Now they are coming after you if your family does not get the vaccine

[j-mac]

Would we think differently next year if deaths jumped to 600,000?



Nobody is against treatments.

Need I remind you of Bidens pronouncement to withhold these drugs from red states, or the hub bub from progressives about hydroxy chloroquine?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You, sir, are an ancient artifact. I have been married 39 years and had no blood tests to get married in Alabama even!

Well it is Alabama, they were just glad you were not related, assuming you were not

 

[Rigby5]

And it is breaking the law.

It is NOT a valid statement to tell someone they can simply avoid the mandates and the repercussion if they just break the law instead.

Like I said, I can shoot you in the face if we are abandoning law in general. I can buy, sell or use cocaine. I can burn down my neighbors house. All actions I can easily take. However, we say we cannot do those things and certainly do not advocate them to sole a problem because they are illegal.

There is absolutely nothing on the vaccine cards saying they are regulated, government property, or anything at all like that, so then they are not illegal to duplicate at will. This nurse actually stole them, otherwise could not have been prosecuted.

 

[Smokin' OP]

One day when you get a job and earn enough that you are forced to pay the fair share for the mooching deadbeats you will understand.

Sure like your tax cheating, mooching, orange dear leader?

Trump paid $750 in income taxes in 2015.
Paid $750 in income taxes in 2016.

I paid just under that in the last quarter.

September 26, 2016
“The only years that anybody’s ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax,” Clinton said.

Trump quickly retorted: “That makes me smart.”

Later, when Clinton told Trump was that “maybe ... you haven’t paid any federal income tax for a lot of years,” the real estate mogul, who claims to be worth up to $10 billion, said that he was a better steward for his money than the government.

 

[FA_Q2]

What I mean is I have never seen anyone at the start of a new year go "we predict we will lose x number of people this year".

Comparing data after the fact to previous data is not a prediction. There is a difference

You mean like this study.

Heart Disease and Cancer Deaths — Trends and Projections in the United States, 1969–2020

Preventing Chronic Disease (PCD) is a peer-reviewed electronic journal established by the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. PCD provides an open exchange of information and knowledge among researchers, practitioners, policy makers, and others who strive to...

www.cdc.gov

There are thousands of others just like it and it very well does predict X people will die out to year 2020 which is exactly where we get the projected death rates. And there are studies like this for every risk factor. So, what is it that you are looking for that is different? I repeat, ALL predictions are based off previous year trends. ALL of them. Predicting where a baseball is going to land after you throw it is based off of previous observations of where it landed the last time you threw it.

 

[The Original Tree]

Don't get mad. I heard on the internet that beating your head against the wall cures baldness. Be sure to do it really hard to get the full effect.

Is that why The DemNazis all have nice hair?

 

[The Original Tree]

I caught COVID after I had the vaccine in May at the state fair in August. I then gave it to my wife who had never been outside the house at all that week. She was also vaccinated in May 2021.

How do you explain that?

The purpose of the vaccine is to keep spreading COVID so that DemNazi Fascists can keep America under Martial Law Light.

 

[occupied]

Is that why The DemNazis all have nice hair?

You seem to believe ludicrous things you see on the internet. It was worth a shot.

 

[The Original Tree]

You seem to believe ludicrous things you see on the internet. It was worth a shot.

It's never worth a shot if it gives you a clot. I'll be a friend and come help unplug the life support for you when that clot reaches your brain. Seems like it may have already happened.

Vax Mandates are just more of The Eternally Racist DemNazi Party finding another way to re-implement Jim Crowe Laws!

Now you are racist too.

 

[occupied]

It's never worth a shot if it gives you a clot. I'll be a friend and come help unplug the life support for you when that clot reaches your brain. Seems like it may have already happened.

Vax Mandates are just more of The Eternally Racist DemNazi Party finding another way to re-implement Jim Crowe Laws!

Now you are racist too.

I had both shots months ago and I'm just fine just like millions of other people. Meanwhile antivax evangelists like you keep dying and it just keeps getting funnier.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You mean like this study.

Heart Disease and Cancer Deaths — Trends and Projections in the United States, 1969–2020

Preventing Chronic Disease (PCD) is a peer-reviewed electronic journal established by the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. PCD provides an open exchange of information and knowledge among researchers, practitioners, policy makers, and others who strive to...

www.cdc.gov

There are thousands of others just like it and it very well does predict X people will die out to year 2020 which is exactly where we get the projected death rates. And there are studies like this for every risk factor. So, what is it that you are looking for that is different? I repeat, ALL predictions are based off previous year trends. ALL of them. Predicting where a baseball is going to land after you throw it is based off of previous observations of where it landed the last time you threw it.

That is an extremely poor example because of the physics involved. There is no physics in whether people die of the flu or other type of disease.

 

[FA_Q2]

Don't get mad. I heard on the internet that beating your head against the wall cures baldness. Be sure to do it really hard to get the full effect.

That is an extremely poor example because of the physics involved. There is no physics in whether people die of the flu or other type of disease.

No, its not. Where do you think the physics comes from?

Observations in the way the ball acts. Those observations are broken down to mathematical models that predict the outcome of the balls location. Because the ball is a very simple and basic system, the calculation is extremely precise (but not perfect). Because human populations are not simple the math is much more ambiguous but those projections are just as mathematically based as the ball is. There actually is just as much physics in weather or not you are going to die from the flu, it is just far beyond our information gathering capabilities to make a prediction of that scale on physics. Statistics is much simpler and it is pretty darn effective.

 

[Rigby5]

I had both shots months ago and I'm just fine just like millions of other people. Meanwhile antivax evangelists like you keep dying and it just keeps getting funnier.

How do you know you are "fine"?
These mRNA injections program your T-cells forever.
They could cause a deadly allergic or autoimmune response a decade later.

 

[Rigby5]

That is an extremely poor example because of the physics involved. There is no physics in whether people die of the flu or other type of disease.

Not so sure about that.
Once you have the R0 infection rate, the lethality, seasonal influences, inherent immunity rate, vaccination rate, acquired immunity rate, etc., you should be able to do some reasonable predictions. The main problem would come from changes, like variants, breakthrough infections, overly optimistic vaccine claims, unknown side effects, etc.

 

[occupied]

How do you know you are "fine"|
These mRNA injections program your T-cells forever.
They could cause a deadly allergic or autoimmune response a decade later.

I'm a nearly 60 year-old man with some lung issues. There is a very real possibility covid would fuck me up for life. Every disease any of us have ever faced causes permanent changes to our immune system so that it may recognize the pathogen in question next time. The vaccine does the same thing by looking like a disease to the immune system, just like every other vaccine. The only thing different is the way it does it without having to inject killed or weakened virus.

 

[Rigby5]

I'm a nearly 60 year-old man with some lung issues. There is a very real possibility covid would fuck me up for life. Every disease any of us have ever faced causes permanent changes to our immune system so that it may recognize the pathogen in question next time. The vaccine does the same thing by looking like a disease to the immune system, just like every other vaccine. The only thing different is the way it does it without having to inject killed or weakened virus.

Wrong.
That is the whole point of the objection to these mRNA injections.
They do NOT at all look like a disease to the immune system.
They are NOT like any other vaccine.
I do not know for sure how they REALLY work, but the CDC site claims what they do is get into your cells somehow, and allow your own ribosomes to translate the injection mRNA into instructions for your cells to start growing spike proteins.
That then causes your immune system to potentially target spike proteins in the future.
But again, spike proteins are NOT viruses, and your own exosomes have to depend upon spike proteins.

This the CDC site I got that from:
{...
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

1. First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
2. Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
3. At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

...}

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

To me that sounds crazy dangerous.

 

[occupied]

Wrong.
That is the whole point of the objection to these mRNA injections.
They do NOT at all look like a disease to the immune system.
They are NOT like any other vaccine.
I do not know for sure how they REALLY work, but the CDC site claims what they do is get into your cells somehow, and allow your own ribosomes to translate the injection mRNA into instructions for your cells to start growing spike proteins.
That then causes your immune system to potentially target spike proteins in the future.
But again, spike proteins are NOT viruses, and your own exosomes have to depend upon spike proteins.

This the CDC site I got that from:
{...
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

1. First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
2. Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
3. At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.

...}

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

To me that sounds crazy dangerous.

Don't take it then. I do wonder how you would feel if you got it and it killed someone you care about. If I brought that home to my wife and she died I would have to crawl into the coffin with her. It's just not something I could deal with.

 

[Rigby5]

Don't take it then. I do wonder how you would feel if you got it and it killed someone you care about. If I brought that home to my wife and she died I would have to crawl into the coffin with her. It's just not something I could deal with.

There really is not much choice once a choice is made by the politicians/CDC/etc.
You can't have half the people using one strategy and the rest something else.
So I took the Moderna, but 2nd shot almost killed me, sick for 3 weeks, not taking any "booster".

But that is not the point.
Now it is too late, but we should never have gone down the path of "flattening the curve".
That was never a viable option.
We only had 2 choices.
We could either have done full quarantine right away, or we could have deliberately infect 50% of the population under 40.
Both of those would have ended it last March.
But instead we went with "flattening the curve", which is guaranteed to result in the largest possible number of deaths, by deliberately preventing herd immunity.

 

[occupied]

There really is not much choice once a choice is made by the politicians/CDC/etc.
You can't have half the people using one strategy and the rest something else.
So I took the Moderna, but 2nd shot almost killed me, sick for 3 weeks, not taking any "booster".

But that is not the point.
Now it is too late, but we should never have gone down the path of "flattening the curve".
That was never a viable option.
We only had 2 choices.
We could either have done full quarantine right away, or we could have deliberately infect 50% of the population under 40.
Both of those would have ended it last March.
But instead we went with "flattening the curve", which is guaranteed to result in the largest possible number of deaths, by deliberately preventing herd immunity.

So you're one of those.

 

[Rigby5]

So you're one of those.

One of which?
What are you talking about?