare Summit, President Obama openly offered to the republicans that he would work to add their concerns to the bill if they agreed to vote for it.

Their response was "Tear it up and start over"

Yeah. LIke that wasn't a big dog and pony show.

Obama had no intention of doing anything the Reps proposed. You know it and I know it. Jeeze.

This bill sucks big time.

It was a big dog and pony show. Its intent was to demonstrate to the American people that President Obama was willing to work with the GOP to gain bipartisan support. The Republicans responded exactly as expected and showed all Americans that they were unwilling to back off their talking points and work to get a mutually agreeable plan.

Oh Please. .

It was a demonstration to the American people that Ol'BO could cover his ass.

He could and did say. "Hey. I met with the Reps and listened to what they had to say".

Did he take any of their suggestions. Nope. Was he ever going to. Nope.

They should tear ups the bs bill and start over and put some real reform in it.

 

[rightwinger]

The Political Carnival: GOP Waterloo

They said it themselves that they wanted it to be Obamas waterloo.

They never intended to help the American people they only watned to hurt Obama and the dems chances in the next election.

Now even Rs like Frum are saying the Rs created their own waterloo.

The GOP plan was to humiliate the President and show that he could not accomplish what he had promised. In using a Gingrich like, bite off your nose to spite your face....The GOP ended up with nothing.

They ended up with a major victory for President Obama and now "Obamacare" is now a major accomplishment.

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

 

[goldcatt]

The GOP plan was to humiliate the President and show that he could not accomplish what he had promised. In using a Gingrich like, bite off your nose to spite your face....The GOP ended up with nothing.

They ended up with a major victory for President Obama and now "Obamacare" is now a major accomplishment.

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

 

[California Girl]

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

Damned fine comment, Gold.

 

[rightwinger]

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

More right wing fear mongering. It does work

- Bans exclusion because of pre-existing conditions
- Bans annual and lifetime caps on coverage
- Opens up competition by allowing small businesses to form insurance pools
- Requires coverage of young adults up to age 26 under their parents plans

These reforms should have been passed thirty years ago and are long overdue

 

[Truthmatters]

Yeah. LIke that wasn't a big dog and pony show.

Obama had no intention of doing anything the Reps proposed. You know it and I know it. Jeeze.

This bill sucks big time.

It was a big dog and pony show. Its intent was to demonstrate to the American people that President Obama was willing to work with the GOP to gain bipartisan support. The Republicans responded exactly as expected and showed all Americans that they were unwilling to back off their talking points and work to get a mutually agreeable plan.

Oh Please. .

It was a demonstration to the American people that Ol'BO could cover his ass.

He could and did say. "Hey. I met with the Reps and listened to what they had to say".

Did he take any of their suggestions. Nope. Was he ever going to. Nope.

They should tear ups the bs bill and start over and put some real reform in it.

Then how do you explain that some of the Rs ideas they gave him were in his bill?

 

[Truthmatters]

You're right about the Repubs. But what came out is unfortunately not an accomplishment to be proud of. Oh sure, passing it makes the Dems look tougher and will probably help with the average semi-aware centrist voter in November. But valuing short term personal gain and tactics over long term substance by ALL parties - politicians, business, the people - is what got us into this mess in the first place and will continue to keep us down.

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

And every time it has been attempted the republicans tore it to shreds rather than do anything.

This is a backbone my friend and now you will see the flesh added to this bill over the next few years.

FACE THIS FACT!

The democrats in this congress have just done what no one was able to do in Decades. Its called healthcare reform.

Your party lost.

The American people have gained.

 

[goldcatt]

Thats exactly the point. This bill will be with us for the long term. Rather than work to make it better, the Republican strategists chose to use it as a vehicle for short term gains in 2010. "We will make this Obama's Waterloo" backfired big time

In the end, it is a net loss for the GOP

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

More right wing fear mongering. It does work

- Bans exclusion because of pre-existing conditions
- Bans annual and lifetime caps on coverage
- Opens up competition by allowing small businesses to form insurance pools
- Requires coverage of young adults up to age 26 under their parents plans

These reforms should have been passed thirty years ago and are long overdue

It's been a while since I've been called a right winger.

Yep, and by doing all that and funnelling it through the private for-profit corporation it's forcing an unsustainable business model on them. For which they will be well compensated using taxpayer funds, of course. And instead of a not for profit entity or a public option we are now going to be doing the least cost effective thing possible, which is funnelling public money through a for-profit private entity and attempting to oversee its operations without jeopardizing their ability to meet their legal obligations to the stockholders. It's a corporate gravy train.

In other words, this was not the solution - just what they could ram through in time to capitalize on. That's about as cynical as it gets. The GOP acted like spoiled kids on the playground, but the Dems were no better.

 

[rightwinger]

Nah, long term it's a net loss for everybody involved. You can't try to fit a round peg into a square hole, prop it up with corporate welfare and call it reform. And when it doesn't work it will be decades before anyone will have the guts to try for real honest to goodness outside the box reform again. That's what happens when people in and out of positions of power focus on politics instead of governance. Everybody loses in the end.

More right wing fear mongering. It does work

- Bans exclusion because of pre-existing conditions
- Bans annual and lifetime caps on coverage
- Opens up competition by allowing small businesses to form insurance pools
- Requires coverage of young adults up to age 26 under their parents plans

These reforms should have been passed thirty years ago and are long overdue

It's been a while since I've been called a right winger.

Yep, and by doing all that and funnelling it through the private for-profit corporation it's forcing an unsustainable business model on them. For which they will be well compensated using taxpayer funds, of course. And instead of a not for profit entity or a public option we are now going to be doing the least cost effective thing possible, which is funnelling public money through a for-profit private entity and attempting to oversee its operations without jeopardizing their ability to meet their legal obligations to the stockholders. It's a corporate gravy train.

In other words, this was not the solution - just what they could ram through in time to capitalize on. That's about as cynical as it gets. The GOP acted like spoiled kids on the playground, but the Dems were no better.

You take what you can get. Stand by for phase 2

 

[goldcatt]

More right wing fear mongering. It does work

- Bans exclusion because of pre-existing conditions
- Bans annual and lifetime caps on coverage
- Opens up competition by allowing small businesses to form insurance pools
- Requires coverage of young adults up to age 26 under their parents plans

These reforms should have been passed thirty years ago and are long overdue

It's been a while since I've been called a right winger.

Yep, and by doing all that and funnelling it through the private for-profit corporation it's forcing an unsustainable business model on them. For which they will be well compensated using taxpayer funds, of course. And instead of a not for profit entity or a public option we are now going to be doing the least cost effective thing possible, which is funnelling public money through a for-profit private entity and attempting to oversee its operations without jeopardizing their ability to meet their legal obligations to the stockholders. It's a corporate gravy train.

In other words, this was not the solution - just what they could ram through in time to capitalize on. That's about as cynical as it gets. The GOP acted like spoiled kids on the playground, but the Dems were no better.

You take what you can get. Stand by for phase 2

And hope the house of cards can stand until (and IF) it gets passed. Way to think ahead.

 

[boedicca]

Romneycare is nearing bankrtuptcy - that's worked out really well for MA.

Obamacare will be worse - there's no one left to bail us out.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Romneycare is nearing bankrtuptcy - that's worked out really well for MA.

Obamacare will be worse - there's no one left to bail us out.

I've been saying this for weeks. Even posted the numbers but no one cares especially the dimocrats that only care about getting someone else to pay their way.