Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

[The Irish Ram]

Wow! What a master plan by Obama! And when he rolled this out before the election it clobbered Trump and led to the most lob-sided victory in American history with Hillary getting almost 70% of the vote!

Wait..... that didn't happen? Obama unleashed this masterful, brilliant plan AFTER the election?

Oh no. They didn't wait. There was nothing to roll. Then or now.

And, , pretty soon Hillary will have gotten 100% of the votes and still lost, just like 7 scientists believed global warming, that turned into 97% by the time Obama was done with it.

 

[BlackFlag]

Wow! What a master plan by Obama! And when he rolled this out before the election it clobbered Trump and led to the most lob-sided victory in American history with Hillary getting almost 70% of the vote!

Wait..... that didn't happen? Obama unleashed this masterful, brilliant plan AFTER the election?

Oh no. They didn't wait. There was nothing to roll. Then or now.

And, , pretty soon Hillary will have gotten 100% of the votes and still lost, just like 7 scientists believed global warming, that turned into 97% by the time Obama was done with it.

Nothing in your post is grounded in reality.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

I believe you should read this over to get some of your facts straight, rather than pontificating off the cuff!
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/myth_vs_fact_fisa.pdf

 

[Siete]

the truth isnt immune to RW hack/spin/horseshit .... theres actually enough idiots on the planet to buy it.

 

[Syriusly]

Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

With new information coming from the Don Jr emails we now have a clearer picture of how Obama used his loyalists in the FBI to wiretap and conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign. Let us go step by step to see exactly how this was set up. It is actually quite brilliant.

The Bait

In essence Obama needed something to give the FBI an excuse to wiretap the Trump campaign. Enter Natalia. The Russian lawyer that Don Jr met who had information that was supposed to be "straight from the Kremlin". Please note that this loyal agent of mother Russia who has been entrusted with its deepest, darkest secrets regarding the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton in Russia had anti - Trump rants in her facebook page. Wait a minute? I thought the Russians loved Trump and wanted him to win? Why would their chosen agent post messages like this? Why would their agent be against Trump? I thought Russia was dying for him to win. It is also strange that the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton during the investigation and requested that specific terminology be used to describe the investigation, gave an exception for this russian spy to get in the country.

This would never hold up in open court but the Obama administration never expected it to get that far. They were arranging things for Clinton to win after all. All that mattered is that it gave the FBI justification to request for a FISA warrant. Please note that the Russian narrative is only a bonus. The Obama administration expected to be successful in fixing the election. The primary reason for the trap is the justification for the FISA warrant. The Russia thing only became useful when they lost.

The Trap

As mentioned earlier the evidence would never hold up in open court but the FISA court is not an open one. It is a secret court which acts as a rubber stamp to give intelligence agencies a veneer of accountability when conducting surveillance on American citizens. It has only declined 11 out of the 35000 requests it has received. Despite this Obama had to file 2 requests and have them rejected before they shopped around for a friendly judge to give them authorization to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Spoils

Once you have the authorization to spy on the opposing campaign all that is left is to analyze and disseminate the information. To facilitate this two things have to be achieved. First the information should be as easy as possible to understand and second as many people as possible should be able to see the information as possible. The Obama administration achieved this by changing the rules to allow as many people as possible would have the opportunity to see and leak the documents and by having Susan Rice request to unmask the documents.

Three simple steps and you can use the FBI to wiretap your political opponents. Step 1: Have one of your friendly operatives in another government meet with the opposing campaign. Step 2: Have that agent present no useful information but use the meeting to trigger a FISA request. Step 3: Have you administration leak the results both to the press and your parties campaign.

At least Nixon had the decency to use criminals.

Thank you for your step by step speculation- meanwhile- once again- Obama didn't order any wire tap of Trump.

 

[Syriusly]

Wow! What a master plan by Obama! And when he rolled this out before the election it clobbered Trump and led to the most lob-sided victory in American history with Hillary getting almost 70% of the vote!

Wait..... that didn't happen? Obama unleashed this masterful, brilliant plan AFTER the election?

pretty soon Hillary will have gotten 100% of the votes and still lost, just like 7 scientists b

LOL- pretty soon Trump will be proclaiming he won the popular vote by 1 billion votes- it was just all of those 500 million illegal votes that were cast for Hillary........

 

[miketx]

Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

With new information coming from the Don Jr emails we now have a clearer picture of how Obama used his loyalists in the FBI to wiretap and conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign. Let us go step by step to see exactly how this was set up. It is actually quite brilliant.

The Bait

In essence Obama needed something to give the FBI an excuse to wiretap the Trump campaign. Enter Natalia. The Russian lawyer that Don Jr met who had information that was supposed to be "straight from the Kremlin". Please note that this loyal agent of mother Russia who has been entrusted with its deepest, darkest secrets regarding the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton in Russia had anti - Trump rants in her facebook page. Wait a minute? I thought the Russians loved Trump and wanted him to win? Why would their chosen agent post messages like this? Why would their agent be against Trump? I thought Russia was dying for him to win. It is also strange that the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton during the investigation and requested that specific terminology be used to describe the investigation, gave an exception for this russian spy to get in the country.

This would never hold up in open court but the Obama administration never expected it to get that far. They were arranging things for Clinton to win after all. All that mattered is that it gave the FBI justification to request for a FISA warrant. Please note that the Russian narrative is only a bonus. The Obama administration expected to be successful in fixing the election. The primary reason for the trap is the justification for the FISA warrant. The Russia thing only became useful when they lost.

The Trap

As mentioned earlier the evidence would never hold up in open court but the FISA court is not an open one. It is a secret court which acts as a rubber stamp to give intelligence agencies a veneer of accountability when conducting surveillance on American citizens. It has only declined 11 out of the 35000 requests it has received. Despite this Obama had to file 2 requests and have them rejected before they shopped around for a friendly judge to give them authorization to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Spoils

Once you have the authorization to spy on the opposing campaign all that is left is to analyze and disseminate the information. To facilitate this two things have to be achieved. First the information should be as easy as possible to understand and second as many people as possible should be able to see the information as possible. The Obama administration achieved this by changing the rules to allow as many people as possible would have the opportunity to see and leak the documents and by having Susan Rice request to unmask the documents.

Three simple steps and you can use the FBI to wiretap your political opponents. Step 1: Have one of your friendly operatives in another government meet with the opposing campaign. Step 2: Have that agent present no useful information but use the meeting to trigger a FISA request. Step 3: Have you administration leak the results both to the press and your parties campaign.

At least Nixon had the decency to use criminals.

Not a bad theory at all!

theory wont keep The Cartel from having their ass handed to them.

when? 2024?

 

[flacaltenn]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

Please keep in mind it does not matter if the excuses are shot down now. All you need is for one FISA court judge to approve them during the campaign. It doesnt matter what happens afterwards.

The FISA was found to have SLAPPED both the NSA and the Obama Admin for abusing the blanket 702 Domestic Warrants and unmaskings. That document was FOIA 'd out about a month ago by Circa. A GREAT investigative group in a sea of useless journalistic mental midgets.

So NOBODY has EVER produced a separate FISA warrant for these "investigations". The people need to SEE it -- if it exists.. BECAUSE of the magnitude of abuse in Domestic Spying..

 

[flacaltenn]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

 

[Siete]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

like I said, its on record, spin it like you want to... you're opinion is totally irrelevant

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

With new information coming from the Don Jr emails we now have a clearer picture of how Obama used his loyalists in the FBI to wiretap and conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign. Let us go step by step to see exactly how this was set up. It is actually quite brilliant.

The Bait

In essence Obama needed something to give the FBI an excuse to wiretap the Trump campaign. Enter Natalia. The Russian lawyer that Don Jr met who had information that was supposed to be "straight from the Kremlin". Please note that this loyal agent of mother Russia who has been entrusted with its deepest, darkest secrets regarding the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton in Russia had anti - Trump rants in her facebook page. Wait a minute? I thought the Russians loved Trump and wanted him to win? Why would their chosen agent post messages like this? Why would their agent be against Trump? I thought Russia was dying for him to win. It is also strange that the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton during the investigation and requested that specific terminology be used to describe the investigation, gave an exception for this russian spy to get in the country.

This would never hold up in open court but the Obama administration never expected it to get that far. They were arranging things for Clinton to win after all. All that mattered is that it gave the FBI justification to request for a FISA warrant. Please note that the Russian narrative is only a bonus. The Obama administration expected to be successful in fixing the election. The primary reason for the trap is the justification for the FISA warrant. The Russia thing only became useful when they lost.

The Trap

As mentioned earlier the evidence would never hold up in open court but the FISA court is not an open one. It is a secret court which acts as a rubber stamp to give intelligence agencies a veneer of accountability when conducting surveillance on American citizens. It has only declined 11 out of the 35000 requests it has received. Despite this Obama had to file 2 requests and have them rejected before they shopped around for a friendly judge to give them authorization to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Spoils

Once you have the authorization to spy on the opposing campaign all that is left is to analyze and disseminate the information. To facilitate this two things have to be achieved. First the information should be as easy as possible to understand and second as many people as possible should be able to see the information as possible. The Obama administration achieved this by changing the rules to allow as many people as possible would have the opportunity to see and leak the documents and by having Susan Rice request to unmask the documents.

Three simple steps and you can use the FBI to wiretap your political opponents. Step 1: Have one of your friendly operatives in another government meet with the opposing campaign. Step 2: Have that agent present no useful information but use the meeting to trigger a FISA request. Step 3: Have you administration leak the results both to the press and your parties campaign.

At least Nixon had the decency to use criminals.

I dunno, I don't Obama is that smart.. He wears blinder on any issue unless it has the word "black" in it.

 

[flacaltenn]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

I believe you should read this over to get some of your facts straight, rather than pontificating off the cuff!
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/myth_vs_fact_fisa.pdf

That's all horseshit. Depends on people's stupidity to make it SOUND nice. But it's written in weasel words. Like --

ALLEGATION: Section 702 allows NSA to collect all of the Internet-based communications flowing to or from the United States. 
TRUTH: Section 702 collection can only be directed against specific foreign targets outside the United States. It does not allow for bulk collection.

Don't NEED the fucking PATRIOT Act to "intercept I-Net comm. flowing to or from the US". Relying on general public stupidity here. Because NSA ALWAYS HAD WARRANTLESS permission to do that as part of their regular "FOREIGN surveillance" programs.

In fact, Snowden enlightened us all about how easy it was to snoop DOMESTIC I-Net comm. All they have to do is to have google RELAY the days stored content over to their MIRROR SITES in England and France overnight. Once that's done, the NSA could paw thru it relentlessly..

And OBVIOUSLY that documents' reliance on the FISA is unfounded. Since the FISA court could not get compliance from the previous Admin or NSA.

They make it sound like 702 Surveillance has the ACLU "Seal of Approval".. When in FACT, the ACLU is waging Holy Legal Jihad on those provisions.

It's Crap. Stinky mounds of crap..

 

[flacaltenn]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

like I said, its on record, spin it like you want to... you're opinion is totally irrelevant

My opinion MAY be irrelevant to you. But it's backed by serving in these areas. While YOUR opinion most times doesn't have any points that actually mean anything at all.

Go point to any assertions I've made that are NOT correct..

 

[Siete]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

like I said, its on record, spin it like you want to... you're opinion is totally irrelevant

My opinion MAY be irrelevant to you. But it's backed by serving in these areas. While YOUR opinion most times doesn't have any points that actually mean anything at all.

Go point to any assertions I've made that are NOT correct..

sure my opinion is irrelevant, never said it wasnt ...if you arent currently serving in these areas and dont have a government security clearance, you may believe youre relevant ... if thats what it takes to get you through the day on an internet message board by all means continue.

 

[tsuke]

Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

With new information coming from the Don Jr emails we now have a clearer picture of how Obama used his loyalists in the FBI to wiretap and conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign. Let us go step by step to see exactly how this was set up. It is actually quite brilliant.

The Bait

In essence Obama needed something to give the FBI an excuse to wiretap the Trump campaign. Enter Natalia. The Russian lawyer that Don Jr met who had information that was supposed to be "straight from the Kremlin". Please note that this loyal agent of mother Russia who has been entrusted with its deepest, darkest secrets regarding the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton in Russia had anti - Trump rants in her facebook page. Wait a minute? I thought the Russians loved Trump and wanted him to win? Why would their chosen agent post messages like this? Why would their agent be against Trump? I thought Russia was dying for him to win. It is also strange that the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton during the investigation and requested that specific terminology be used to describe the investigation, gave an exception for this russian spy to get in the country.

This would never hold up in open court but the Obama administration never expected it to get that far. They were arranging things for Clinton to win after all. All that mattered is that it gave the FBI justification to request for a FISA warrant. Please note that the Russian narrative is only a bonus. The Obama administration expected to be successful in fixing the election. The primary reason for the trap is the justification for the FISA warrant. The Russia thing only became useful when they lost.

The Trap

As mentioned earlier the evidence would never hold up in open court but the FISA court is not an open one. It is a secret court which acts as a rubber stamp to give intelligence agencies a veneer of accountability when conducting surveillance on American citizens. It has only declined 11 out of the 35000 requests it has received. Despite this Obama had to file 2 requests and have them rejected before they shopped around for a friendly judge to give them authorization to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Spoils

Once you have the authorization to spy on the opposing campaign all that is left is to analyze and disseminate the information. To facilitate this two things have to be achieved. First the information should be as easy as possible to understand and second as many people as possible should be able to see the information as possible. The Obama administration achieved this by changing the rules to allow as many people as possible would have the opportunity to see and leak the documents and by having Susan Rice request to unmask the documents.

Three simple steps and you can use the FBI to wiretap your political opponents. Step 1: Have one of your friendly operatives in another government meet with the opposing campaign. Step 2: Have that agent present no useful information but use the meeting to trigger a FISA request. Step 3: Have you administration leak the results both to the press and your parties campaign.

At least Nixon had the decency to use criminals.

I dunno, I don't Obama is that smart.. He wears blinder on any issue unless it has the word "black" in it.

obama is very smart.

Take a look at all his deals like paris and iran. THey are things you cannot say no to because of massive up front benefits to the other party but delays anything the US may get and ties it with non-enforceable clauses.

Perfect for media consumption.

 

[flacaltenn]

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

like I said, its on record, spin it like you want to... you're opinion is totally irrelevant

My opinion MAY be irrelevant to you. But it's backed by serving in these areas. While YOUR opinion most times doesn't have any points that actually mean anything at all.

Go point to any assertions I've made that are NOT correct..

sure my opinion is irrelevant, never said it wasnt ...if you arent currently serving in these areas and dont have a government security clearance, you may believe youre relevant ... if thats what it takes to get you through the day on an internet message board by all means continue.

Frankly, given the abuse of the Patriot Act and the Big Brother system YOU bought for the NSA in Utah, --- I'm pretty sure I wouldn't WANT to serve under those conditions today.

We did FINE for ENTIRE Cold War and the following 30 years WITHOUT a Domestic Spying program led by world's EXPERTS in electronic spying. It should be put BACK in the box before the ABUSE multiplies.. Or you're not gonna have a Republic in America much longer. Little advice from a guy who DID serve in those areas... That's not a PARTISAN warning. If you CARE about your country -- you better wipe the post election crying snot off your face and start DEMANDING stuff of substance from the 2 party Power Whores in charge.

 

[Ted Frazier]

Obama Wiretapped Trump: Step by Step

With new information coming from the Don Jr emails we now have a clearer picture of how Obama used his loyalists in the FBI to wiretap and conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign. Let us go step by step to see exactly how this was set up. It is actually quite brilliant.

The Bait

In essence Obama needed something to give the FBI an excuse to wiretap the Trump campaign. Enter Natalia. The Russian lawyer that Don Jr met who had information that was supposed to be "straight from the Kremlin". Please note that this loyal agent of mother Russia who has been entrusted with its deepest, darkest secrets regarding the misdeeds of Hillary Clinton in Russia had anti - Trump rants in her facebook page. Wait a minute? I thought the Russians loved Trump and wanted him to win? Why would their chosen agent post messages like this? Why would their agent be against Trump? I thought Russia was dying for him to win. It is also strange that the attorney general, who met with Bill Clinton during the investigation and requested that specific terminology be used to describe the investigation, gave an exception for this russian spy to get in the country.

This would never hold up in open court but the Obama administration never expected it to get that far. They were arranging things for Clinton to win after all. All that mattered is that it gave the FBI justification to request for a FISA warrant. Please note that the Russian narrative is only a bonus. The Obama administration expected to be successful in fixing the election. The primary reason for the trap is the justification for the FISA warrant. The Russia thing only became useful when they lost.

The Trap

As mentioned earlier the evidence would never hold up in open court but the FISA court is not an open one. It is a secret court which acts as a rubber stamp to give intelligence agencies a veneer of accountability when conducting surveillance on American citizens. It has only declined 11 out of the 35000 requests it has received. Despite this Obama had to file 2 requests and have them rejected before they shopped around for a friendly judge to give them authorization to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Spoils

Once you have the authorization to spy on the opposing campaign all that is left is to analyze and disseminate the information. To facilitate this two things have to be achieved. First the information should be as easy as possible to understand and second as many people as possible should be able to see the information as possible. The Obama administration achieved this by changing the rules to allow as many people as possible would have the opportunity to see and leak the documents and by having Susan Rice request to unmask the documents.

Three simple steps and you can use the FBI to wiretap your political opponents. Step 1: Have one of your friendly operatives in another government meet with the opposing campaign. Step 2: Have that agent present no useful information but use the meeting to trigger a FISA request. Step 3: Have you administration leak the results both to the press and your parties campaign.

At least Nixon had the decency to use criminals.

Presidents don't wiretap.

 

[Siete]

no wiretaps were aimed directly at Trump.. his Cartel just stumbled into surveillance when key words triggered an alarm ... its all on record... spin it anyway you want to.

No sorry.. No key word triggers. Those were TASKED operations. You need approval to even PULL a transcript like the 40 or 50 that got distributed WIDELY because Obama OPENED up the number of folks cleared into that level of surveillance data.

And then --- what level of APPROVAL lets' you Leak that Ultra Secret intercepted commun. to the WashPo and the NY Times without going to Levenworth??

like I said, its on record, spin it like you want to... you're opinion is totally irrelevant

My opinion MAY be irrelevant to you. But it's backed by serving in these areas. While YOUR opinion most times doesn't have any points that actually mean anything at all.

Go point to any assertions I've made that are NOT correct..

sure my opinion is irrelevant, never said it wasnt ...if you arent currently serving in these areas and dont have a government security clearance, you may believe youre relevant ... if thats what it takes to get you through the day on an internet message board by all means continue.

Frankly, given the abuse of the Patriot Act and the Big Brother system YOU bought for the NSA in Utah, --- I'm pretty sure I wouldn't WANT to serve under those conditions today.

We did FINE for ENTIRE Cold War and the following 30 years WITHOUT a Domestic Spying program led by world's EXPERTS in electronic spying. It should be put BACK in the box before the ABUSE multiplies.. Or you're not gonna have a Republic in America much longer. Little advice from a guy who DID serve in those areas... That's not a PARTISAN warning. If you CARE about your country -- you better wipe the post election crying snot off your face and start DEMANDING stuff of substance from the 2 party Power Whores in charge.

I vote. Thats the only way I can voice my opinion with any relevant outcome.

and I refuse to lose my valuable snot over politics.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

no wire taps ... sorry

Surveillance Intelligence WAS used in that storm of a ONE HUNDRED leaks attributed to "anonymous high level intelligence sources".. That's where it all came from. So there WAS SURVEILLANCE. Even Susan Rice and Clapper ACKNOWLEDGE that. But they are lying when they said they had warrants. They had a BLANKET warrant under the PATRIOT Act 702 provision. But that's only SUPPOSED to cover domestic terrorism. Which is also a big lie. Because it HAS been used in other criminal investigations.

Don't be a denier. One party used the powers of the State and ABUSED Domestic Surveillance to spy on their opposition. They needed a huge EXCUSE to do that.

HOWEVER -- the OP is not completely right. This meeting was only ONE excuse for them to conduct their Intel insurgencies. There are many other EXCUSES. MOST of which are shot down by now. So they keep PUMPING EXCUSES so that the spying can be argued as justified..

I believe you should read this over to get some of your facts straight, rather than pontificating off the cuff!
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/myth_vs_fact_fisa.pdf

That's all horseshit. Depends on people's stupidity to make it SOUND nice. But it's written in weasel words. Like --

ALLEGATION: Section 702 allows NSA to collect all of the Internet-based communications flowing to or from the United States. 
TRUTH: Section 702 collection can only be directed against specific foreign targets outside the United States. It does not allow for bulk collection.

Don't NEED the fucking PATRIOT Act to "intercept I-Net comm. flowing to or from the US". Relying on general public stupidity here. Because NSA ALWAYS HAD WARRANTLESS permission to do that as part of their regular "FOREIGN surveillance" programs.

In fact, Snowden enlightened us all about how easy it was to snoop DOMESTIC I-Net comm. All they have to do is to have google RELAY the days stored content over to their MIRROR SITES in England and France overnight. Once that's done, the NSA could paw thru it relentlessly..

And OBVIOUSLY that documents' reliance on the FISA is unfounded. Since the FISA court could not get compliance from the previous Admin or NSA.

They make it sound like 702 Surveillance has the ACLU "Seal of Approval".. When in FACT, the ACLU is waging Holy Legal Jihad on those provisions.

It's Crap. Stinky mounds of crap..

The horseshit is flowing from your keyboard asshole! There is one Hell of a difference between the wholesale collection of Metadata the Bush administration got caught doing in late 2005 as revealed by the NYTimes. That type of crap John Yoo had such huge influence on back then was rectified in the 2008 FISA amendments. All you've got is a hodgepodge of talking points mixed with tribal lore from those living in a bunker in Idaho, lad!

You've got two different memes conflated and blissfully ignorant of where the fuck your ass is! If you don't like that Permanent Select House Intelligence Committee paper I cited then blame the ignorant no good bastards in the GOP dominated House Select intel committee who wrote the damn thing you IDIOT! All I did was try to set you straight with facts to mull over rather than watch you carry more water for the propagandists and other lying scums! Don't want to change, get Scum Supporter tattooed on your forehead!

AGAIN DUMMY;
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/myth_vs_fact_fisa.pdf

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Just think how much faster this investigation would go if there really had been "wiretaps" on these gazillions of meetings and contacts with Russians.



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