Obama calls Al-Qaeda today the "jayvee" version..

[healthmyths]

Invading an oil rich Arab Nation that was not involved in the attacks of 9-11was exactly what bin Laden was hoping President Bush would do.

Right! Bush played right into Bin Laden's hands right?
No mind there were 28 million people freed from a drill/plier wielding dictator that used oil money for palaces while 2.7 million would have starved!
YUP that was a real disaster. And of course Bin Laden LOVED these politicians for their encouraging the terrorists who planted bombs on kids to explode when reaching for candy from US troops! Yea that was his plan all along to get these Idiots to endorse the terrorists by making statements like these which were replayed thousands of times by a compliant MSM that hated Bush and the fact that 28 million people were freed!


You really have to be so out of touch with reality to ever think terrorists would NOT take these statements to recruit more terrorists!

Yep he wanted to get the US involved in a long drawn out war of occupation like the Soviet Union did in the 80's. He didn't understand how vast our resource were compared to the Soviet Union. We were not bleed dry like they were. However by destroying Iraq and opening it's borders the region seems to be on the verge of a wider conflict.

So terrorist take out of context quotes from politicians and make shit up about them. Is that some kind of a confession?

It explains how come the war was won in less then 6 weeks but because sympathizers like you and these traitors ENCOURAGED terrorism while the MSM bashing Bush pushed these
stories so often people like you believed them!
YOU tell me are you not at least glad that 2.7 million children did starve to death as they would have if Saddam were still in power today?
Maybe you should talk to Iraqis like this guy did..

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.

"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ...
Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves.
Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq.
And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

Now you tell me if Iraqis would still like the GDP they "enjoyed" In 2002 (Under Saddam) of $802 per person
in 2012 per person $4,600...a GDP/capita growth rate averaged 47% per year over the 10 years !

But you DON"T want them to prosper. YOU wanted them to suffer with the drill/plier wielding dictator who trade oil for food and built palaces... YOU were happy with that right??

 

[Mojo2]

George HW was right.
The Sunni-Shiite civil war has spread beyond Iraq's borders. George HW listened to the experts, it's too bad "W" didn't. The result is something bad got even worse.

You would never be chosen to lead anything more than a Kindergarden class.

Why do i say this?

Because you can't imagine the far worse consequences that W sought to avoid by invading.

Hell, you can't even recognize the benefits we derived from the invasion.

Lack of intelligence. Lack of imagination. Lack of gratitude.

You're a triple threat.

Go home and put on your Dunce Cap.

Speaking of dunces,,,,,,,.
What could have gotten worse in the region than is already happening? Please explain.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ry-s-leaders-were-leading-us.html#post8477031

 

[Mojo2]

Here you go Mojo, another study done by experts for you to digest.
Al Qaeda in Transition: Dangers and Opportunities
AHSG Publications | The Aspen Institute

No one is denying that, kiwifruit.

All I am saying is that America and Iraq and others as well, have "bought" the Iraq invasion. (As in Colin Powell's words of caution, "you break it, you've bought it.") Now it's about time, don't you think, to start looking for the benefits that came from what we bought?

You never were without gasoline were you? You've been able to continue driving using affordable petrol, right?

The world never faced a global economic crisis, did it?

You didn't know anyone who died over there did you? Being untouched by a personal war loss is not as likely if U.S. troops had been needed to help stop a regional conflagration.

We're still only referring to areas within Iraq's borders that were battle fields, right? I mean, it never went regional, right?

There weren't any nuclear detonations or widespread uses of WMD's were there?

So far, the Islamists are still alone in declaring outright war on the West. There has been no outbreak of global Holy War, right?

And the brutal reign of Saddam WAS terminated, wasn't it?

And how many millions of Iraqis have now tasted freedom and liberty who never had before?

Fuckin ingrate. I'll bet you NEVER gave thanks for the wonderful things that happened AND DIDN'T HAPPEN because oif GWB's actions.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ry-s-leaders-were-leading-us.html#post8477031

 

[Mojo2]

Al-qaeda Uses Iraq As Tool To Replenish Depleted Ranks
WASHINGTON -- The American invasion and occupation of Iraq has provided al-Qaeda with a powerful propaganda tool in its holy war against the West, injecting new energy into the worldwide network even though many of its key operatives are in jail or dead, its top leadership is on the run and its sources of money are shrinking, according to international security analysts.
While exhorting Muslims to turn Iraq into a new anti-American battleground, the network has staged spectacularly bloody bombings in neighboring Turkey and Saudi Arabia in hopes of undermining their pro-U.S. governments and demonstrating that it remains a dangerous force, analysts say.
Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and related groups have used Web sites, videos and publications throughout the Muslim world to seek new warriors, proclaiming their message that Islam itself is under threat from the United States and that the region's governments are powerless to defend it.
"Iraq is a rallying cause for al-Qaeda -- it's allowed them to attract new recruits," said Kenneth Katzman, a terrorism specialist at the Congressional Research Service, the think tank for the House and Senate. "This was an organization that was under enormous pressure. Iraq has put new wind in its sails, definitely."
Al-qaeda Uses Iraq As Tool To Replenish Depleted Ranks - Orlando Sentinel

Yes, things really turned out great!

No one says that but you.

I say that things aren't as bad as they COULD have been.

In the world of global politics and life or death decisions things aren't always like they are in films or video games with a clear cut good guy and bad guy or 100% victory against an evil foe who is 100% vanquished.

In the real world you have situations like this.

Saddam is no longer killing his own people (btw, he was killing them in numbers that FAAAR outnumber the lives lost on 9/11!).

Saddam was not able to use WMD's against Saudi Arabia or Israel or our troops. And it makes little difference that he didn't have the WMD's. We couldn't have known the truth about it at the time. He bluffed the world into believing HE MIGHT have them. And that stood as a threat as real as if he'd paraded ICBM's under the Swords of Qādisīyah، and Hands of Victory in central Baghdad!

Millions upon millions of Iraqis who were subjects of Saddam's cruelty and tyrannical despotism who looked forward only to a lifetime of fear and dictatorial rule are now able to enjoy what you have...FREEDOM.

Israel did not trigger an all out Middle East war that might have led to a nuclear detonation and could have started a global Holy War.

America and the free world never went without the oil we need to live on a daily basis.

Our global trading partners never went without oil, either. And they were able to avoid economic disaster and societal chaos.

And there's more than that, too.

All I'm saying is that when you tally up the score, always remember to count not only the negatives of the invasion, but the positives as well.

 

[BlindBoo]

Right! Bush played right into Bin Laden's hands right?
No mind there were 28 million people freed from a drill/plier wielding dictator that used oil money for palaces while 2.7 million would have starved!
YUP that was a real disaster. And of course Bin Laden LOVED these politicians for their encouraging the terrorists who planted bombs on kids to explode when reaching for candy from US troops! Yea that was his plan all along to get these Idiots to endorse the terrorists by making statements like these which were replayed thousands of times by a compliant MSM that hated Bush and the fact that 28 million people were freed!


You really have to be so out of touch with reality to ever think terrorists would NOT take these statements to recruit more terrorists!

Yep he wanted to get the US involved in a long drawn out war of occupation like the Soviet Union did in the 80's. He didn't understand how vast our resource were compared to the Soviet Union. We were not bleed dry like they were. However by destroying Iraq and opening it's borders the region seems to be on the verge of a wider conflict.

So terrorist take out of context quotes from politicians and make shit up about them. Is that some kind of a confession?

It explains how come the war was won in less then 6 weeks but because sympathizers like you and these traitors ENCOURAGED terrorism while the MSM bashing Bush pushed these
stories so often people like you believed them!
YOU tell me are you not at least glad that 2.7 million children did starve to death as they would have if Saddam were still in power today?
Maybe you should talk to Iraqis like this guy did..

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.

"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ...
Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves.
Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq.
And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

Now you tell me if Iraqis would still like the GDP they "enjoyed" In 2002 (Under Saddam) of $802 per person
in 2012 per person $4,600...a GDP/capita growth rate averaged 47% per year over the 10 years !

But you DON"T want them to prosper. YOU wanted them to suffer with the drill/plier wielding dictator who trade oil for food and built palaces... YOU were happy with that right??

Not only do you take a stab at rewriting history, it appears you believe your lies.

The MSM was completely on board with the invasion, you might say they were in-bed-with the military. Hell MSNBC even fired one of the wars opponents. It wasn't until the occupation became completely FUBAR did the MSM begin to complain and challenge President Bushes policies there. And rightly so. If he had not been forced to change paths the war would have been lost.

The US should never have supported Saddam in the first place, considering what he did when he took power. The support Raygun and Bush gave him (Favor trading status) not only allow him to produce advanced chemical and biological weapons but also allow him to start a Manhattan Project style nuclear Bomb program. Furthermore the technology he was allow to purchase from the US and our allies helped him to brutally control the Iraqi population.