Obama Admits Administration Failure: Says Overestimated Iraq Army, Underestimated I S I S

[ogibillm]

Jup, this admin screwed itself as did the Bush administrations because of confirmation bias and false intelligence assessments. At least heavy combat units are not going to be American. Doesn't matter what says Dempsey et al. Either the Iraqis, the Kurds, and the Turks step out, or we will step out.

Great DEM talking point you pathetic POS liar who claims you're not a Dem.

So the people who die in "light" units aren't important????

You've been cornered, FAKEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

the iraqis count. but at least we don't have to do the ground fighting for them this time. hopefully.

You' so gullible.

i prefer the term 'optimistic'

we don't need to go back.

 

[Plasmaball]

We didn't know how maliki would react when we pulled out. That he would try to consolidate power with lackeys.

Bush picked an unknown and thus when maliki got his chance he took it. Would maliki had done this if Obama hadn't pulled out the advisors? Maybe but most likely not.

What you're saying is absolutely not true, Plasma.

We also knew how Maliki was going to act if we pulled completely out.

Anyone telling you different doesn't know what they're talking about.

Those of us that had to spend a lot of time negotiating with Iraqis knew how fragile arrangements were with even people of great integrity. We knew by leaving that we couldn't help sure that wobbly-ness up.

I'm going off your PBS Frontline link you gave that I watched the full episode.
We didn't know who Maliki was when Bushed picked him, this we didn't know what he would do when we pulled out.

You fed me the info econ...you

First of all, I was pretty sure I caveated the first time I posted it that I didn't agree with all of it. I agreed with it at the broad brush level.


When people say we dint' know ANYTHING about Maliki....come on you know that doesn't pass smell test because once someone rises, you at least start ascertaining their reputation. What's meant by that is that he was little known at a national level.

See I think you guys are locking on to words used in those documentaries, or things you read, that are sometimes literal and sometimes figurative.

And no, it's not true that Bush went and found him. He rose within the Shia Political community to where THEY wanted him to be one of maybe a few to be THEIR rep.

Bush picked virtual unknown and it came back to bite them.
Maybe a few? They had nobody and Maliki was in exile I believe from iran.
Virtual unknown which means he really wasn't a player at all. They didn't even have a file on him.

You can dismiss it based on your own opinion all you like, but these are the facts of issue. You want to dismiss them because it doesn't fit your narrative then that's your deal.

This is an honest exchange. We have to nail down what each of us is meaning by the semantics.

None of them were "players." But there were a handful of the "non players" that Bush looked at. None were great. The incumbent PM, Jaafari, was an unmitigated disaster. He had to find someone that wasn't as bad as Jaafari. And yes, there was a file on him.

But we're splitting hairs on this. What is your bigger point? When you say we didn't now what he'd do......I see all this in shades of grey, and many of you are locking on to black and white definitions.

Of course we had gotten to know Maliki somewhat in those few years we worked closely with his administration. We were constantly offering balance to his pro-Shia stances.

The overall point is that while Obama is at fault for removing the aids to Maliki, you can't complain that he wasnt a mind reader and knew that Maliki would force out anyone who wasnt loyal to him and turn the army into a pyramid scheme.
You want to blame Obama for pulling troops and it turning into chaos? Ok he gets some blame. You want to blame obama for the actions of Maliki because we didnt know what he would do once he pulled aids and troops out? Nope not going to fly.

 

[Plasmaball]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

i disagree. I think if we put boots on the ground we will have more than just americans. You will have other nations as well. You have England, America, France and now Russia saying this needs to stop.
Granted i know how the right would play out the Russians i am curious to see how they would handle this.
The right would naturally blame obama as being weak and support Putins actions, because they hate obama that much,

 

[JakeStarkey]

None of that will work if we do not have a viable Arab ground presence.

 

[Plasmaball]

None of that will work if we do not have a viable Arab ground presence.

i didnt say it would work, just what i could see happening.

 

[BluesLegend]

Ah Obama admits its all somebody else's fault...again. /sarcasm

 

[EconChick]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

LOL, Fakey, you are a sub-human being with no character, no integrity, and no brains. No one on any side respects you.

You talk so far out your ass, you can't even come close to the truth. No one's analysis is as useless as yours. It's not even analysis.....it's just hot air.

The Iraqis and Kurds aren't going to carry the ground game, you stupid, moron.

I've been right on all of it, and haven't been run off anything. You keep confusing your fantasies with reality.

 

[EconChick]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

LOL, Fakey, you are a sub-human being with no character, no integrity, and no brains. No one on any side respects you.

You talk so far out your ass, you can't even come close to the truth. No one's analysis is as useless as yours. It's not even analysis.....it's just hot air.

The Iraqis and Kurds aren't going to carry the ground game, you stupid, moron.

I've been right on all of it, and haven't been run off anything. You keep confusing your fantasies with reality.

 

[EconChick]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

 

[Papageorgio]

You realize of course that Obama got this false information from American Intel right? He listened to experts.

So? You fuckers never cut Bush slack for that, in fact the Intel was even coming from the Clinton administration and John Kerry.

Even Obama criticized Bush and now you want us to cut him some slack? 13 years later and Obama and Kerry both trust the intelligence that failed 13 years ago?

You sound pretty ******* stupid.

 

[EconChick]

Moderator, please delete the last two duplicates of a post. Keep running into problems and can't delete them on my end. Thx.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Obama's trying to hang ISIS missteps on the intelligence community, but the IC warned Obama about ISIS a year ago.

Now he's on 60 Minutes admitting his Administration's failure.....after all, Director Clapper is part of HIS Administration..... about a number of missteps including underestimating ISIS and overestimating the Iraqi Army.

But the IC isn't going to put up with allowing Obama to hang that lie around their necks. It was his stupidity, not theirs.



Eye Opener President Obama admits he underestimated ISIS - Videos - CBS News


Eye Opener: President Obama admits he underestimated ISIS

We need GWB back, he never made a mistake, and NEVER admitted to a mistake. I can't wait until the next election, maybe we'll get Romney or the idiot Governor of Texas, then when anything goes awry and Obama is blamed we can all respond with OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBAMMMMMMMMMMMMMA.

 

[1776]

Obama being a dumbfuck is too stupid to realize most people know he ignored the military and CIA warnings about leaving Iraq too soon, but he thinks he can blame them for his mistakes.

Only the shit-eaters like we see on this board believe his lies and finger-pointing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

LOL, Fakey, you are a sub-human being with no character, no integrity, and no brains. No one on any side respects you.

You talk so far out your ass, you can't even come close to the truth. No one's analysis is as useless as yours. It's not even analysis.....it's just hot air.

The Iraqis and Kurds aren't going to carry the ground game, you stupid, moron.

I've been right on all of it, and haven't been run off anything. You keep confusing your fantasies with reality.

You have been wrong on all of it.

No one respects you, no one believes you.

You make these pronouncements and even conservatives and reactionaries tell you to step off.

If the Kurds and Iraqis won't carry the ground game, then we sure won't.

Keep up with your fantasies, and you will be run out of this thread as well.

 

[EconChick]

What you're saying is absolutely not true, Plasma.

We also knew how Maliki was going to act if we pulled completely out.

Anyone telling you different doesn't know what they're talking about.

Those of us that had to spend a lot of time negotiating with Iraqis knew how fragile arrangements were with even people of great integrity. We knew by leaving that we couldn't help sure that wobbly-ness up.

I'm going off your PBS Frontline link you gave that I watched the full episode.
We didn't know who Maliki was when Bushed picked him, this we didn't know what he would do when we pulled out.

You fed me the info econ...you

First of all, I was pretty sure I caveated the first time I posted it that I didn't agree with all of it. I agreed with it at the broad brush level.


When people say we dint' know ANYTHING about Maliki....come on you know that doesn't pass smell test because once someone rises, you at least start ascertaining their reputation. What's meant by that is that he was little known at a national level.

See I think you guys are locking on to words used in those documentaries, or things you read, that are sometimes literal and sometimes figurative.

And no, it's not true that Bush went and found him. He rose within the Shia Political community to where THEY wanted him to be one of maybe a few to be THEIR rep.

Bush picked virtual unknown and it came back to bite them.
Maybe a few? They had nobody and Maliki was in exile I believe from iran.
Virtual unknown which means he really wasn't a player at all. They didn't even have a file on him.

You can dismiss it based on your own opinion all you like, but these are the facts of issue. You want to dismiss them because it doesn't fit your narrative then that's your deal.

This is an honest exchange. We have to nail down what each of us is meaning by the semantics.

None of them were "players." But there were a handful of the "non players" that Bush looked at. None were great. The incumbent PM, Jaafari, was an unmitigated disaster. He had to find someone that wasn't as bad as Jaafari. And yes, there was a file on him.

But we're splitting hairs on this. What is your bigger point? When you say we didn't now what he'd do......I see all this in shades of grey, and many of you are locking on to black and white definitions.

Of course we had gotten to know Maliki somewhat in those few years we worked closely with his administration. We were constantly offering balance to his pro-Shia stances.

The overall point is that while Obama is at fault for removing the aids to Maliki, you can't complain that he wasnt a mind reader and knew that Maliki would force out anyone who wasnt loyal to him and turn the army into a pyramid scheme.
You want to blame Obama for pulling troops and it turning into chaos? Ok he gets some blame. You want to blame obama for the actions of Maliki because we didnt know what he would do once he pulled aids and troops out? Nope not going to fly.

It wasn't hard to figure out that Maliki was going to lean heavily pro-Shia. That's not so hard to imagine because he is a Shiite. Sunnis leans heavily Sunni. Kurds lean heavily Kurdish.

It's like me predicting that Alabama's going to get hit with a Cat 5 hurricane and after it gets hit with the Cat 5, you telling me I didn't specify it would wipe out Montgomery but not wipe out suburban Montgomery.

 

[deltex1]

Quick people, Marie Barf is on CNN with wolf


A supreme babbler. Should have been a carny barker.

 

[EconChick]

As she talks to herself in the mirror.

EC, we are all aware of what a flake you are here.

Post honestly and you will be fine.

Continue with the nonsense, and you will continued to deal with the fall out.

tis what it is.

LOL, I'm the one that's been right on all this shit, not you blubber boy.

Obama keeps spiraling downward shit for brains. You know it. We know it.
Everybody knows it. You can pretend all you want, LMAO.

And now that he's finally been forced to admit it on 60 Minutes, it's really gonna get rough for him AND idiots like you. Just STFU, no one listens to you.

You have not been right on any of this and have no cred.

You got run off your other OP because of your nonsense.

And that is you you are talking to in the mirror.

The Iraqis and the Kurds will carry the ground game or we will come home.

As simple as that.

LOL, Fakey, you are a sub-human being with no character, no integrity, and no brains. No one on any side respects you.

You talk so far out your ass, you can't even come close to the truth. No one's analysis is as useless as yours. It's not even analysis.....it's just hot air.

The Iraqis and Kurds aren't going to carry the ground game, you stupid, moron.

I've been right on all of it, and haven't been run off anything. You keep confusing your fantasies with reality.

You have been wrong on all of it.

No one respects you, no one believes you.

You make these pronouncements and even conservatives and reactionaries tell you to step off.

If the Kurds and Iraqis won't carry the ground game, then we sure won't.

Keep up with your fantasies, and you will be run out of this thread as well.

STFU, moron. I've never been run off a thread. I've run YOUR sloven, beached whale ass off lots of threads. And if you'd been man enough to back your mouth up with money every time you tried your slime tactic, I would've won lots of money to put in the USMB kitty.

But we all know you're not man enough to back anything up.

The comments you make about these Middle East issues makes you look like a lobotomized rodent ....either that or mentally unstable. You're incapable of real debate.

Dude when you throw the basketball, you can't even get the ball inside the court, dufus.

Your analysis is not even close. NOT EVEN CLOSE. LOL

 

[JakeStarkey]

EC was een driven before us weeping and stumbling because of her stupidities.

EC simply opines, then whines when we ask for evidence.

She knows fully well that if the Iraqis and Kurds don't fight, we can't have a military presence in the ME.

Her hero GWB demonstrated that for us.

Specialist 4s hate being associated with her.

 

[deltex1]

The new spin is that the administration misjudged the "will to fight" as possessed by the ISIS "folks". As Marie Barf said."..it's very hard to judge another persons will..." evidently even after they have routed your army and kicked your ass for months. Where do we find these lying morons?

 

[deltex1]

EC was een driven before us weeping and stumbling because of her stupidities.

EC simply opines, then whines when we ask for evidence.

She knows fully well that if the Iraqis and Kurds don't fight, we can't have a military presence in the ME.

Her hero GWB demonstrated that for us.

Specialist 4s hate being associated with her.

Jake taunts from her wheelchair after being severely beaten by her six year old granddaughter. Lmbbffao!